How would this sinner be saved, without works.

[JimBeta]

Can believer be prideful and be saved?

No. 1 Timothy 6:3-4 says that if any man does not consent to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Future sin forgiven?

No. Only past sins are forgiven: See 2 Peter 1:9, 1 John 1:9, Hebrews 10:26, Proverbs 28:13, Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11, Acts of the Apostles 8:22, and 1 Corinthians 5:9-13.

Good luck getting into heaven then

 

[JimBeta]

I think that those that think they do not sin anymore are the most pridefull people there are on this planet but hey, thats just my opinion

 

[JimBeta]

I get pridefull thoughts all the time, I chase them away, they are a torn in my eye. You are telling me I can not be humble? I am. The Spirit is in us but we are also made of flesh. We can not be without sin because we are still in the flesh. We can work on sin, and we can hate the sin inside us, but we can not be without sin.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Good luck getting into heaven then

That is no way an actual response to the Scripture verses I quoted. That is just a smart comment with no basis in God's Word.

Jesus says,
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I get pridefull thoughts all the time, I chase them away, they are a torn in my eye. You are telling me I can not be humble? I am. The Spirit is in us but we are also made of flesh. We can not be without sin because we are still in the flesh. We can work on sin, and we can hate the sin inside us, but we can not be without sin.

More Scripture and less opinion.

 

[JimBeta]

More Scripture and less opinion.

More love and understanding less pride.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

More love and understanding less pride.

It is not pride to want to discuss God's Word. Without Scripture, there is no true definition on what love is. A person can just make up their own version of love that is not true. So if you want to talk about salvation, pride, or love, please refer to Scripture or the Bible.

 

[JimBeta]

It is not pride to want to discuss God's Word. Without Scripture, there is no true definition on what love is. A person can just make up their own version of love that is not true. So if you want to talk about salvation, pride, or love, please refer to Scripture or the Bible.

If you do not value my input then just do nothing with it my friend.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you do not value my input then just do nothing with it my friend.

I am just asking you to back up what you say with Scripture. This is a Christian website and Christians do use the Bible, dear sir.

 

[JimBeta]

I am just asking you to back up what you say with Scripture. This is a Christian website and Christians do use the Bible, dear sir.

Please do not mock me.

 

[JimBeta]

I can do nothing about the pridefull thoughts, I ask God evertime to take them away. It is part of my flesh. I hate them, they are a thorn in my eye. If you believe I will not be saved because of something I can do nothing about and whitch I actually even hate, then that is your opinion and you should be able to back it up with the Bible that those that do a sin, which they can do nothing about and which they repent from each time, will not get saved. Do not mock me.

 

[fat wee robin]

But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” (James 4:6, 1984 NIV)

... does not say that the prideful cannot be saved. Based on what I said in my first post, God only saves the proud.

For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. (Romans 9:15-16, 1984 NIV)

Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. (Romans 9:18, 1984 NIV)

One of the problems of bible quoting christians is their selectiveness and editing .You assume that God having mercy , had nothing to do with the persons previous behaviour , and attitude .This assumption, that one knows and understands from one, or even two quotes , what is the truth of God's choice of those to whom He gives grace, is surely a dangerous one as it is leading many to perdition .
Those who counter ,but how much work will be the measure ,and so dismiss all work ,forget the widows mite ETC., it is how much you care to try to please God , even if you do not have much to give , He knows your motives .

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Please do not mock me.

How is telling you the facts about what Christians do here on the forums, and me telling you to back up what you say with Scripture equate with mocking you?

 

[fat wee robin]

The epitome of humilty is the acceptation that God alone is good and that all goodness finds it's source in Him. The moment I attribute any inherent goodness to myself, I deny God the glory due His name.
Our first parents were condemned for believing the idea that they could know good and evil apart from God.

There is great danger in this, as the 'publicy humble 'often love to destroy the joy of those who have found Christ by putting them in their place .I believe that
there are people who having been profoundly changed by God are GOOD naturally , but they are not thinking about being GOOD .There is no pride in their attitude ,nor even awareness of such -a kind of innocence ,which is almost entirely rare in western protestant culture, obsessed by their personal salvation, and very rarely by that pf the community .

 

[JimBeta]

How is telling you the facts about what Christians do here on the forums, and me telling you to back up what you say with Scripture equate with mocking you?

It is not what you said that was mockery, but how you said it. If you do not agree on that its okay. I understand that what I said has no value for you, so I will refrain from answering to you.

 

[Rescued One]

We are told to share the message. We don't prepare the soil or make the seed flourish. We tend to forget that God is the Master Gardener. Many people have hardened hearts.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If you meet a prideful sinner.
How would you tell him about Jesus, in order that he would be saved.
Keeping in mind, he will do what you say.

Would you tell him to humble himself (repent)?

If you do, then are you getting him to do a work, before/in order to getting saved.

What steps would he need to take, that aren't works, in order to be saved.


Keep in mind this verse: "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time"

This is a question for those who vainly throw "saved by grace, not works" verse at every opportunity.

Just curious - do you tell people who don't know Christ (aren't saved) to stop sinning (the definition of the word repent) in order for Christ to save them?

Do you think this is a good way for the unsaved to get into heaven? To build for themselves a tower of Babel?

 

[royal priest]

There is great danger in this, as the 'publicy humble 'often love to destroy the joy of those who have found Christ by putting them in their place.

Very true. It's important to make sure that we are speaking the truth in love. True humility and love are never absent from one another.

 

[Dave L]

If you meet a prideful sinner.
How would you tell him about Jesus, in order that he would be saved.
Keeping in mind, he will do what you say.

Would you tell him to humble himself (repent)?

If you do, then are you getting him to do a work, before/in order to getting saved.

What steps would he need to take, that aren't works, in order to be saved.


Keep in mind this verse: "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time"

This is a question for those who vainly throw "saved by grace, not works" verse at every opportunity.

I always say "if you believe, it is because you have eternal life". But many say "if you choose to believe you will merit eternal life" And the choosing to believe is a work and trust in self.

Then I follow by saying if you believe, you should be baptized and repent of your sins as God reveals them to you. So works follow salvation instead of leading to it.

 

[royal priest]

do you believe King David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Prior to those sinful acts, God called David " A man after My own heart." This heart was evidenced by his intense zeal for God's glory and a hatred for sin witnessed even in his youth.
Although months had passed and it took the conviction of Nathan to finally break David of his stubbornness, his sin does not wipe away the good testimony which he had before. If it did, then which of our sins renders us us unbelievers after all? Could we rightly judge that David was a Christian even after those incidents when years later, his sin of performing a census, angered the Lord enough to strike down 70,000 Israelites? When discerning one's profession of faith, we need to carefully consider the evidenced of Christian virtue prior to the sin committed even though what ultimately matters is the repentant response following sinful acts.