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So your changing your question now? It is Good that you agree that Jesus and the Apostles taught about the Sabbath in the NEW Testament.


I have always said we don’t have to wait until the Sabbath to do good.


What does that have to do with only gathering to worship on the Sabbath?


Everyday of the week is the day to love and do good.

Everyday of the week is the day to gather to worship Jesus, not just the Sabbath.


You are the one claiming people will be thrown into hell because the choose to gather to worship on the day the choose instead of the Sabbath.

False doctrine.


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I have always said we don’t have to wait until the Sabbath to do good.


What does that have to do with only gathering to worship on the Sabbath?


Everyday of the week is the day to love and do good.

Everyday of the week is the day to gather to worship Jesus, not just the Sabbath.


You are the one claiming people will be thrown into hell because the choose to gather to worship on the day the choose instead of the Sabbath.

False doctrine.


JLB

Who is telling to you wait to Sabbath to do Good? Those scriptures are the teachings of Jesus not me. Please post where I have ever stated that people will be thrown into hell because the choose to gather to worship on the day the choose instead of the Sabbath? Your making this up and saying things I have never said before. I will leave this between you and God. Yet here you still are full of accusations you cannot prove with God's WORD?
 
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How many commandments were there in the 10 Commandments? 9, 613, 10? (scripture please) What made up the OLD COVENANT?
What color was George Washington's white horse? (How many commandments were there in the 10 Commandments?) Seriously? (scripture please)

Hebrews 8:7, 13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. … 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. :wave:
 
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Really scripture please? Where does it say in the OLD Testament you cannot do good on the Sabbath?

It says if you do much as pick up sticks to kindle a fire, to cook a meal you are to be put to death.


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Numbers 15:32-36



Please post the scripture where Jesus forbade work on the Sabbath.

Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.


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Who is telling to you wait to Sabbath to do Good? Those scriptures are the teachings of Jesus not me. Please post where I have ever stated that people will be thrown into hell because the choose to gather to worship on the day the choose instead of the Sabbath? Your making this up and saying things I have never said before. I will leave this between you and God. Yet here you still are full of accusations you cannot prove with God's WORD?


Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.


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Who is telling to you wait to Sabbath to do Good? Those scriptures are the teachings of Jesus not me. Please post where I have ever stated that people will be thrown into hell because the choose to gather to worship on the day the choose instead of the Sabbath? Your making this up and saying things I have never said before. I will leave this between you and God. Yet here you still are full of accusations you cannot prove with God's WORD?


Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.


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Really scripture please? Where does it say in the OLD Testament you cannot do good on the Sabbath?
Let's reverse the question. I have asked you this one before.

You have made the point that Jesus said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath. But that was according to Jesus, not according to the law. The law makes no provision for good that violates the law. The Israelites knew that pulling a child out of well on the Sabbath was a Sabbath violation. That's why Jesus addressed it. "... they had nothing to say." They knew it was not lawful. The law was in conflict with itself.

Luke 14:5-6
Then he asked them, “If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?” 6 And they had nothing to say.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
 
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What color was George Washington's white horse? (How many commandments were there in the 10 Commandments?) Seriously? (scripture please)

Hebrews 8:7, 13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. … 13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. :wave:

Here Steve, I guess you could not find the scriptures let me help....

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

So God's LAW has 10 Commandments not 613 or 9 commandments. There are 10 Commandment spoken and written with GOD'S OWN finger on two tables of stone. *EXODUS 20:1-17.

These are different to the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT because they were the WORK of GOD ALONE and had a different purpose to the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVEANANT. *EXODUS 32:16; EXODUS 24:7.

Together it was both God's 10 Commandments written with God's OWN finger on two tables of Stone and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covanant that made of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 34:28; EXODUS 24:7

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Romans 3:20; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).

(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deuteronomy 12; 33; Exodus 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23).

The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). These were also included as part of the old covenant (Exodus 34:10-28; Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deuteronomy 12; 33; Exodus 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

Steve, your mixing up your shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172. It is the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC book of the covenant that point to the new. God's 10 COMMANDMENTS have the same role they always had and that is to give is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:8-11; PSALMS 119:172.

Hope this helps.
 
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It says if you do much as pick up sticks to kindle a fire, to cook a meal you are to be put to death.


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Numbers 15:32-36



Please post the scripture where Jesus forbade work on the Sabbath.

Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.


JLB

How does what you have written above answer the question to your claim earlier that doing good on the Sabbath was against the Mosaic law? You have not answered the question or provided any scriptures to answer the question asked of you. Here let me post it again for you...
LoveGodsWord said: Really scripture please? Where does it say in the OLD Testament you cannot do good on the Sabbath?

Hope this helps
 
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Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.
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So you changing your question again? Why would Jesus command the Church to only gather on the Sabbath? God's people gathered together everyday of the week. Who has ever said to you that we cannot gather on other days as well? We should worship God everyday but God has set aside a specific day as a HOLY day that no work is to be done as a memorial of creation and that is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH as commanded in God's 4th commandment.
 
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Let's reverse the question. I have asked you this one before.

You have made the point that Jesus said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath. But that was according to Jesus, not according to the law. The law makes no provision for good that violates the law. The Israelites knew that pulling a child out of well on the Sabbath was a Sabbath violation. That's why Jesus addressed it. "... they had nothing to say." They knew it was not lawful. The law was in conflict with itself.

Luke 14:5-6
Then he asked them, “If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?” 6 And they had nothing to say.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.

Here Steve let me add the CONTEXT you left out of the 4th Commandment as it defines what work God's 4th Commandment forbids.

EXODUS 20:9, SIX DAYS YOU SHALL LABOR AND DO ALL YOUR WORK

So the commandment clearly defines what work it is talking about. It is not talking about doing God's WORK or doing good to others. So yes it is accoding to God's LAW as well to do good on the Sabbath. The Pharisees however did not see it this way and this is what Jesus came to teach us about the SABBATH is the NEW TESTAMENT *MATTHEW 12:1-12.
 
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Here Steve, I guess you could not find the scriptures let me help....

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

So God's LAW has 10 Commandments not 613 or 9 commandments. There are 10 Commandment spoken and written with GOD'S OWN finger on two tables of stone. *EXODUS 20:1-17.

These are different to the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT because they were the WORK of GOD ALONE and had a different purpose to the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVEANANT. *EXODUS 32:16; EXODUS 24:7.

Together it was both God's 10 Commandments written with God's OWN finger on two tables of Stone and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the covanant that made of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 34:28; EXODUS 24:7

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Romans 3:20; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).

(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deuteronomy 12; 33; Exodus 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23).

The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). These were also included as part of the old covenant (Exodus 34:10-28; Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deuteronomy 12; 33; Exodus 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

Steve, your mixing up your shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172. It is the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC book of the covenant that point to the new. God's 10 COMMANDMENTS have the same role they always had and that is to give is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:8-11; PSALMS 119:172.

Hope this helps.
Those scriptures do not limit the law to the Ten Commandments. I knew where to find those scriptures, but they do not say what you are claiming.

The law is a singular thing. You are either under it, or not under it. Your choice.

Galatians 4:21, 28-31
Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? ...
28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 
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Here Steve let me add the CONTEXT you left out of the 4th Commandment as it defines what work God's 4th Commandment forbids.

EXODUS 20:9, SIX DAYS YOU SHALL LABOR AND DO ALL YOUR WORK

So the commandment clearly defines what work it is talking about. It is not talking about doing God's WORK or doing good to others. So yes it is accoding to God's LAW as well to do good on the Sabbath. The Pharisees however did not see it this way and this is what Jesus came to teach us about the SABBATH is the NEW TESTAMENT *MATTHEW 12:1-12.
Who is the "you" in the Sabbath commandment?

I don't buy the definition of work as being limited to the occupational work of the husband. Let's look at that again. Can you find the wife in this commandment? What occupations have the sons and daughters? Or the servants? Or the animals? Have you closed your town on the Sabbath to prevent "foreigners" from working? According to the Commandment. According to "God's LAW", as you would say.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
 
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So you changing your question again? Why would Jesus command the Church to only gather on the Sabbath? God's people gathered together everyday of the week. Who has ever said to you that we cannot gather on other days as well? We should worship God everyday but God has set aside a specific day as a HOLY day that no work is to be done as a memorial of creation and that is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH as commanded in God's 4th commandment.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.




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Those scriptures do not limit the law to the Ten Commandments. I knew where to find those scriptures, but they do not say what you are claiming.

The law is a singular thing. You are either under it, or not under it. Your choice.

Not really Steve, the scriptures you were provided were specifically limited to the 10 Commandments and say so by even stating how many commandments they were referring to. You did not read the post and the scriptures you were quoting from did you?

Galatians 4:21, 28-31 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? ... 28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Your only under the law if you stand guilty before God of breaking it .

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?
 
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Who is the "you" in the Sabbath commandment?

I don't buy the definition of work as being limited to the occupational work of the husband. Let's look at that again. Can you find the wife in this commandment? What occupations have the sons and daughters? Or the servants? Or the animals? Have you closed your town on the Sabbath to prevent "foreigners" from working? According to the Commandment. According to "God's LAW", as you would say.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.

The YOU in Sabbath commandment represents ALL mankind (male and female). Why do you think this commandment is only for the male? Do not the husband and the wife become one at marriage?

GENESIS 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (MATTHEW 19:5-6)
 
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Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9


Please post the scripture where Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship.




JLB


Yet here you are, full of false claims you cannot prove and are still not able to respond to a single question or scripture provided to you that disagrees with you. What have I stalled on? I have answered all your questions with God's WORD. Yet here you still are not being able to to respond to a single post with all the scriptures in them that disagree with your teachings.

Where have I ever said anywhere that Jesus commanded the Church to only gather on the Sabbath to worship? (please post the link). If I have NEVER said or claimed that Jesus said we should only gather on the Sabbath to worship, why make claims and argument no one has said to you? You are arguing with yourself now brother.

Why would Jesus command the Church to only gather on the Sabbath? God's people gathered together everyday of the week *ACTS 2:46-47. Who has ever said to you that we cannot gather on other days as well? We should worship God everyday but God has set aside a specific day as a HOLY day that no work is to be done as a memorial of creation and that is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH as commanded in God's 4th commandment.

All your questions have been answered with God's WORD and if so why do you not believe them. These are God's WORD not mine. It is the WORD of GOD that will be our judge come judgment day. *JOHN 12:47-48. There is nothing hidded that shall not be revealed * MATTHEW 10:26. Many are called but few are chosen *MATTHEW 22:14, because narrow is the way and few there be that find it *MATTHEW 7:13-14.
 
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Not really Steve, the scriptures you were provided were specifically limited to the 10 Commandments and say so by even stating how many commandments they were referring to. You did not read the post and the scriptures you were quoting from did you?



Your only under the law if you stand guilty before God of breaking it .

ROMANS 3:19-20 [19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?
You obviously didn't read my post. All the answers are there.
 
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The YOU in Sabbath commandment represents ALL mankind (male and female). Why do you think this commandment is only for the male? Do not the husband and the wife become one at marriage?

GENESIS 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (MATTHEW 19:5-6)
You obviously didn't read my post. All the answers are there.
 
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You obviously didn't read my post. All the answers are there.

Of course I did. You did not read the post you were responding to that is why I wrote what was written.
 
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