CAN YOU HAVE GOD'S GRACE WITHOUT GOD'S LAW?

[YeshuaFan]

Why only the 10 commandments? What about the rest of God’s commandments?

The 10 Commandments express to us the Moral aspect of the law of God to us....

 

[BNR32FAN]

The 10 Commandments express to us the Moral aspect of the law of God to us....

What’s the difference? Is a commandment of God any less important if it is not dealing with morality?

 

[SkyWriting]

We could not accept Jesus as our Savior without grace. Grace enables us to repent and turn to God.

Did no one in the Old Testament turned to God for forgiveness?

 

[SkyWriting]

The 10 Commandments express to us the Moral aspect of the law of God to us....

Many people do not count just ten.
The Law: All 613 Commandments

 

[W2L]

I have, why would you assume otherwise? What charge to you make against me? What sin do you accuse me of?

My apologies. My comment was a bit of frustration and poor eyesight. Its good to be humbled however. Praise the Lord. God is good.

 

[SkyWriting]

But do you accept the commands of the Lord, given by Himself and His apostles, as the law we are suppose to follow?

That's a mystery for you to solve, I guess, if you think you need to know.
I know...you can read my posting history to solve your mystery.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Did no one in the Old Testament turned to God for forgiveness?

Yes they sure did. I believe they also received grace.

 

[SkyWriting]

As i said before, im referring to the commands given by Jesus and His apostles. You deny those commands it seems, in favor of mans law, but its based on your misunderstanding, not biblical truth. Remember the great commission? Jesus sent the apostles to teach us to observe all that he commanded.

I don't follow the great commission. Evangelism is not one of my gifts. And evidently they messed up a lot of teaching, becasue the letters went out to messed up churches.

 

[W2L]

That's a mystery for you to solve, I guess, if you think you need to know.
I know...you can read my posting history to solve your mystery.

The commands of the Lord are not bad for us, but meant for our good.

 

[W2L]

I don't follow the great commission. Evangelism is not one of my gifts. And evidently they messed up a lot of teaching, becasue the letters went out to messed up churches.

I wasn't referring to evangelism. I was referring to the fact that the apostles were sent to teach us, and that the commands of the apostles are Gods law for us. This very law is what teaches you to obey mans law. So you're following Gods law. But are you following all of it?

 

[SkyWriting]

I wasn't referring to evangelism. I was referring to the fact that the apostles were sent to teach us, and that the commands of the apostles are Gods law for us. This very law is what teaches you to obey mans law. So you're following Gods law. But are you following all of it?

If I was, I would not need forgiveness from my sins. All of Jesus suffering for nothing.
So no, of course not. I even exceed the speed limit on purpose if I'm late leaving for work. Thank God for grace, becasue my boss is not so forgiving.

 

[YeshuaFan]

What’s the difference? Is a commandment of God any less important if it is not dealing with morality?

The 10 Commandments of God reveal to us the Holiness of God....

 

[SkyWriting]

The 10 Commandments of God reveal to us the Holiness of God....

No, these do:
The Law: All 613 Commandments

 

[YeshuaFan]

Many people do not count just ten.
The Law: All 613 Commandments

Those were man made ones though!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yes they sure did. I believe they also received grace.

They were saved the same way we are today, as they believed in the coming Messiah, while we believe in Him who came!

 

[W2L]

If I was, I would not need forgiveness from my sins. All of Jesus suffering for nothing.
So no, of course not. I even exceed the speed limit on purpose if I'm late leaving for work.

You said Gods law is obsolete and that God has now given us mans law to rule us. Thats the part that i cant agree with. You know im not referring to any OT law but only the NT commands. Your resistance to those NT commands is a bit disturbing i guess..

 

[SkyWriting]

Those were man made ones though!

Sheesh, make me work today much?

Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe. (Exodus 20:2)Keep the Sabbath Day holy by making preparation in advance. (Exodus 20:8-11)
Show honor and respect to parents. (Exodus 20:12)
Do not murder. (Exodus 20:13)
Do not trust in any power but Yahweh. (Exodus 20:3)
Do not make images of the gods (false gods) to be worshiped (Exodus 20:4)
Do not make gods (false gods) out of anything. (Exodus 20:23)
Do not bow down to any false god. (Exodus 20:5)
Do not take Yahweh's Name and bring it to nothing by hiding Yahweh's Name. (Exodus 20:7)
Do not steal. (Exodus 20:15)
Do not covet another man's possessions. (Exodus 20:17)
Do not give false testimony in a lawsuit or investigation. (Exodus 20:16)
Do not work on the Sabbath. (Exodus 20:10, 31:15)

 

[YeshuaFan]

The commands of the Lord are not bad for us, but meant for our good.

They lead and direct our ways...

 

[YeshuaFan]

Sheesh, make me work today much?

Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe. (Exodus 20:2)Keep the Sabbath Day holy by making preparation in advance. (Exodus 20:8-11)
Show honor and respect to parents. (Exodus 20:12)
Do not murder. (Exodus 20:13)
Do not trust in any power but Yahweh. (Exodus 20:3)
Do not make images of the gods (false gods) to be worshiped (Exodus 20:4)
Do not make gods (false gods) out of anything. (Exodus 20:23)
Do not bow down to any false god. (Exodus 20:5)
Do not take Yahweh's Name and bring it to nothing by hiding Yahweh's Name. (Exodus 20:7)
Do not steal. (Exodus 20:15)
Do not covet another man's possessions. (Exodus 20:17)
Do not give false testimony in a lawsuit or investigation. (Exodus 20:16)
Do not work on the Sabbath. (Exodus 20:10, 31:15)

Just the 10 covered all of that!

 

[SkyWriting]

You said Gods law is obsolete

It's something I discovered about a week ago while battling with a "person of Hate". I don't recall if it was hatred for women in authority or of same sex marriage, or abortion issues.

Hebrews 8:6
Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises.

Hebrews 8:8
But God found fault with the people and said: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Hebrews 8:13
By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

and that God has now given us mans law to rule us. Thats the part that i cant agree with. You know im not referring to any OT law but only the NT commands. Your resistance to those NT commands is a bit disturbing i guess.

The great commission is not for me. Others have that gift.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

So if ones religious ideas are in opposition to the law, then they are misguided on God's requests for us.