Swamp Draining Status?

[LostMarbels]

Reconstructionist theonomy ain't gonna happen in America while we still have a Constitution.



Poll after poll shows this to be a falsehood.

Unfortunately for some they do not have anymore of a choice than the individuals that did not want the current issues imposed upon them. The pendulum is swinging right after haven gone as far left as it could.

 

[LostMarbels]

I guess I just don't care much about the things you listed. Except pedophilia, but there is not any kind of huge support for that from liberals. I have gay friends and I'm happy that have the right to marry if they choose. They, too, can live in an institution. I don't care if people want to have sex. That's their business, not mine. I avoid abortion talks. How is it a liberal agenda to break up families? Those families can stay together, it ain't my fault they aren't. Very few liberal argue for open borders, despite the fear-mongering on the right. I'm a liberal and I wouldn't want what you would describe as open borders. I just want border policy to be grounded on methods that work, not ones that do not work but make us feel good. That's stupid. Security theater is stupid.

Regardless of how either of us view these topics, if the globalists and the swamp are removed most of those topics will be remediated or dissolved entirely. People do not want it. If you remove those in office who do not actually represent the will of the people; there will be a dramatic shift towards conservatism.

A month ago during the midterms Liberals were gleefully praising the obstruction and delays to come. That is all that stands in the way of millions of Americans getting what they want. Just a couple of politicians.

 

[LoAmmi]

Regardless of how either of us view these topics, if the globalists and the swamp are removed most of those topics will be remediated or dissolved entirely. People do not want it. If you remove those in office who do not actually represent the will of the people; there will be a dramatic shift towards conservatism.

A month ago during the midterms Liberals were gleefully praising the obstruction and delays to come. That is all that stands in the way of millions of Americans getting what they want. Just a couple of politicians.

You've simply looked at the problems you see and have thrown the label "liberals" on it. That seems no different than the folks in the 1920s saw problems and threw the label "Jews" on them. There's no nuance for you. It's just liberals are all things bad.

 

[LostMarbels]

You've simply looked at the problems you see and have thrown the label "liberals" on it. That seems no different than the folks in the 1920s saw problems and threw the label "Jew" on them. There's no nuance for you. It's just liberals are all things bad.

Please, do tell... which of the topics I addressed are not a liberal political agenda and or talking point?

Homosexuality.

Abortion.

Open borders.

The dissolution of the nuclear family, one wife, one husband.

The debasement of the male role as the head of the family.

The attack on Christian ideals, and the bible.

The vast majority of conservative voters will vote against every one of those topics. If the leaders that are in place enforcing said ideals are removed from office this nation will drift right.

 

[LoAmmi]

Please, do tell... which of the topics I addressed are not a liberal political agenda and or talking point?

Homosexuality.

Homosexuality... what? That the people should have equal rights and protection under the law? Ok, sure. Liberals do believe people should have equal rights and protection under the law.

Abortion.

Liberals are pro-choice in general. So am I, in general. I don't believe I have the right to tell anybody what they can do with their body, including telling them they have to carry another human within them.

Open borders.

If you mean no borders at all, no, that's not part of mainstream liberal ideals. You will find fringe who believe that, but that isn't the normal view.

The dissolution of the nuclear family, one wife, one husband.

No, haven't seen this one as a liberal position. I may have missed a meeting.

The debasement of the male role as the head of the family.

People can do what they want in their families. But I don't believe the male should be the automatic head of a family. My wife and I do things together. I don't issue orders like a tinpot dictator.

The attack on Christian ideals, and the bible.

Depends. If you mean Christians no longer de facto get their way on everything anymore? Yes, and I'm happy for that. People deserve EQUAL protection. Anything else is usually nonsense.

The vast majority of conservative voters will vote against every one of those topics. If the leaders that are in place enforcing said ideals are removed from office this nation will drift right.

Ok... and if Conservative leaders were removed from office the nation would drift left.

 

[LostMarbels]

Homosexuality... what? That the people should have equal rights and protection under the law? Ok, sure. Liberals do believe people should have equal rights and protection under the law.

Liberals are pro-choice in general. So am I, in general. I don't believe I have the right to tell anybody what they can do with their body, including telling them they have to carry another human within them.

If you mean no borders at all, no, that's not part of mainstream liberal ideals. You will find fringe who believe that, but that isn't the normal view.

No, haven't seen this one as a liberal position. I may have missed a meeting.

People can do what they want in their families. But I don't believe the male should be the automatic head of a family. My wife and I do things together. I don't issue orders like a tinpot dictator.

Depends. If you mean Christians no longer de facto get their way on everything anymore? Yes, and I'm happy for that. People deserve EQUAL protection. Anything else is usually nonsense.

Ok... and if Conservative leaders were removed from office the nation would drift left.

Why is it every time this topic is broached... on a political forum... it is always assumed that I am discussing private citizens not engaged in political office or public service?

 

[LoAmmi]

Why is it every time this topic is broached... on a political forum... it is always assumed that I am discussing private citizens not engaged in political office or public service?

Well, then, you should be able to point to official platforms by people in office who advocate the things you don't like. I grant you gay marriage and abortion, as those are liberal ideas in general. Please show me the candidate who ran on destroying the family.

 

[LostMarbels]

Well, then, you should be able to point to official platforms by people in office who advocate the things you don't like. I grant you gay marriage and abortion, as those are liberal ideas in general. Please show me the candidate who ran on destroying the family.

Im not getting into that here. I was explaining why I feel this is a sure bet in response to how I would take if I were wrong. We have strayed enough from the original discussion. I attempted to clarify but this seems to just be ongoing.

Originally I stated that this has to do with turning from the nations sin, and it is my belief that in order to achieve the goals Trump has promised he has to drain this swamp. I honestly believe he is going to take it head on.

 

[LoAmmi]

Im not getting into that here. I was explaining why I feel this is a sure bet in response to how I would take if I were wrong. We have strayed enough from the original discussion. I attempted to clarify but this seems to just be ongoing.

Originally I stated that this has to do with turning from the nations sin, and it is my belief that in order to achieve the goals Trump has promised he has to drain this swamp. I honestly believe he is going to take it head on.

Ok, so, let's say we revisit this in a year. If Trump has taken no action in a year, would you say that you were incorrect about Trump's agenda?

 

[LostMarbels]

Ok, so, let's say we revisit this in a year. If Trump has taken no action in a year, would you say that you were incorrect about Trump's agenda?

I don't care if you give me the time frame as of tomorrow actually. No malice intended in that statement. You can call me wrong right now for all I care. I'm not trying to prove how awesome I am, and how wrong others are. That is actually my contention. Some seem so insistent that Trump is wrong, he will fail and so on; they are incapable of seeing what is happening right in front of them in the open.

I am human. As such I am capable of being wrong. But even an unexpected result, is a result, even a failure. Any result can be tested, observed and learned upon. My whole world isn't going to fall apart if I am wrong. I learned something and I study to figure out what.

That being said, if you are too scared to act in accordance with your beliefs... why even have an opinion in the first place?

 

[LoAmmi]

I don't care if you give me the time frame as of tomorrow actually. No malice intended in that statement. You can call me wrong right now for all I care. I'm not trying to prove how awesome I am, and how wrong others are. That is actually my contention. Some seem so insistent that Trump is wrong, he will fail and so on; they are incapable of seeing what is happening right in front of them in the open.

I am human. As such I am capable of being wrong. But even an unexpected result, is a result, even a failure. Any result can be tested, observed and learned upon. My whole world isn't going to fall apart if I am wrong. I learned something and I study to figure out what.

That being said, if you are too scared to act in accordance with your beliefs... why even have an opinion in the first place?

Ok.

 

[LostMarbels]

Ok.

Well, any of us could be wrong, but we all feel that we are not. That is the basis of discussion and debate. That doesn't make any of us in the discussion a bad person or somehow faulty because of our views. I hope you get where I'm coming from.

 

[LoAmmi]

Well, any of us could be wrong, but we all feel that we are not. That is the basis of discussion and debate. That doesn't make any of us in the discussion a bad person or somehow faulty because of our views. I hope you get where I'm coming from.

I get it. But I still believe you have decided to blame all the problems on one group and have decided that the rest of the "regular people" believe as you do. I think there are far more liberal regular people than you give us credit for.

 

[LostMarbels]

I get it. But I still believe you have decided to blame all the problems on one group and have decided that the rest of the "regular people" believe as you do. I think there are far more liberal regular people than you give us credit for.

The 'liberals' in office are not anyway as close to moderate as the majority of citizens. Most Democrats in office are so far to the left in waco land even centrests from their own patry appear extreme right. They are the problem in my opinion. I don't feel they represent even their own any longer. They want power, and to get that they will run over anyone. However, there are Reps that need to be dealt with, together they are the swamp.

 

[cow451]

Oh sure... because you are isolated from a populist uprising against the globalists? If America succeeds in shrugging off imposed mandates and asserts itself as a sovereign nation; how do you think that will play out for the EU and the like?

How do you think people will react after finding out everything against Trump was a lie, and he was in the right all along?

I don’t think I’ll have to deal with that. The preponderance of the evidence seems to be that Mr Trump is every bit a Good Fella.

 

[cow451]

Sooner or later even the most die-hard Trump supporter will awake in the dead of night, cover his eyes with his hands (glance to the left) and say "What was I thinking?"

Not everyone. But Ivanka for certain!

 

[cow451]

You've simply looked at the problems you see and have thrown the label "liberals" on it. That seems no different than the folks in the 1920s saw problems and threw the label "Jews" on them. There's no nuance for you. It's just liberals are all things bad.

Ouch.

 

[USincognito]

Unfortunately for some they do not have anymore of a choice than the individuals that did not want the current issues imposed upon them. The pendulum is swinging right after haven gone as far left as it could.

Your personal wishes to have your culture war waged for you by the government doesn't change the fact that the Constitution prevents the institution of a Reconstuctioninist theonomy. It just isn't going to happen.

 

[cow451]

Please, do tell... which of the topics I addressed are not a liberal political agenda and or talking point?

Homosexuality.

Abortion.

Open borders.

The dissolution of the nuclear family, one wife, one husband.

The debasement of the male role as the head of the family.

The attack on Christian ideals, and the bible.

The vast majority of conservative voters will vote against every one of those topics. If the leaders that are in place enforcing said ideals are removed from office this nation will drift right.

IMHO, evangelical support of this President has done more harm to the movement than all the Libruls in the last century combined.

Heterosexual married people are responsible for whatever changes have happened to that institution.

IOW, it is soooooo easy to blame others rather than examine ones own responsibilities.

 

[USincognito]

The 'liberals' in office are not anyway as close to moderate as the majority of citizens. Most Democrats in office are so far to the left in waco land even centrests from their own patry appear extreme right. They are the problem in my opinion. I don't feel they represent even their own any longer. They want power, and to get that they will run over anyone. However, there are Reps that need to be dealt with, together they are the swamp.

Says the guy who wants to institute nuclear families at tip of a bayonet.