If the Bible is infallible, why do so many Christians disagree on theology?

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Not everyone believes the Bible is to be taken literally throughout
Depends on the language used. Where it is literal it is to be taken literal where their is symbols the symbols are usually explained, where metphor is used they teach a literal truth.

Did you have examples in mind?
 
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If it as you say a matter of authority why doesn't the infallible Church publish her infallible interpretation of every verse in the Bible and settle the matter once and for all?
That’s a great question. They have not for only a few passages.

And if memory serves me, the passages that are infallibly determined have to do with proclaiming Sacred Scriptures as the infallible Word of God. That’s some irony given some of the responses here.
 
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Love the quote of Teresa of Avila in your sig!

Not seen it before... time I reread her books:

One I like is " God, no wonder you have so few friends if you treat them like this! " ( the wheel had fallen off her cart)
What was so awesome about her was that she was one of the most down to earth, hard-working, practical woman anyone can imagine, and the most spiritual. For anyone who bothers to read her I think they'll only grow in understanding of our faith.
 
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Magesterium? How about a "council", or "Synod"?
The Roman use of the term Magisterium includes includes ecumenical councils, whereas synods do not involve all of the bishop and thus are not on the same level as an ecumenical council, but what body or person defines the what and which of authoritative councils and what they mean?

You will have to educate us on the difference btwn the Roman Magisterium and the EOs', besides its rejection of a Roman type papacy, and apparent aversion to using the term "infallible" for its councils.
 
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Anything that has to be read has to be interpreted in order to be understood. The Bible is not "infallible". It provides truth when subject to inerrant and authoritative interpretation, and untruth when subjected to faulty interpretation. Which is why Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth" and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". That ONE Church compiled the Bible from its own writings, and is the sole authoritative interpreter of its own book. Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in biblical understanding, ONE in worship throughout the world after 2,000 years, while those who have defected from His ONE Church, having no such divine promises of truth, have fragmented into thousands of unauthorized manmade denominations, each claiming to be teaching from "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one conflicting with the teaching of the others, in just a few hundred years. Truth cannot conflict with truth. You just can't beat God's plan.
 
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I follow the apostles who gave us their writings. I dont follow any other because they hold fallible doctrines.. (1 Peter 2:25) Jesus is my bishop as a result. Don't blame me
The Church didn't go astray. It couldn't, because the Church is the Body of Christ, with Christ as it's head and the Holy Spirit its breath. The Church has bishops, ordained by the Apostles to carry on their ministries after their departure. Find the right Church, and you'll be in it. This is where Christ is. Following your own fallible interpretations of the Apostolic writings won't prevent you from holding fallible doctrines of you own making, and thereby following a Christ that is other than the True Jesus.
 
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The Roman use of the term Magisterium includes includes ecumenical councils, whereas synods do not involve all of the bishop and thus are not on the same level as an ecumenical council, but what body or person defines the what and which of authoritative councils and what they mean?

You will have to educate us on the difference btwn the Roman Magisterium and the EOs', besides its rejection of a Roman type papacy, and apparent aversion to using the term "infallible" for its councils.
What Body defines the what and which of authoritative councils and what they mean? The Body of the Church does, always has, and always will, because Christ is the head of His Body and the Holy Spirit of God is the breath that gives it Life, to the the glory of God the Father.
 
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Consider the 7 churches in Revelation. Did any of them go astray?
Local Churches having problems with sin does not mean that the Body of Christ ever goes astray, for it can't, and is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). Individual local parishes fade out of existence throughout the centuries, either due to being overcome by sin or persecution. I see vacant Orthodox Church buildings, fallen into disuse, here and there. It happens. But the Church remains now for about 2000 years, having survived persecution, heresy, and schism.
 
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Local Churches having problems with sin does not mean that the Body of Christ ever goes astray, for it can't, and is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). Individual local parishes fade out of existence throughout the centuries, either due to being overcome by sin or persecution. I see vacant Orthodox Church buildings, fallen into disuse, here and there. It happens. But the Church remains now for about 2000 years, having survived persecution, heresy, and schism.
You are preaching that your Church has infallible doctrine, right?
 
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Why dont all the other churches agree with yours?
The Romans wanted to change the wording of the Church's creed, and the Church would not let them, but they did it anyhow because they had fallen into error. They finally parted ways with us around 1000 years after the birth of the Church. The ways they had established afterwards eventually led them into a rather dark place, until about 500 years after leaving us, a revolt/revolution broke out against the Roman church, and this is what is called the "reformation". The reformation rejected all authority in the Church accept for the Bible, which different people interpret according to their own abilities, and flawed conceptions, resulting in thousands upon thousands of variations in beliefs and practices. People born into these belief systems have either never heard about or understood what the Orthodox Church is, and are strongly influenced by the Christian traditions they've grown up with, so as to think and feel that they ought to disagree with Orthodox Church beliefs and practices.
 
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Anything that has to be read has to be interpreted in order to be understood. The Bible is not "infallible". It provides truth when subject to inerrant and authoritative interpretation, and untruth when subjected to faulty interpretation. Which is why Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth" and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". That ONE Church compiled the Bible from its own writings, and is the sole authoritative interpreter of its own book. Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in biblical understanding, ONE in worship throughout the world after 2,000 years, while those who have defected from His ONE Church, having no such divine promises of truth, have fragmented into thousands of unauthorized manmade denominations, each claiming to be teaching from "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one conflicting with the teaching of the others, in just a few hundred years. Truth cannot conflict with truth. You just can't beat God's plan.
I am a member of Gods church and am not catholic.
 
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The Romans wanted to change the wording of the Church's creed, and the Church would not let them, but they did it anyhow because they had fallen into error. They finally parted ways with us around 1000 years after the birth of the Church. The ways they had established afterwards eventually led them into a rather dark place, until about 500 years after leaving us, a revolt/revolution broke out against the Roman church, and this is what is called the "reformation". The reformation rejected all authority in the Church accept for the Bible, which different people interpret according to their own abilities, and flawed conceptions, resulting in thousands upon thousands of variations in beliefs and practices. People born into these belief systems have either never heard about or understood what the Orthodox Church is, and are strongly influenced by the Christian traditions they've grown up with, so as to think and feel that they ought to disagree with Orthodox Church beliefs and practices.
I am a member of Gods Church and i am not EO
 
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Depends on the language used. Where it is literal it is to be taken literal where their is symbols the symbols are usually explained, where metphor is used they teach a literal truth.

Did you have examples in mind?
Yes - I use Genesis as an example to providing us an introduction to God and his relationship to our universe and this world.

I don't feel a need to take all aspects literally ie - there was light then he created earth and populated it with gardens and animals and ultimately man.

As a science student I can take it as accepted, that the universe was created and that in fact, it took some time before the universe experienced light and much longer still, for the formation of our planet. I also accept that it needed to cool, create an atmosphere and then finally life emerged...... and that took a long time

So that's an example. But others include Noahs Ark, Tower of Babylon etc.

I have to accept that theres parts that contradict - a tiny example is: who is the father of Joseph. Additionally there are parts of the OT that are frankly detestable; filled with retribution in the form of genocide, rape and human violation.

Whilst the writers may well have been inspired, ultimately they wrote the story hundreds of years after the events occurred. On that basis I have to accept that error could have quite easily have been introduced.

I try not to get stuck on the literal word, but rather embrace the paradigm the bible provides.
 
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Anything that has to be read has to be interpreted in order to be understood. The Bible is not "infallible". It provides truth when subject to inerrant and authoritative interpretation, and untruth when subjected to faulty interpretation. Which is why Jesus Christ founded ONE Church,...
Which is actually absurd, for if Scripture is inerrant, which even your church itself historically affirmed
For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Ghost; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily, as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. . . . It follows that those who maintain that an error is possible in any genuine passage of the sacred writings either pervert the Catholic notion of inspiration or make God the author of such error
(though V2 seems to restrict the scope of this faithful status), then logically it must be infallible, with error being excluded.

And thus we have other Catholics who have affirmed that Scripture is infallible. And if you believe in the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility, of God protecting that office from formally teaching error in its statements on faith and morals to the whole church, then how much more Scripture should be held as being infallble in its teachings, since all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.

Moreover, if Scripture is excluded from being infallible due to the fact that men can misunderstand and even misuse it, then by the same logic your RC magisterium must be excluded from being infallible due to the fact that men can misunderstand and even misuse it (presuming they recognize and infallible teaching when they see one).
Which is why Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, said it was to remain ONE, and promised that ONE Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth" and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". That ONE Church compiled the Bible from its own writings, and is the sole authoritative interpreter of its own book. Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in biblical understanding, ONE in worship throughout the world after 2,000 years, while those who have defected from His ONE Church, having no such divine promises of truth, have fragmented into thousands of unauthorized manmade denominations, each claiming to be teaching from "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one conflicting with the teaching of the others, in just a few hundred years. Truth cannot conflict with truth. You just can't beat God's plan.
Your practiced preformatted parroted propaganda is just that, and i have seen the like from you before and countered it, and thus i see no real need (yet) to add to it here.
 
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What Body defines the what and which of authoritative councils and what they mean? The Body of the Church does, always has, and always will, because Christ is the head of His Body and the Holy Spirit of God is the breath that gives it Life, to the the glory of God the Father.
Which one true church? The representative i just responded to promotes his church as uniquely being the one true and apostolic church, which remains in conflict with you all after over 1,000 years.

As for me, I look to the most ancient church teaching, the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels), which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation.

In which i do not see distinctive Roman Catholic doctrines manifest (nor the EOs, if less aberrant), thus they cannot claim to be the one true and apostolic church.

Meanwhile, the only one true church is that of the spiritual body of Christ, (Colossians 1:18) to which He is married, (Ephesians 5:25) the "household of faith," (Galatians 6:10) since it uniquely only and always consists 100% of true believers, and which spiritual body of Christ is what the Spirit baptizes ever believer into, (1Co. 12:13) while organic fellowships in which they express their faith inevitably become admixtures of wheat and tares, with Catholicism and liberal Protestantism being mostly the latter.
 
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