Is the Earth flat or round???

[SPF]

Here is a question for a globe believer.

How does the workings of an airplane work on a spinning sphere.

Example it is said that the airplane flying with the direction of the rotation is able to go to its destination because the atmosphere carries the plane along with the rotation allowing the plane traveling at 500 mph to be able to go to a city that is moving along with the rotation of the earth at between 1000 to say 800 mph. How does a 500 mph plane catch, an 800 mph moving earth.

So what happens to the same atmosphere (that allows a plane flying 500 mph to go to a place moving away from the plane at 1000 mph) when the plane turns around and fly's back to where it came from .

Does the atmosphere that carried the plane along on the first part of the trip all of the sudden not exist so it does not work against the plane traveling against the rotation and also with a detestation now rotating toward the plane obviously the traveling time will be much shorter. please explain the working of the airplane on a rotating sphere.

When FE conspiracy theorists ask this particular question, I have to wonder if they're actually middle school children repeating the same questions that their middle school classmates asked to sound smart before they finished up 7th grade science.

The answer is the same answer to the question of why when you jump in the air you come back to the same spot, or why when a helicopter takes off and hovers for an hour it would come down at the same location, or why when a baseball player hits a ball that it doesn't matter if the ballpark is facing east or west, it's going to travel the same speed.

There are some short tempered FE conspiracy theorists on this website that demean people for not understanding the "basic" FE facts when engaged in discussion. I imagine this would be akin to that.

 

[Aldebaran]

When FE conspiracy theorists ask this particular question, I have to wonder if they're actually middle school children repeating the same questions that their middle school classmates asked to sound smart before they finished up 7th grade science.

The answer is the same answer to the question of why when you jump in the air you come back to the same spot, or why if a helicopter took off and hovers for an hour it would come down at the same location, or why when a baseball player hits a ball that it doesn't matter if the ballpark is facing east or west, it's going to travel the same speed.

There are some short tempered FE conspiracy theorists on this website that demean people for not understanding the "basic" FE facts when engaged in discussion. I imagine this would be akin to that.

One thing I think they subscribe to is when Jesus said they we have to be as children and that the kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these. The problem is when people think they have to abandon all thought and reason, along with the ability to grow and mature and learn.

 

[d taylor]

When FE conspiracy theorists ask this particular question, I have to wonder if they're actually middle school children repeating the same questions that their middle school classmates asked to sound smart before they finished up 7th grade science.

The answer is the same answer to the question of why when you jump in the air you come back to the same spot, or why when a helicopter takes off and hovers for an hour it would come down at the same location, or why when a baseball player hits a ball that it doesn't matter if the ballpark is facing east or west, it's going to travel the same speed.

There are some short tempered FE conspiracy theorists on this website that demean people for not understanding the "basic" FE facts when engaged in discussion. I imagine this would be akin to that.

So you can not answer, I understand a lot of sciences lies can not be defended or explained.

 

[Aldebaran]

So you can not answer, I understand a lot of sciences lies can not be defended or explained.

The answer to your question is that you're not taking everything into consideration in the entire scenario. When a plane takes off it is leaving the earth that is in rotation, along with an atmosphere that is moving at about the same rate, so all 3 are moving at the same rate. The only thing the plane does is move through atmosphere to stay aloft over the earth's terrain to reach a different part of the earth. When the plane takes off, it's not as if the earth suddenly moves fast under it.

But people get tired of having to explain this so many times. It's been done many times before, and the misunderstanding involved by the FE person is that he always leaves either the earth, atmosphere or the airplane out of the equation.

 

[SPF]

So you can not answer, I understand a lot of sciences lies can not be defended or explained.

Are you kidding? Do YOU not know why you don't go flying when you jump in the air? That's the point, I learned that in middle school. Do you really not know why you don't?

I find it hard to believe that you're honestly that ignorant. But in case you are, Aldebaran was kind enough to answer you in the post above this.

 

[SPF]

So you can not answer, I understand a lot of sciences lies can not be defended or explained.

Can you explain to me why if you're a passenger in a car traveling 75mph down the highway, why if you toss a ball in the air it doesn't go flying backwards at 75mph. but instead goes up and down as if it wasn't moving 75mph?

 

[Aldebaran]

Can you explain to me why if you're a passenger in a car traveling 75mph down the highway, why if you toss a ball in the air it doesn't go flying backwards at 75mph. but instead goes up and down as if it wasn't moving 75mph?

They might even ask why the ball doesn't fly backwards at 1,000 MPH since that's the speed of earth's rotation. Once again, they'd be leaving something out. We have the earth's rotation, the atmosphere, the car, the air inside the car, and the ball. Leave something out, and the correct understanding of how it all works falls apart.

 

[d taylor]

Can you explain to me why if you're a passenger in a car traveling 75mph down the highway, why if you toss a ball in the air it doesn't go flying backwards at 75mph. but instead goes up and down as if it wasn't moving 75mph?

What does riding in a car have to do with a rotating ball of water. a car is completely enclosed: a floor, sides (left and right) and a roof. where is the sides and roof on a globe earth.
The earth is not an enclosed place, if it is then how did people go to the moon unless the moon is also in the enclosure.

I believe the earth is an enclosed place a flat enclosed place that does not move.

 

[ViaCrucis]

What does riding in a car have to do with a rotating ball of water. a car is completely enclosed: a floor, sides (left and right) and a roof. where is the sides and roof on a globe earth.
The earth is not an enclosed place, if it is then how did people go to the moon unless the moon is also in the enclosure.

I believe the earth is an enclosed place a flat enclosed place that does not move.

The reason you don't go flying back when you jump up in the air on a plane is because an object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by another force. This is called inertia. You are on the plane, you and the plane are traveling at X miles per hour, when you jump you are STILL traveling X miles per hour in the same direction as you were going before--nothing has changed. The reason why, if you were to jump up in a non-enclosed space is air is matter and the force of air acts as a force upon you.

We don't feel speed, we feel changes in velocity--acceleration and deceleration. You can feel the force upon you when you speed up in your car, and you can feel the force when you slow down in your car--but if your car is going at a constant 60 miles per hour you don't feel that. If you stick your hand out of the window you will feel the force of the air pushing back.

The earth is moving, you don't feel it for the same reason you don't feel the speed of your car. If the earth slowed down or sped up, you WOULD feel that. We all would.

Enclosed space or not is irrelevant. The only reason not having an enclosed space matters is because of the force of air pushing back relative to the moving vehicle which you could then directly experience. Air is matter. The earth is moving through the vacuum of space--that includes the atmosphere of the planet. There is no space equivalent of air here, if there was it would blow our atmosphere away. Why? See what happens when you fill a convertible with smoke, then roll the top down. That's why.

And to everyone else on this thread, yes I do realize I'm wasting my words here. But it was either respond or suffer a migraine from losing brain cells after making the mistake of coming back to this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[d taylor]

The reason you don't go flying back when you jump up in the air on a plane is because an object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by another force. This is called inertia. You are on the plane, you and the plane are traveling at X miles per hour, when you jump you are STILL traveling X miles per hour in the same direction as you were going before--nothing has changed. The reason why, if you were to jump up in a non-enclosed space is air is matter and the force of air acts as a force upon you.

We don't feel speed, we feel changes in velocity--acceleration and deceleration. You can feel the force upon you when you speed up in your car, and you can feel the force when you slow down in your car--but if your car is going at a constant 60 miles per hour you don't feel that. If you stick your hand out of the window you will feel the force of the air pushing back.

The earth is moving, you don't feel it for the same reason you don't feel the speed of your car. If the earth slowed down or sped up, you WOULD feel that. We all would.

Enclosed space or not is irrelevant. The only reason not having an enclosed space matters is because of the force of air pushing back relative to the moving vehicle which you could then directly experience. Air is matter. The earth is moving through the vacuum of space--that includes the atmosphere of the planet. There is no space equivalent of air here, if there was it would blow our atmosphere away. Why? See what happens when you fill a convertible with smoke, then roll the top down. That's why.

And to everyone else on this thread, yes I do realize I'm wasting my words here. But it was either respond or suffer a migraine from losing brain cells after making the mistake of coming back to this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

You mention vacuum of space, all vacuum systems require a solid enclosure to work, the one exception is the magical vacuum of space. Which all you know about this is from what some scientist has told you. Not one time have you seen this actually work in a model. A working vacuum system using just air pressure to create a vacuum no glass, etc.. container.
It is like asking for a working example that the moon is out in space and the atmosphere is turning the black unlit side of the moon to blue, from its location out in space, the blue we see when looking at the moon during the day time hours.
If a person can not look at the moon and see this creation is above the earth and in front of this blue (Genesis 1:14,15,16,17) (not out 230,000+miles from earth, out in the black of space) moving over the earth. Then you are open for any deception that comes your way.

I guess if you will believe that. You will believe that the earth is enclosed in a magical vacuum.

 

[d taylor]

Are you kidding? Do YOU not know why you don't go flying when you jump in the air? That's the point, I learned that in middle school. Do you really not know why you don't?

I find it hard to believe that you're honestly that ignorant. But in case you are, Aldebaran was kind enough to answer you in the post above this.

Maybe that is your problem instead of growing out of the lie, like the belief in santa. You continue to believe in the lies of science, the Bible is there to help any one out of the lie, but very few find their way out.

 

[Jadis40]

Maybe that is your problem instead of growing out of the lie, like the belief in santa. You continue to believe in the lies of science, the Bible is there to help any one out of the lie, but very few find their way out.

A spherical earth orbiting the sun is not a lie of science, just like germ theory (scientific use of the word theory) isn't a lie.

Germ theory of disease - Wikipedia

Viruses, parasites, and bacteria all cause disease, and goes back to the 16th century, and was started by this guy:

Girolamo Fracastoro - Wikipedia

That's not a lie, it's 100% fact, just as a spherical earth is 100% fact. The only fantasy is a flat earth enclosed in a dome. The idea of a flat earth goes along with this quote:

1 Corinthians 13:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

 

[Aldebaran]

You mention vacuum of space, all vacuum systems require a solid enclosure to work, the one exception is the magical vacuum of space. Which all you know about this is from what some scientist has told you. Not one time have you seen this actually work in a model. A working vacuum system using just air pressure to create a vacuum no glass, etc.. container.
It is like asking for a working example that the moon is out in space and the atmosphere is turning the black unlit side of the moon to blue, from its location out in space, the blue we see when looking at the moon during the day time hours.
If a person can not look at the moon and see this creation is above the earth and in front of this blue (Genesis 1:14,15,16,17) (not out 230,000+miles from earth, out in the black of space) moving over the earth. Then you are open for any deception that comes your way.

I guess if you will believe that. You will believe that the earth is enclosed in a magical vacuum.

A vacuum is simply the absence of matter. That's what space is, although not a "perfect" vacuum since planets, stars, space dust, etc. is there. But other than that, you're not going to find oxygen, air pressure, etc.

 

[Aldebaran]

Maybe that is your problem instead of growing out of the lie, like the belief in santa. You continue to believe in the lies of science, the Bible is there to help any one out of the lie, but very few find their way out.

I don't remember Jesus instructing His followers to not believe anything taught by science, or anything about the shape of the earth. If you'd like to point me to a reference, that'd be great.

 

[andy b]

Who cares it seems flat while I'm on it but the planets are round so I figure it's round .....but Jesus doesn't mention it so it's irrelevant

 

[Lost4words]

Maybe that is your problem instead of growing out of the lie, like the belief in santa. You continue to believe in the lies of science, the Bible is there to help any one out of the lie, but very few find their way out.

You have lost all sense of reality if you truly believe what you do about a flat earth etc.

God gave us science. God gave us knowledge.

 

[d taylor]

I don't remember Jesus instructing His followers to not believe anything taught by science, or anything about the shape of the earth. If you'd like to point me to a reference, that'd be great.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 Isaiah 44:24 I am not going to post the whole Bible but the creation described in the Bible is completely opposite of sciences stated creation. The only way these coward christians can get around it is to make those verses in to metaphors.

 

[JackRT]

You mention vacuum of space, all vacuum systems require a solid enclosure to work, the one exception is the magical vacuum of space. Which all you know about this is from what some scientist has told you. Not one time have you seen this actually work in a model. A working vacuum system using just air pressure to create a vacuum no glass, etc.. container.

I can't believe that I actually have to explain this. The solid enclosures that we require on earth for vacuum systems are not to keep the vacuum in, they are needed to keep the air out. The vacuum of space does not need an enclosure because the only air around is held to the planet by the force of gravity.

 

[d taylor]

I can't believe that I actually have to explain this. The solid enclosures that we require on earth for vacuum systems are not to keep the vacuum in, they are needed to keep the air out. The vacuum of space does not need an enclosure because the only air around is held to the planet by the force of gravity.

Thank newton for creating the idea of gravity, other wise half or more than likely all of the pagan science lies would not be possible.

 

[JackRT]

Thank newton for creating the idea of gravity, other wise half or more than likely all of the pagan science lies would not be possible.

I have been a scientist most of my adult life and I have never encountered "pagan science lies:. You have me puzzled. What am I missing?