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My apologies. Perhaps no walls in the world have ever been beneficial for protecting boarders. .

I'd ignore them, they think they get the slightest upper hand and go way over the line with it. One might expect a little class, as in a "think nothing of it, no big deal" but not with some.

See it's an insecurity thing, when people are wrong so often... they have to at lest pretend to make up for it with something like is happening here. ;)

Like a starving shark. :)
 
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Much of the border is impassable without great danger; no need for a barrier. Everyone knows this who is paying attention.

Uh huh. I've been trying to tell Trump supporters this for three years now. So, ok, we're in agreement, no CONCRETE AND REBAR Wall like Trump said he wanted during the campaign.

You know what's hilarious? When Trump was running I said that at some point, he'd ask for strategic fencing, we'd reinforce what was already there, and he'd just claim his concrete and rebar wall was built. Followed, of course, by his worshippers parroting it.
 
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I am unaware of any "Experts on the ground". How about we go with people with actual expertise that have studied the issue in depth and have a good understanding of the pros and cons pf various approaches?

That's been done ad nauseam, like most of our other problems that are still in political gridlock.
 
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Uh huh. I've been trying to tell Trump supporters this for three years now. So, ok, we're in agreement, no CONCRETE AND REBAR Wall like Trump said he wanted during the campaign.

You know what's hilarious? When Trump was running I said that at some point, he'd ask for strategic fencing, we'd reinforce what was already there, and he'd just claim his concrete and rebar wall was built. Followed, of course, by his worshippers parroting it.

As a Trump supporter I also forwarded (on these very, globally watched, forums) my idea for an effective, low cost, barrier.
 
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That's been done ad nauseam, like most of our other problems that are still in political gridlock.

I fail to see how moving on to poor solutions to difficult problem is an improvement on gridlock. :p
 
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I fail to see how moving on to poor solutions to difficult problem is an improvement on gridlock. :p

We should put up a test section (of my proposed barrier) and see what happens.
 
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Was it guns?

Guns in the hands of trained personnel, barbed wire, guard towers, spotlights, drones, guard dogs, night vision thingies, GPS tracking...the whole 'enchilada' (pun intended). ;)
 
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Knock yourself out. I hear gofundme is working well for getting cash for these kinds of things. :oldthumbsup:

We already have the resources available. The light just has to go on in the right heads. :confused: ...present state of thinking regarding the 'wall'.
 
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