Why I can't accept Christianity

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So you think it's more likely that a man really died and rose from the dead than that the Bible is mythology. Please explain the process you used to arrive at that conclusion.

There are three ways you can define mythology, traditional story, a popular misconception or imaginary. All I need to do is look around me, look at creation, look at how perfectly we are placed in our solar system, how every breath I take is given to me through oxygen, how gravity allows me to interact on the planet, how so many food sources are available, how I can love another person...the list goes on and on. I don't think this is just by chance.
I concluded from this simple observation that there must be a higher power a creator that gave this to us. Once I realized this, I wanted to know which god it was because there are many to choose from. So I did an extensive search even experimented with other gods and found the God of Israel to be the most credible in love, power and communion. So my God was no longer a myth. And through His Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I now have a personal relationship with Him.
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Your quote is nearly indecipherable, the word translated 'created' in Gen. 1 is bara', used only of God in the qal form it's an ex nihileo creation. In other word something did not exist, then it came into existance by God's power. It's used once for the creation of the universe, once for the creation of life in general and three time for Adam and Eve being created.
Are you an original language scholar? Any degrees?
 
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Are you an original language scholar? Any degrees?
No my bachlors didn't include language studies. Blue Letter Bible and Bible Hob have lexicons, dictionaries and a concordance. I'm not doing a cmplete exegesis, a word search is sufficient. The word is actually dikiosune, commentary on this book almost always mentions this word because it's a fulcrum tetm.
 
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Faith is the attribute pleases God... not logic and intellegence.
If logic pleased God, the Bible would be a college textbook and we would all have to pass the final exam to get into Heaven.
 
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No. I reject things if the quality, quantity and reliability of the evidence doesn't match up with that of the claim(s). In the case of Christianity and its associated miracles, there just isn't sufficient evidence to match up with these extraordinary claims.


Why is that not logical? If I posited that the Norse God Thor was the only true path to happiness and an eternal life, you would reject that. Would it not be logical for you to reject it?


I agree it is more about faith. But it does contain scientific claims, and those claims need to be held up against the rigors of scientific tests.
Well Kim after reading your responses I have to conclude that your thread is not motivated by a genuine desire for answers or counsel. You are not struggling... you are simply rejecting by a quality decision. If you applied this approach in all areas of life, including science, you would reject everything. Personally I think you are just looking for attention and/or attempting to show off how smart you (think) you are. Because of this I will no longer respond and give you the attention and ego-petting words you desire.
Good luck... if you ever do enter into the attitude of a seeker rather than a doubter... come back.
 
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Till they reached their breaking point then the bows were changed to arrows that shot straight George. What????? Nvmnd. Just calling a spade a spade.

I'm finding your posts rather incoherent. What do you mean?
 
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I was a Christian for many years and never gave it much intellectual thought. Over the last couple years, I started to use reason and logic to analyze the claims which were associated with Christianity as well as what is written in the Bible. Upon doing this, I came to the conclusion that much of what is written in the Bible is mythology. However, many of my good friends as well as my family still attend church and find being in the community so rewarding. I've tried to attend with them, as I don't want to lose the community aspect. But I feel guilty taking up space in the church when I don't believe any of what they're talking about.

I wonder how many atheist/skeptic websites you went to in search of the truth.

Why you would want to attend a church whose beliefs you've decided are a lot of bunk, is a mystery to me. Surely, you must think your friends and family are foolish believing as they do, perhaps even stupid. Don't you feel uncomfortable keeping company with people who have been seduced by mythology and falsehood? I would.

The main reasons I can't accept it:
1) contradictions in the Bible
2) the Bible advocates slaughter and killing
3) the logical problems of omniscience, omnipotence and omnibenevolence
4) the mafia boss aspect of it (e.g. "if you don't believe this, you will rot in hell")

I could find versions of this list on many atheist/skeptic websites. Interesting. Did you bother to check out any Christian websites that answer the questions of the atheist and skeptic? Here are a few:

www.crossexamined.org
www.reasonablefaith.org
www.str.org
www.coldcasechristianity.com
www.rzim.org
 
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There were hundreds of eyewitnesses to the Risen Christ. (1 Corinthians 15)

If that makes it true that the resurrection occurred, then if I were to say that there were hundreds of witnesses to [insert claim], then it makes the claim true.
 
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What they don't understand, Kim, is that man was made in the spiritual image of God.
What do you mean by 'spiritual'?

God's word has the power to bring things into existence.
Explain the physics of how this works.

And everything that God made was good.
According to whose standard of good?

Man's word, which he has chosen through free will, also has the power to bring things into existence. And what man's word has made, is evil. This is why Jeremiah said, "man's word shall be his burden," and NOT TO SAY, "the burden of the Lord" The evil is man's doing, NOT God's. There is a total disconnect between what the Bible is meant to convey and what typical Christians are saying.
What do you think is the best way to eradicate this disconnect?

And that is because they have chosen the words of Paul over the words of Jesus, and the Prophets, whose very words serve to correct their error. I'm not able to upload a short article I wrote on the subject. If you are interested, email me at gilead@atlanticbb.net and I will send you the link. You are engaged in the very important spiritual works. Keep it up!
Not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you talking about why there is evil in this world? Feel free to post the link - or you may PM me within this site and I'll at least take a look at it.
 
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Hi! I'm new to these forums.

I was a Christian for many years and never gave it much intellectual thought. Over the last couple years, I started to use reason and logic to analyze the claims which were associated with Christianity as well as what is written in the Bible. Upon doing this, I came to the conclusion that much of what is written in the Bible is mythology. However, many of my good friends as well as my family still attend church and find being in the community so rewarding. I've tried to attend with them, as I don't want to lose the community aspect. But I feel guilty taking up space in the church when I don't believe any of what they're talking about.

The main reasons I can't accept it:
1) contradictions in the Bible
2) the Bible advocates slaughter and killing
3) the logical problems of omniscience, omnipotence and omnibenevolence
4) the mafia boss aspect of it (e.g. "if you don't believe this, you will rot in hell")
For number 4.) There is an answer people do not say sometimes. The reason people go to hell is not because God wants them to, it is not like He is forcing you, or intimidating you to follow or die in a sense that He is power hungry, He is simply telling us the truth.

Is water like a mob boss? I mean you have to drink it, or you die, because you need water, does that mean you are forced into it. God is good. ALL things good come directly from HIS PRESENCE. Love, God is love. Joy, God is joy, and all things good. So since He made us, we are given these things as a direct result of being alive, because He is life. You may think of Joy as a thing, instead of a person right? Well think, all the good things that people label just things, like they are there but not of a person. Well love is a direct result of Gods presence on earth. So think of God as living water , now, He tells you HEY YOU NEED ME, I am the reason life exists for I am life' He tells you because it is true, because He knows that He is the only one who can give you that, because He is that. Joy, love, truth, and all well being are not things of their own, they do not belong , to themselves, they are not just random objects or things, or happen to be s.. They are HIM. On earth though, we are separated from Him, that is why there is also a LACK of these things. Since we are not totally basking in His presence, now there is absence, absence of joy , is what we call sadness, depression etc. Absence of love, is what we call hate, misery, lifelessness. Absence of His eternal life, results in the death of each and every one of us, at least once. So when we went against God, we went against life, we went against love and joy, therefore how can we have life and love and joy if we denied it, the very source of it is God and if we deny Him, we can not have any. So then, God knowing our sufferings, even though WE caused them, all of us, He sent His OWN SON, to this earth, and He lived among us, and died on the cross for our wrongs, our sins, and rose again on the third day and lives again. So, we separated ourselves, since we did that, since we denied God, then what else can we have what is left? The ABSENCE of God, but Jesus, took that absence upon Himself, And paid it for us, and He never , ever even sinned. He never went against God, yet He felt , and took upon Himself the absence of His presence, the suffering, the hurt, the pain, the tears, and ultimately, DEATH. And it is by Jesus Christ the SON of God, that we are forgiven, He took that for us, and all who accept Him, are saved from our sufferings, our punishment, that we created. Jesus Christ is living water! You cannot blame God for your needing of Him. Life would not exist if it were not this way. God is real, He is who He is, He is alive, and aware, He knows all things, and all things good come of Him. There is only with God, or without God. Since God is the whole basis of existence in the first place, without God, there is not even nothing. Nothingness could not even exist without God, God is reality. And I tell you now, even if you do not understand what I say. Hear this. You need to seek out Christ right now. Nothing is more important for you, or ever will be. I plead with you , to right now, ask to be saved, call out to Jesus, confess that He is the Son of God that He came into the flesh and lived among us, died for your sins on the cross and rose from the dead on the 3rd day and lives again. Ask for forgiveness, ask for the Holy Spirit, ask Him to reveal Himself to you, to save you, to show you He loves you. He is calling for you right now otherwise you would not be hearing this. I really want you to see the beauty of life, when you walk with God, He shows you so much, and it blows your mind, the things you did not even see , the things of beauty right in your face all these years, yet you could not actually perceive the beauty. There is absolutely no reason to wait, all you have to do is seek Him, He already paid our sins, all we have to do is seek Him and accept Him and what He did. Just allow Him to guide you.


You never actually accepted Him if you can deny Him, I am not here to hate on you, I am here to help you, I am telling you this out of love, you have no clue what you are missing out on. The world may count foolish the things of God, things of pure beauty, do not be one of those anymore. God is calling you right now, it is time to open that door, to answer Him and receive Him, Seek the Lord while He is near. Give Him your heart, allow Him to show you the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, the wisdom, the riches the glory, the love, the joy, the forgiveness, the life. Do not be swayed by what other people are doing, or those buildings they call churches, or denominations, there are many many things built to DECEIVE you from accepting Christ, to dilute you, to confuse you, and to make you think you already know, because you see this 'church' and they are weird, or you already know because you did this and that. Do not follow a denomination, follow Christ.
 
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Faith is the attribute pleases God... not logic and intellegence.
If logic pleased God, the Bible would be a college textbook and we would all have to pass the final exam to get into Heaven.
Yes. God made people of all kinds. He made geniuses and less intelligent people. He also made people who were beautiful and others not so beautiful. This to me proves that God doesn't look at intellect or outward appearances. God looks at the heart, something we cant see.
 
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If choice were the crucial factor in salvation, then it would seem that the most intelligent and wisest would pack our churches. Yet this is not the case.
 
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If that makes it true that the resurrection occurred, then if I were to say that there were hundreds of witnesses to [insert claim], then it makes the claim true.
One would need to examine the veracity of the claim. One way would be multiple sources. The NT gives this evidentiary premise.

I see you claim to be a seeker.
Here’s a good source to examine the veracity of the evidence of the Resurrection:

Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A71Y7I8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
 
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For number 4.) There is an answer people do not say sometimes. The reason people go to hell is not because God wants them to, it is not like He is forcing you, or intimidating you to follow or die in a sense that He is power hungry, He is simply telling us the truth.
If God can do anything and loves everyone, then why did he set up the rules so that certain people go to hell?

Is water like a mob boss? I mean you have to drink it, or you die, because you need water, does that mean you are forced into it. God is good. ALL things good come directly from HIS PRESENCE. Love, God is love. Joy, God is joy, and all things good. So since He made us, we are given these things as a direct result of being alive, because He is life. You may think of Joy as a thing, instead of a person right? Well think, all the good things that people label just things, like they are there but not of a person. Well love is a direct result of Gods presence on earth. So think of God as living water , now, He tells you HEY YOU NEED ME, I am the reason life exists for I am life' He tells you because it is true, because He knows that He is the only one who can give you that, because He is that. Joy, love, truth, and all well being are not things of their own, they do not belong , to themselves, they are not just random objects or things, or happen to be s.. They are HIM. On earth though, we are separated from Him, that is why there is also a LACK of these things. Since we are not totally basking in His presence, now there is absence, absence of joy , is what we call sadness, depression etc. Absence of love, is what we call hate, misery, lifelessness. Absence of His eternal life, results in the death of each and every one of us, at least once. So when we went against God, we went against life, we went against love and joy, therefore how can we have life and love and joy if we denied it, the very source of it is God and if we deny Him, we can not have any. So then, God knowing our sufferings, even though WE caused them, all of us, He sent His OWN SON, to this earth, and He lived among us, and died on the cross for our wrongs, our sins, and rose again on the third day and lives again. So, we separated ourselves, since we did that, since we denied God, then what else can we have what is left? The ABSENCE of God, but Jesus, took that absence upon Himself, And paid it for us, and He never , ever even sinned. He never went against God, yet He felt , and took upon Himself the absence of His presence, the suffering, the hurt, the pain, the tears, and ultimately, DEATH. And it is by Jesus Christ the SON of God, that we are forgiven, He took that for us, and all who accept Him, are saved from our sufferings, our punishment, that we created. Jesus Christ is living water! You cannot blame God for your needing of Him. Life would not exist if it were not this way. God is real, He is who He is, He is alive, and aware, He knows all things, and all things good come of Him. There is only with God, or without God. Since God is the whole basis of existence in the first place, without God, there is not even nothing. Nothingness could not even exist without God, God is reality. And I tell you now, even if you do not understand what I say. Hear this. You need to seek out Christ right now. Nothing is more important for you, or ever will be. I plead with you , to right now, ask to be saved, call out to Jesus, confess that He is the Son of God that He came into the flesh and lived among us, died for your sins on the cross and rose from the dead on the 3rd day and lives again. Ask for forgiveness, ask for the Holy Spirit, ask Him to reveal Himself to you, to save you, to show you He loves you. He is calling for you right now otherwise you would not be hearing this. I really want you to see the beauty of life, when you walk with God, He shows you so much, and it blows your mind, the things you did not even see , the things of beauty right in your face all these years, yet you could not actually perceive the beauty. There is absolutely no reason to wait, all you have to do is seek Him, He already paid our sins, all we have to do is seek Him and accept Him and what He did. Just allow Him to guide you.
I don't know a way of accepting things which I don't believe to exist. I don't know a way of allowing things I don't believe to exist to guide me. Do you believe that the Norse God Thor exists? If not, could you accept the Norse God Thor? And could you allow the Norse God Thor to guide you?

You never actually accepted Him if you can deny Him, I am not here to hate on you, I am here to help you, I am telling you this out of love, you have no clue what you are missing out on. The world may count foolish the things of God, things of pure beauty, do not be one of those anymore. God is calling you right now, it is time to open that door, to answer Him and receive Him, Seek the Lord while He is near. Give Him your heart, allow Him to show you the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, the wisdom, the riches the glory, the love, the joy, the forgiveness, the life. Do not be swayed by what other people are doing, or those buildings they call churches, or denominations, there are many many things built to DECEIVE you from accepting Christ, to dilute you, to confuse you, and to make you think you already know, because you see this 'church' and they are weird, or you already know because you did this and that. Do not follow a denomination, follow Christ.
While I appreciate your lengthy response, can you please define 'God' in 1-2 short sentences? Or perhaps explain (in just a short paragraph) what real thing that all humans can observe it is that you are calling 'God'. Thanks.
 
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I have had doubts as well, but when i look at creation in all its wonder, i know God is real. This is good because God is my hope. Without Him i would have nothing but regret and sorrow. I patiently wait till i meet HIm and enter into eternal life.
What real thing is it you are calling 'God'? I look around at everything that was created and I don't see a god. Are we each looking at the same thing but calling it something different?
 
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What real thing is it you are calling 'God'? I look around at everything that was created and I don't see a god. Are we each looking at the same thing but calling it something different?
Creation is too wonderful for it to be an accident. It was surely created by God.
 
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One would need to examine the veracity of the claim. One way would be multiple sources. The NT gives this evidentiary premise.
The claims are made in the Bible, a book with numerous inconsistencies. Witnesses in court are often discredited due to inconsistencies in their testimony. Therefore, the Bible loses much of its credibility due to the inconsistencies.

I see you claim to be a seeker.
I seek things which are true. If Christianity can be shown to be true, then I am interested in it.

Here’s a good source to examine the veracity of the evidence of the Resurrection:

Cold-Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A71Y7I8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Please provide something from an unbiased source and I'll watch. J. Warner Wallace is clearly a biased source - meaning the book is only going to be useful to help cement the belief of Christians who already believe. Examples of unbiased would be things like National Geographic, PBS, etc.

J. Warner Wallace is a cold-case homicide detective, popular national speaker and best-selling author. He continues to consult on cold-case investigations while serving as a Senior Fellow at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview. He is also an adjunct professor of apologetics at Biola University and a faculty member at Summit Ministries. J. Warner was a conscientious and vocal atheist until the age of thirty-five, when he took a serious and expansive look at the evidence for the Christian Worldview and determined that Christianity was demonstrably true. After becoming a Christ follower in 1996, Jim continued to take an evidential approach to truth as he examined the Christian worldview. He eventually earned a Master’s Degree in Theological Studies from Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary.
 
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