Do some believe babies go to Hell?

[RaymondG]

You said, I quote:

"I find it totally agreeable that one who believes anyone will literally burn in an oven and takes most of the bible as literal....would also believe that children will be there as well.....

Yes it is "unfair" " ~ RaymondG.
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Are you saying babies are saved now?
Or are you saying you simply do not know and it is a possibility?
Please be clear and upfront with us here.
For let your "yes" be "yes" and let your "no" be "no."

"I find it agreeable" = "I can understand it." Unlike you, it seems, I do not expect that everyone has to agree with me or my interpretation of the word..And I dont fault them for it, as it is God who giveth wisdom... yet I like it when one stays consistent and do not stay on fences.....therefore if your take things literal....one would expect that no exceptions be made.

And I see you cut my other sentence up, to change the meaning...but i find this agreeable as well, given how I've seen you handle scriptures on occasion. (does this mean i agree with it?" no) nevertheless, You did leave, in, my Quotation mark around the word "unfair." When I do this, Im saying that I am using a word that would normally be used by one making the point I was making.....yet I, myself, find the word or use thereof, unsuitable. If you read the whole sentence, you would see I did the same for the word "fair," "hell" etc...

Now, if you want to ask me a question without trying to reduce my credibility beforehand, you can do so, and I will answer....

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

David said he would see his unborn child who died again.

sheol...place of the dead.

Jesus says that children are of the Kingdom.

childlike faith

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

*psalms 58:3

we're all wicked, the wicked are estranged from the womb, david admitted as much.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

"I find it agreeable" = "I can understand it." Unlike you, it seems, I do not expect that everyone has to agree with me or my interpretation of the word..And I dont fault them for it, as it is God who giveth wisdom... yet I like it when one stays consistent and do not stay on fences.....therefore if your take things literal....one would expect that no exceptions be made.

And I see you cut my other sentence up, to change the meaning...but i find this agreeable as well, given how I've seen you handle scriptures on occasion. (does this mean i agree with it?" no) nevertheless, You did leave, in, my Quotation mark around the word "unfair." When I do this, Im saying that I am using a word that would normally be used by one making the point I was making.....yet I, myself, find the word or use thereof, unsuitable. If you read the whole sentence, you would see I did the same for the word "fair," "hell" etc...

Now, if you want to ask me a question without trying to reduce my credibility beforehand, you can do so, and I will answer....

Let your "yes" be "yes" and let your "no" be "no." A person who believes babies are saved is not going to criticize those who do believe that fact. You can play with words all you like, but your words here say that you do believe on some level that babies go to hell because you are criticizing those who say babies are saved. Unless of course you just like criticizing people for no good reason.

So why don't you be upfront with us instead of being all mysterious (as if you have something to hide) and clearly tell us what you believe on this topic.

Do you believe babies are saved? Yes, or no?
If you say, "I don't know," then you should not criticize those who believe babies are saved because it makes it sound like you are against that position.

 

[Southernscotty]

Sin is not imputed when there is no law

 

[Bible Highlighter]

*psalms 58:3

we're all wicked, the wicked are estranged from the womb, david admitted as much.

Have you known any babies to speak lies before they even had a chance to talk yet?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

sheol...place of the dead.

Right. I am sure David would receive great comfort in seeing his unborn child was in torments. That would be even worse.

childlike faith

No. He says they are of the Kingdom of Heaven.

"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 19:14) (KJV).

"But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." (NASB).

 

[twin.spin]

I am not in disagreement with those verses. We all inherited a sin nature from Adam (Including babies). But a baby has no knowledge of sin yet. They are not capable of sinning. They cannot act upon their sin nature. The transgression of the law is sin. Yes, all babies are doomed to die physically because of Adam's one time sin, but Jesus will one day have a resurrection of life for those who are good. Babies and the mentally handicapped (Who have no capacity to sin), and those who accept Him and who remain faithful to Him will be saved. All Adam had to do was obey one command. He did not have the full knowledge of good and evil. He only knew about the one command. In a way he was like a saved baby being innocent to the knowledge of knowing certain evils.

In actuality you are in disagreement for none of those verses I quoted make any exceptions as you're doing.

Since the fall of Adam and Eve, all of humanity is conceived\born by nature as Scriptures teach:

Psalm 14:3
All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Ecclesiastes 7:20
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

Romans 3:10-11
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.​

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

All of us were babies at one point.

Salvation is by grace, not by age...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

In actuality you are in disagreement for none of those verses I quoted make any exceptions as you're doing.

Babies aren't taught "how to sin" anymore than a baby is taught "how to be conceived".
The fact that Jesus teaches one must be reborn of the Spirit refutes the notion capability excuse. Subsequently humanity since Adam and Eve is conceived\born by nature as Scriptures teach:

If all babies are condemned, then why did God have favor with John the Baptist since the womb?

Psalm 14:3
All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Doesn't apply. Babies do not have the capacity to know about any law to do good or bad. The Bible says sin is not imputed where there is no law (Romans 5:13).

Ecclesiastes 7:20
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.

1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the Law. A baby does not know about the Law to be able to transgress the Law. Think. That would be like telling a dog not to steal or to not commit adultery. The animal has no such capability. Neither does a baby.

Romans 3:10-11
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.

Have you ever met a baby before? Babies do not have the capacity to seek after God and to know about righteousness yet. They do not have any understanding yet because they are babies.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

All of us were babies at one point.

Salvation is by grace, not by age...

It is still by grace because God is saving babies by grace. If Jesus did not go to the cross, then everyone would be condemned (Including babies). But that was never going to happen because God is good and God is love.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I think some folk here are against the idea that babies are saved is because it protects their precious pet doctrine that says they can sin and still be saved on some level. Granted, some do believe babies are saved, and yet on the other hand they ignore this truth in favor of a sin and still be saved belief, too. But if they do so, they are not simply being consistent with their belief, though.

I would say it is better that a person believes babies are saved (as Scripture and basic morality teaches) because it will at least show them that their belief in justifying a sin and still be saved type belief is inconsistent. It will show them that grievous sin does separate a person from GOD. For God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). For if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 10:26).

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Have you known any babies to speak lies before they even had a chance to talk yet?

pretty much all of them. I did too.

Right. I am sure David would receive great comfort in seeing his unborn child was in torments. That would be even worse.

he'll be comforted knowing he was with him.

Babies do not have the capacity to know about any law to do good or bad.

they're estranged from the womb anyway.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

pretty much all of them. I did too.

he'll be comforted knowing he was with him.

they're estranged from the womb anyway.

You have a really odd belief here that is a violation of basic morality, friend. I cannot show you how it is wrong it is (unless you are willing to see it). God is going to have to show you that one if you don't see this kind of belief as being immoral and wrong. I can show you verses all day, but it is not the verses that will convince you. Only God can open your eyes to see the truth here. Ask God about this topic and He will reveal the truth to you. But if this topic discussion is all some kind of intellectual head thing for you, I would suggest you stop and think with your heart on this one a little more (Instead of just pointing to verses).

 

[RaymondG]

King David knew that he would see his unborn child again and Jesus says that children are of the Kingdom of Heaven. These two points in Scripture is all you should need to know that babies are saved. But you shouldn't need a Bible telling you this fact. God is good. Just knowing God is good (without a Bible telling you that) should be enough to let you know that God does not send babies to hell. Do you believe that the Bible should be just all head knowledge?

Here you go again making wild unmerited claims for "likes." But I find this agreeable for you, and see nothing wrong with it. I dont understand, however, why it is that you quote my words when you are making statements unrelated to them.....

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

You have a really odd belief here that is a violation of basic morality, friend. I cannot show you how it is wrong it is (unless you are willing to see it). God is going to have to show you that one if you don't see this kind of belief as being immoral and wrong. I can show you verses all day, but it is not the verses that will convince you. Only God can open your eyes to see the truth here. Ask God and fast over this topic and He will reveal the truth to you. But if this topic discussion is all some kind of intellectual head thing for you, I would suggest you stop and think with your heart on this one a little more (Instead of just pointing to verses).

cool story bro,

have a good day

 

[RaymondG]

Let your "yes" be "yes" and let your "no" be "no." A person who believes babies are saved is not going to criticize those who do believe that fact. You can play with words all you like, but your words here say that you do believe on some level that babies go to hell because you are criticizing those who say babies are saved. Unless of course you just like criticizing people for no good reason.

You never asked me for my opinion. You judged without knowledge and proceeded to make statements based on your false judgement.

I criticized no one,,, if you can show me where i did, without cutting out part of my sentences, show me. And asking a question is not criticizing....This is what I prefer that you do....ask questions, that edify....and then proceed to show your "superior knowledge."

So why don't you be upfront with us instead of being all mysterious (as if you have something to hide) and clearly tell us what you believe on this topic.

I would like for you to just ask me questions, without judging me and speaking on what you believe my answer to be beforehand.....Is that too much to ask? Do I have to be guilty of what you believe before answering on the matter?

Do explain broadly, I dont believe there are babies in Heaven or Hell....I find the idea preposterous. And if you have a truth that has exceptions, it most likely isnt truth......If you have a plan of salvation that give exceptions....maybe you should rethink your plan.

Do you believe babies are saved? Yes, or no?
If you say, "I don't know," then you should not criticize those who believe babies are saved because it makes it sound like you are against that position.

You are too sensitive and emotional....both quality not attributed to one who is given to handle and divide the words of truth. I see no criticism here. You will continue to see it as long as you continue to look for it. Sometimes people ask questions to gain clarity.....not to argue, not to criticize......just to understand a thought process.

I do not like to assume what others think....is this ok?

 

[twin.spin]

If all babies are condemned, then why did God have favor with John the Baptist since the womb?

Because God did … as he says in Romans 9:15

For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”​

Doesn't apply. Babies do not have the capacity to know about any law to do good or bad. The Bible says sin is not imputed where there is no law (Romans 5:13).

"Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses" (Romans 5:14)

therefore as Romans 1:20 prefaces … since creation people are without excuse

1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the Law. A baby does not know about the Law to be able to transgress the Law. Think. That would be like telling a dog not to steal or to not commit adultery. The animal has no such capability. Neither does a baby.

"The wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23
Babies die not because they become aware of about the Law (see Romans 5:14)

Have you ever met a baby before? Babies do not have the capacity to seek after God and to know about righteousness yet. They do not have any understanding yet because they are babies.

Yes I have met a baby … have you read God's Word which teaches that babies do have the capacity?

2 Timothy 3:15
and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Psalm 51:6
Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place.​

 

[Not David]

yet you believe God will punish the older ones because they gave into the temptation that the younger one did not have to face.

You seem to have more compassion for those younger in age. What if God loved everyone equally and without the prejudices known to infect man?

Lol, you add words into my mouth and then complain that someone is doing the same to you. I don't believe in a place called hell, ok?

 

[Not David]

Besides all babies are believers, Because God knew them before they were in the womb.
If you wanna look at it that way

If you say all babies are believers then do you support infant baptism?