Did God predestine the Fall?

[ToBeLoved]

Wait. I thought nobody deserves salvation. So how can it be a twisted perversion?

You really are yelling

“LOOK! There’s a squirrel “ to this conversation.

It’s a little sad

 

[Hammster]

Maybe you just can’t explain it well.

You already admitted that you disagree with Christ. I’m sure there’s not much I can say that you’ll agree with.

 

[Hammster]

You really are yelling

“LOOK! There’s a squirrel “ to this conversation.

It’s a little sad

I quoted you. In context.

 

[dad]

Now you are arguing directly against scripture.

Your interpretation of it. Where does it say we have the Holy Spirit before being saved, let alone the spirit being renewed?

 

[dad]

Because He’s chosen to.

One minute I have it wrong saying you deny free choice as a Calvinist, the next you are admitting you think some select few are chosen somehow, rather than choosing.

 

[MDC]

No one deserves what Jesus gave. So why pick out a select group of humans to bestow something they did not deserve onto?

That’s called mercy. Evidently you do believe some deserve Gods grace

 

[dad]

That’s called mercy. Evidently you do believe some deserve Gods grace

No, that is not called mercy at all, to select just a few rather than offer it to all men and leave the choice to them ('whosever will') is to unmercifully damn billions to hell, and unmercifully select seemingly random people to escape damnation.

He came for all men, and is no respecter of persons and has always left the choice up to men!

And no, I do not believe I deserve God's grace in any way! It was a gift.

 

[MDC]

No, that is not called mercy at all, to select just a few rather than offer it to all men and leave the choice to them ('whosever will') is to unmercifully damn billions to hell, and unmercifully select seemingly random people to escape damnation.

He came for all men, and is no respecter of persons and has always left the choice up to men!

And no, I do not believe I deserve God's grace in any way! It was a gift.

Then what you described is the opposite of mercy. And the evidence of someone who thinks God owes man a chance to be saved. Getting what you deserve is Gods wrath and judgement for your sin in hell. Getting what you don’t deserve is Gods mercy in Christ. Until you realize all that is owed to you is Gods wrath and judgement for your sin, then and only then by Gods grace, will you realize Gods gracious mercy in Christ

 

[Hammster]

Your interpretation of it. Where does it say we have the Holy Spirit before being saved, let alone the spirit being renewed?

In the passages I provided.

 

[Hammster]

One minute I have it wrong saying you deny free choice as a Calvinist, the next you are admitting you think some select few are chosen somehow, rather than choosing.

Both are true.

And the Bible says God chooses. There’s a reason believers are called the elect.

 

[Hammster]

no respecter of persons

You should look that up. I’m context. It means the opposite of what you apparently think.

 

[dad]

Then what you described is the opposite of mercy. And the evidence of someone who thinks God owes man a chance to be saved. Getting what you deserve is Gods wrath and judgement for your sin in hell. Getting what you don’t deserve is Gods mercy in Christ. Until you realize all that is owed to you is Gods wrath and judgement for your sin, then and only then by Gods grace, will you realize Gods gracious mercy in Christ

Whatever dude.

 

[dad]

You should look that up. I’m context. It means the opposite of what you apparently think.

Or...of what you think. Who knows?

 

[dad]

That’s called mercy. Evidently you do believe some deserve Gods grace

No, sending most people to hell, and selecting some few against their will is insane Nazism.

 

[dad]

Both are true.

And the Bible says God chooses. There’s a reason believers are called the elect.

No God does not choose we do. His choice was to make a way for us to chose, and when we do we are His chosen. Otherwise He died for nothing.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You already admitted that you disagree with Christ. I’m sure there’s not much I can say that you’ll agree with.

God said they would want to hear teaching that would tickle their ears.

It was so rare that 50 years ago no one ever heard of Calvinism. But people want to hear what makes them feel special, so of course their are preachers that will preach it.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Both are true.

And the Bible says God chooses. There’s a reason believers are called the elect.

God knowing beforehand doesn’t mean anything special. God knows the people who will reject Him too.

That’s what being omniscient is.

I just think people want to feel God chose them over someone else. It’s a psychological concept that people want to feel special.

People’s ego loves that. Tickling their ears as the Bible says.

 

[Hammster]

Or...of what you think. Who knows?

I know. And obviously you haven’t looked at the three times it’s used. But if you want to remain ignorant, so be it.

 

[Hammster]

No, sending most people to hell, and selecting some few against their will is insane Nazism.

I’m thankful. You should be, too.

 

[Hammster]

No God does not choose we do. His choice was to make a way for us to chose, and when we do we are His chosen. Otherwise He died for nothing.

So we chose, but we are the chosen? Wouldn’t that make us the choosers and Him the chosen?