Joyce Meyer

[Dave-W]

The ‘funny” was for her not being able to shut up.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I may not like her prosperity doctrine views, but I'd be a fool to say that she is a false teacher. She is great and even though she preaches for the prosperity doctrine, it's not all she talks about. In fact, I think that just because she is pro-prosperity doctrine, that's why some view her as a false teacher. However, I view that as dumb as writing off those who were cessasionists just because they hold fast to one view that they disagree with.

 

[Neogaia777]

I think she knows a lot about human behavior and human ways, and that that either gives her or is given to her, a great deal of insight into that subject (now)...

I say now, cause even she will admit to you that she used to be the biggest Pharisee... She honest, I like her...

I find it funny that this has been posted in the spirit-filled/charismatic forum, cause she says she's an evangelist and preacher and a teacher, but that she is primarily a teacher over everything else, and she knows a great, great deal about a lot of people now...

God Bless!

 

[jiminpa]

All of the criticisms of Joyce Meyer are either that she is a women teacher, which can be questioned by scripture, but a case can be made either way there, or they are levelled by those of theologies that are opposed to scripture. So basically it comes down to people who are way off base criticizing Joyce for being too scriptural.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

All of the criticisms of Joyce Meyer are either that she is a women teacher, which can be questioned by scripture, but a case can be made either way there, or they are levelled by those of theologies that are opposed to scripture. So basically it comes down to people who are way off base criticizing Joyce for being too scriptural.

It doesn't matter that she is a woman preacher. She is always under the authority of the elders of where she ministers, and she is always subject to her husband, because she is the talker and her husband is the shy and retiring one. A church tried to get them to change places once, but it didn't work because her husband was not a preacher and she was. So HER HUSBAND instructed her to resume preaching and he would provide the support for her.

 

[jiminpa]

In light of the book of acts .. The life of Christ as our Supreme example ..the great commission ..etc
From what iv heard of her "which is not a lot"
Id view her sermons as more a christianese motivational speaker .

I would have to guess pretty much none, if that's what you came away with. It's always about putting God above all else.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I would have to guess pretty much none, I'd that's what you came away with. It's always about putting God alone all else.

I sat through four hours of her ministry and I can confidently say that she is a very sound Bible teacher. She is motivational, true, but not exclusively for that purpose. If she was just a parish minister or a pastor of a small suburban church, no one would be seeing her as more than just another good preacher, serving her people well.

Most of the criticism comes from the "tall poppy" syndrome, from less talented folk who are just plain jealous of her success in ministry.

 

[jiminpa]

It doesn't matter that she is a woman preacher. She is always under the authority of the elders of where she ministers, and she is always subject to her husband, because she is the talker and her husband is the shy and retiring one. A church tried to get them to change places once, but it didn't work because her husband was not a preacher and she was. So HER HUSBAND instructed her to resume preaching and he would provide the support for her.

I'm not arguing with you on that. God dealt with me pretty harshly on having a problem with women teachers a few years ago, and I'm not critical of that anymore.

He called me a hypocrite about it once. I don't want Him to be able to call me that again.

 

[jiminpa]

I sat through four hours of her ministry and I can confidently say that she is a very sound Bible teacher. She is motivational, true, but not exclusively for that purpose. If she was just a parish minister or a pastor of a small suburban church, no one would be seeing her as more than just another good preacher, serving her people well.

Most of the criticism comes from the "tall poppy" syndrome, from less talented folk who are just plain jealous of her success in ministry.

A lot of that, and a lot of people with really off base theology, getting out the torches and pitchforks over anyone more biblically sound than they are.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I'm not arguing with you on that. God dealt with me pretty harshly on having a problem with women teachers a few years ago, and I'm not critical of that anymore.

He called me a hypocrite about it once. I don't want Him to be able to call me that again.

Be encouraged in the fact that the fruit of the Spirit includes gentleness and kindness, and that Satan is the accuser of the brethren. So someone accusing you of being a hypocrite merely because you were uncertain about women preachers, is not being gentle or kind, but is being accusative. Therefore the question is, did that person have the spirit of Christ when he accused you, or was he coming from a religious accusing spirit. Remember the Scripture, "He who does not have the spirit of Christ is none of His." This is not about having or not having the Holy Spirit, but having his own spirit recreated through genuine conversion. I believe that a genuine convert to Christ would never accuse another brother of being a hypocrite for such a minor reason.

 

[RDKirk]

It doesn't matter that she is a woman preacher. She is always under the authority of the elders of where she ministers, and she is always subject to her husband, because she is the talker and her husband is the shy and retiring one. A church tried to get them to change places once, but it didn't work because her husband was not a preacher and she was. So HER HUSBAND instructed her to resume preaching and he would provide the support for her.

I'm not a big Meyers fan, primarily because I've spent more time listening to other people or doing my own study--and there are only so many hours in a day. I listened to her early on, but what she was saying wasn't, for the most part, different from what others were saying. That's not a bad thing.

Yes, there is an element of prosperity gospel in her preaching, however much stronger is that she is actually a woman's preacher/teacher. There is certainly gender equanimity in any true preaching, but there are some concepts of what we want, how we think, how we work that are gender-tending, and her preaching is in a feminine direction. That's why Paul gives the role of teaching Godly women to Godly women and teaching Godly men to Godly men.

I recall that a large amount of the criticism of Meyers was because she was in a teaching role, but as I've noted before, standing on a stage preaching is not what Paul regarded as "teaching"--that's just "expounding the gospel" because it carries no weight of authority.

As has been noted, Meyers clearly shows herself to be ultimately under the authority of male elders and her husband, and as I've said, her teaching is really geared toward women (despite the fact that men can gain from any true expounding of scripture).

But there is a core of American Christians who go ruthlessly after any woman who steps toward her own evangelistic role, even if her evangelism is tilted toward other women.

 

[jiminpa]

Be encouraged in the fact that the fruit of the Spirit includes gentleness and kindness, and that Satan is the accuser of the brethren. So someone accusing you of being a hypocrite merely because you were uncertain about women preachers, is not being gentle or kind, but is being accusative. Therefore the question is, did that person have the spirit of Christ when he accused you, or was he coming from a religious accusing spirit. Remember the Scripture, "He who does not have the spirit of Christ is none of His." This is not about having or not having the Holy Spirit, but having his own spirit recreated through genuine conversion. I believe that a genuine convert to Christ would never accuse another brother of being a hypocrite for such a minor reason.

It was God that called me a hypocrite, and yes I'm sure it was, since the objective was my repentence. God is always loving, and sometimes that means being blunt. He was calling me to a church with women pastors and I was resisting, so He felt with me in the way necessary to bring repentence.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It was God that called me a hypocrite, and yes I'm sure it was, since the objective was my repentence. God is always loving, and sometimes that means being blunt. He was calling me to a church with women pastors and I was resisting, so He felt with me in the way necessary to bring repentence.

I'm sure that He said it in the kindest possible way!
I have been challenged by God about changes in my church which I felt uncomfortable about. He encouraged me to trust Him that no matter what changes happened, my gift would make room for me. He was very kind. He could have said, "Suck it up!" which would have been just as true!

 

[Alithis]

I would have to guess pretty much none, if that's what you came away with. It's always about putting God above all else.

Sure..one can preach it..in fact Any one can preach it... But practicing it has a very different look ...
And i think if we are honest , the look doesnt match the words preached..
... Giving all for JESUS..???

Now lets be fair..having excess is not sin
But the lord did say if you gain it here..your done. Youve received it already..you lose it there. Cant have it both ways.
His word is absolute in truth .
Have a Look ..Here..
(I chose this link because it Doesnt say anything personal.
It justs says facts of this is what she owns.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Sure..one can preach it..in fact Any one can preach it... But practicing it has a very different look ...
And i think if we are honest , the look doesnt match the words preached..
... Giving all for JESUS..???

Now lets be fair..having excess is not sin
But the lord did say if you gain it here..your done. Youve received it already..you lose it there. Cant have it both ways.
His word is absolute in truth .
Have a Look ..Here..
(I chose this link because it Doesnt say anything personal.
It justs says facts of this is what she owns.

What she gets paid is not up to her. She would get a salary just like any other preacher. When we had a minister in our Presbyterian church she was paid according to the pay scale set by the national church, and he received a whole third more than the weekly wage for standard employees. And that was just for pastoring a church of 40 people!

She is an itnerate preacher, so she has no control over the level of the offerings taken in the services. The organisers calculate the expenses of hiring the stadium or the venue, the music, support staff, ministry staff, etc., and she gets payment as agreed by the organisers.

She did not get her home, clothes, and other possessions overnight. She has been in ministry for 40 years. She and her husband would have invested their money and are now living on the proceeds. She would not have had those possessions when she started out, and these would have slowly built up over the years.

We don't see websites slagging off Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson or others who own large mansions and English castles (Rod Stewart). Our daughter's best friends parents own a multi-million penthouse apartment in central Auckland, because the husband was for some years the CEO of a major NZ company.

So what's the difference?

Furthermore, if she is an itinerate ministry, travelling around the country, how much time do you think she spends at home? And how much time does she go from one hotel room to another? Do you think that she goes home every night after her services and be in her specious mansion with her husband and servants?

Have you ever thought about the stress and loneliness that itinerate ministries have to go through? After preaching to tens of thousands in the hyped up atmosphere of a Christian convention, they have to go alone back to their sterile hotel room. They are not usually billeted in Christian homes to have on-going supportive fellowship.

So it is easy to look on the outward appearance and criticise, but it is unfounded criticism without knowledge.

 

[Alithis]

What she gets paid is not up to her. She would get a salary just like any other preacher. When we had a minister in our Presbyterian church she was paid according to the pay scale set by the national church, and he received a whole third more than the weekly wage for standard employees. And that was just for pastoring a church of 40 people!

She is an itnerate preacher, so she has no control over the level of the offerings taken in the services. The organisers calculate the expenses of hiring the stadium or the venue, the music, support staff, ministry staff, etc., and she gets payment as agreed by the organisers.

She did not get her home, clothes, and other possessions overnight. She has been in ministry for 40 years. She and her husband would have invested their money and are now living on the proceeds. She would not have had those possessions when she started out, and these would have slowly built up over the years.

We don't see websites slagging off Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson or others who own large mansions and English castles (Rod Stewart). Our daughter's best friends parents own a multi-million penthouse apartment in central Auckland, because the husband was for some years the CEO of a major NZ company.

So what's the difference?

Furthermore, if she is an itinerate ministry, travelling around the country, how much time do you think she spends at home? And how much time does she go from one hotel room to another? Do you think that she goes home every night after her services and be in her specious mansion with her husband and servants?

Have you ever thought about the stress and loneliness that itinerate ministries have to go through? After preaching to tens of thousands in the hyped up atmosphere of a Christian convention, they have to go alone back to their sterile hotel room. They are not usually billeted in Christian homes to have on-going supportive fellowship.

So it is easy to look on the outward appearance and criticise, but it is unfounded criticism without knowledge.

Tbe only criticism offered is that what she preaches Vs how she lives ..is not a good look .
And I posted evidence of her style of life.
I offered no judgment on it outside that.

But it is fact .. Most of her money is from the video dvd and book sales.
Its a minimum fee i last heard of $40,000 to book her to speak... (Needs verification )


Imagine what the apostles could have made...

But such income has come by way of monetary "profits" via the selling of a produ ed merchandise ...all riding on the back of what ?
- The Gospel .

-For we do not market the word of God for profit like so many. On the contrary, we speak with sincerity in Christ, as from God and before God....2 corinth 2 :17

But put whom we are speaking of aside.
And make a general assesment..
No matter how good sounding the teaching or preaching..What is the Motive for making it a full time trade?
How is that motive assessed ?

 

[messianist]

It doesn't matter that she is a woman preacher. She is always under the authority of the elders of where she ministers, and she is always subject to her husband, because she is the talker and her husband is the shy and retiring one. A church tried to get them to change places once, but it didn't work because her husband was not a preacher and she was. So HER HUSBAND instructed her to resume preaching and he would provide the support for her.

Why is it called Joyce Meyers minestry?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Why is it called Joyce Meyers minestry?

Why was Billy Graham's ministry called the Billy Graham foundation?

 

[messianist]

Why was Billy Graham's ministry called the Billy Graham foundation?

Your answer says it all.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Your answer says it all.

What is your ministry called?