Joyce Meyer

[messianist]

women are not permitted to teach.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

women are not permitted to teach.

So, going by your answer, your ministry is to criticise and put down any woman who gets up and preaches the gospel and teaches the Bible? Regardless of the male oversight and her own husband supporting her in her ministry?

 

[messianist]

So, going by your answer, your ministry is to criticise and put down any woman who gets up and preaches the gospel and teaches the Bible? Regardless of the male oversight and her own husband supporting her in her ministry?

You can twist and think what you want about me, women are not permitted to teach quite simple really not my instructions.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You can twist and think what you want about me, women are not permitted to teach quite simple really not my instructions.

So, because you didn't answer my direct question, am I right in saying that you don't have a ministry at all?

Why I am asking this is that I am puzzled as to why you are so free in criticizing Joyce Meyer and Billy Graham as if you have some sort of God-given authority to do that. Especially if you are not in ministry yourself.

 

[messianist]

Interesting touch on oversight [JOYCE MERES MINESTRY]

So, because you didn't answer my direct question, am I right in saying that you don't have a ministry at all?

Why I am asking this is that I am puzzled as to why you are so free in criticizing Joyce Meyer and Billy Graham as if you have some sort of God-given authority to do that. Especially if you are not in ministry yourself.

For a start you didn't answer my question, billy graham has nothing to do with this, it was you that brought his name up.

You have posted and opposed truth I have questioned what you have put down.

ITs not a criticism scripture is clear on the matter.

 

[Alithis]

women are not permitted to teach.

Err umm. Arrrh. .....it doesnt say that actually .
Pauls says "i" suffer not a woman ....etc .and he had good reason and i agree with his reason . but no blanket ban was made

 

[messianist]

Err umm. Arrrh. .....it doesnt say that actually .
Pauls says "i" suffer not a woman ....etc .and he had good reason and i agree with his reason . but no blanket ban was made

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[Alithis]

Most of the criticism comes from the "tall poppy" syndrome, from less talented folk who are just plain jealous of her success in ministry.

Now now Oscarr ...youd have to define success in ministry...
If an unknown man
Obeys the leading of the lord JESUS and goes to a extremly poor dangerous city and there leads 1 man to the lord... Is his ministry of the Gospel not a success ?

 

[Alithis]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Yes thanks .we know the scripture.
And as i said i agree with pauls reasoning.
But as i also said .. This is Pauls own declaration of what HE personaly disallowed And why.
Paul is not moses. He is writing a letter NOT a new law book.
It is of interest that many things he wrote he repeated to many differing groups.. But not this issue.
Nor head covering either.

 

[messianist]

Yes thanks .we know the scripture.
And as i said i agree with pauls reasoning.
But as i also said .. This is Pauls own declaration of what HE personaly disallowed And why.
Paul is not moses. He is writing a letter NOT a new law book.
It is of interest that many things he wrote he repeated to many differing groups.. But not this issue.
Nor head covering either.

Knowing them and understanding them are a different matter. people repeat and do things parrot fashion.
It's not pauls own thoughts on the matter Paul spoke by the authority of the Almighty, The answer is right there it was from the beginning if it had been for any other reason then there would be no reason to say what he said straight after.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Interesting touch on oversight [JOYCE MERES MINESTRY]


For a start you didn't answer my question, billy graham has nothing to do with this, it was you that brought his name up.

You have posted and opposed truth I have questioned what you have put down.

ITs not a criticism scripture is clear on the matter.

You asked why her ministry is called "Joyce Meyer Ministries" And I asked you why Billy Graham"s ministry was called "The Billy Graham Foundation". And you gave some sort of strange comment as if you were trying to prove a point, but because I'm not a mind reader, I didn't catch what your point was.

Then I asked you what your ministry is called? And your answer was "A woman is not permitted to teach" so not being a mind reader again, I asked if that was your ministry, to criticize women preachers and teachers.
After that I asked you whether you had a ministry at all, and you responded by saying that I was twisting something (I don't know what) around.
But all I did was ask you simple questions.

I now wonder if the point of your first question was to slag off Joyce Meyer because she is a woman preacher.

Well, if she is preaching to around 50,000 people at a time, and leading hundreds to the Lord each time she preaches, how many are you leading to the Lord in your ministry?

I am asking this respectfully because in order for you to be able to comment on a successful ministry like yours, you need to have some standing in the international Christian community to be recognised as an authority to be able to say something useful about her.

Anyone with a computer can sit and reel off Scripture and quote parrot fashion other critics of international ministries, but it takes someone with some substance, maturity and experience to make reasonable comments.

 

[messianist]

Yes, I did ask as it's her ministry and she is teaching under her ministry, the scriptures speak against what she is doing.

So just because people attend her ministry or watch her on tv it does not mean that she is leading them to the almighty.

Speak for your self when talking about typing on a computer, pot kettle black about using the words critics go back and read your own post to others.

Scripture is absolute truth it's not to be twisted to suit how you feel on the matter.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, I did ask as it's her ministry and she is teaching under her ministry, the scriptures speak against what she is doing.

So just because people attend her ministry or watch her on tv it does not mean that she is leading them to the almighty.

Speak for your self when talking about typing on a computer, pot kettle black about using the words critics go back and read your own post to others.

Scripture is absolute truth it's not to be twisted to suit how you feel on the matter.

Have you ever listened to her...?

And If not, then you should not judge, because your way beyond qualified...

We can learn from anyone, and we can all learn from each other... Only what we take with us or say is a part of us, or not us, is the only thing that should matter to us... And learn about ourselves from the parts that is us and about others from the parts not us...

She knows a lot about people and you could learn a lot from her...

God Bless!

 

[messianist]

Have you ever listened to her...?

And If not, then you should not judge, because you way beyond qualified...

We can learn from anyone, and we can all learn from each other... Only what we take with us or say is a part of us, or not us, is the only thing that should matter to us... And learn about ourselves from the parts that is us and about others from the parts not us...

She knows a lot about people and you could learn a lot from her...

God Bless!

Ok

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes, I did ask as it's her ministry and she is teaching under her ministry, the scriptures speak against what she is doing.

So just because people attend her ministry or watch her on tv it does not mean that she is leading them to the almighty.

Speak for your self when talking about typing on a computer, pot kettle black about using the words critics go back and read your own post to others.

Scripture is absolute truth it's not to be twisted to suit how you feel on the matter.

I guess you don't agree with Philip's four daughters who prophesied in church. Especially when the early church definition prophecy was also inspired preaching. And Aquilla's wife Priscilla must have been out of order, because she preached alongside her husband and helped to teach Apollos the "better way" of the Lord. Oh, and Lydia, who led a prayer group in a town where Paul met her.

This is the Scripture too. I wonder why Paul didn't censure Priscilla for giving teaching to Apollos, and Lydia for leading a church?

My coach as turned into a pumpkin now seeing that it is 12:45am, so I'm off to bed. I will respond in the morning.

 

[messianist]

I guess you don't agree with Philip's four daughters who prophesied in church. Especially when the early church definition prophecy was also inspired preaching. And Aquilla's wife Priscilla must have been out of order, because she preached alongside her husband and helped to teach Apollos the "better way" of the Lord. Oh, and Lydia, who led a prayer group in a town where Paul met her.

This is the Scripture too. I wonder why Paul didn't censure Priscilla for giving teaching to Apollos, and Lydia for leading a church?

My coach as turned into a pumpkin now seeing that it is 12:45am, so I'm off to bed. I will respond in the morning.

Good night oscar
Every blessing

 

[messianist]

Yes thanks .we know the scripture.
And as i said i agree with pauls reasoning.
But as i also said .. This is Pauls own declaration of what HE personaly disallowed And why.
Paul is not moses. He is writing a letter NOT a new law book.
It is of interest that many things he wrote he repeated to many differing groups.. But not this issue.
Nor head covering either.

He did continue on this matter in

 

[messianist]

Yes thanks .we know the scripture.
And as i said i agree with pauls reasoning.
But as i also said .. This is Pauls own declaration of what HE personaly disallowed And why.
Paul is not moses. He is writing a letter NOT a new law book.
It is of interest that many things he wrote he repeated to many differing groups.. But not this issue.
Nor head covering either.

Sorry about the last post I hit enter, Paul did continue on this matter in Titus.

 

[messianist]

I guess you don't agree with Philip's four daughters who prophesied in church. Especially when the early church definition prophecy was also inspired preaching. And Aquilla's wife Priscilla must have been out of order, because she preached alongside her husband and helped to teach Apollos the "better way" of the Lord. Oh, and Lydia, who led a prayer group in a town where Paul met her.

This is the Scripture too. I wonder why Paul didn't censure Priscilla for giving teaching to Apollos, and Lydia for leading a church?

My coach as turned into a pumpkin now seeing that it is 12:45am, so I'm off to bed. I will respond in the morning.

NO oscar as they were not teaching men doctrine, prophesy, pray group and so forth are not teaching men doctrine publicly

Every
Blessing

 

[messianist]

Having a gift on of foretelling things to come. Is completely different to teaching doctrine.
Teaching is speech that explains and applies what God has revealed. Teaching provides instruction not revelation.