SDA

[BobRyan]

It's a laptop and nobody wants to work on it. Seems that all anyone works on anymore are the desktop models. Laptops, apparently, are a nightmare to work on and they now throw them away instead of fixing them---like printers and irons and ...….things are made to be disposed of now. I am not happy. It's only 4 years old and everybody talks as though that is ancient!!

"Geek Squad" wont touch it??

There are plastic lap top boards with fans in them .. get someone to take the back of your laptop computer off and just lay it on top of one of those lap-boards that have the fan. that should keep the lap top "cool" you just won't be carrying it around a lot.

 

[BobRyan]

It may be true that particular family members or yourself have been convicted by the Holy Spirit to do something, but that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit convicts everyone of the same thing.

John 16 -- the Holy Spirit is the "Spirit of truth" and guides into all truth. So I do agree with you that He is not convicting everyone on the same topic at the same point in time - but it always goes "the same direction". For example a Jew might not be convicted that Jesus is the Messiah "today" but could be convicted of that tomorrow. But what is most certainly true today is that the Holy Spirit is not trying to convict that Jew that "Jesus is NOT the Messiah" - today. No matter that they are rejecting Christ

My argument is against Christians as a whole being accountable under old covenant law.

The Ten Commandments are included in the moral law or God and as such are included in the Old Covenant and also the NEW Covenant were "the LAW of God is written on the heart" Jeremiah 31:31-33.

This is a bible fact admitted to by almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

[BobRyan]

So do I.........

Edit to add:
The SDA's do not practice full blown OC Judaism.......

True - because we know the difference between the OC and the NT where "God writes His Law on the heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

 

[mmksparbud]

"Geek Squad" wont touch it??

There are plastic lap top boards with fans in them .. get someone to take the back of your laptop computer off and just lay it on top of one of those lap-boards that have the fan. that should keep the lap top "cool" you just won't be carrying it around a lot.

It's on a fan, if that is what you mean, I bought an external fan that it lays on top of--there are 5 little fans in it. The back is still on it though, never thought of removing it---it still gets so hot that I then have to put ice packs on the thing!! Which is not easy to do!

What is Geek Squad??

 

[bekkilyn]

John 16 -- the Holy Spirit is the "Spirit of truth" and guides into all truth. So I do agree with you that He is not convicting everyone on the same topic at the same point in time - but it always goes "the same direction". For example a Jew might not be convicted that Jesus is the Messiah "today" but could be convicted of that tomorrow. But what is most certainly true today is that the Holy Spirit is not trying to convict that Jew that "Jesus is NOT the Messiah" - today. No matter that they are rejecting Christ

When it comes to core Christian truth such as Jesus being God, yes, the Spirit would convict everyone equally on that point, but when it's something that is practiced as a means of grace to help bring us closer in relationship to him, such as fasting, bible study, practicing a time of sabbath, meditation, etc., individual Christians have different spiritual needs and gifts. Or do you really believe that the Spirit would convict all of us into fasting for 40 days every year because so-and-so group of Christians does that?

The Ten Commandments are included in the moral law or God and as such are included in the Old Covenant and also the NEW Covenant were "the LAW of God is written on the heart" Jeremiah 31:31-33.

This is a bible fact admitted to by almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

The purpose of the old covenant, including the ten commandments was fulfilled by Jesus and replaced with the Holy Spirit under the new covenant of Jesus Christ. I know you don't agree, and it is your choice to follow the ten commandments as it is my choice to follow the Spirit.

 

[Cis.jd]

Hi Family,

What is SDA?

What is their doctrine?

Is it different than non-denom beliefs?

~Natsumi Lam~

Technically, most cults are defined by the amount of believers they have. They are made as a offshoot of a specific religion or denomination, the amount of people who believe in it's teachings isn't efficient enough to call it a sect or denomination yet. Once the cult increases in population, it slowly moves into the "religion" status and some are that delusional and think they are denomination (JW's, Mormons..). SDA is a protestant denomination now, but around 20+ years ago it could be viewed as a cult.

 

[BobRyan]

Technically, most cults are defined by the amount of believers they have. They are made as a offshoot of a specific religion or denomination, the amount of people who believe in it's teachings isn't efficient enough to call it a sect or denomination yet. Once the cult increases in population, it slowly moves into the "religion" status and some are that delusional and think they are denomination (JW's, Mormons..). SDA is a protestant denomination now, but around 20+ years ago it could be viewed as a cult.

Christianity Today wrote an article in Jan 22 of 2015 stating that the SDA church is the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world and one of the fastest growing if not the fastest growing.

Your statement that "cult is determined by size of group" sounds like creative writing - did you make that up or is that "Websters"??

The Christian church itself started "small" is it your claim that the Christian church itself used to be a cult??

 

[BobRyan]

Or do you really believe that the Spirit would convict all of us into fasting for 40 days every year because so-and-so group of Christians does that? .

If in some alternate reality God had some sort of call for all mankind to fast for 40 days every year at a certain time - it is reasonable to assume that not everyone would be convicted on that point at one time.

But my statement to you is that God the Holy Spirit would also not be convicting people that this was absolutely not what God wants. A person may believe that God does not want that - but it does not also mean that the Holy Spirit would be telling them that God is against the very thing He wants the world to be doing - in such an alternate reality where God in fact did wanted that very thing.

 

[FireDragon76]

It's a laptop and nobody wants to work on it. Seems that all anyone works on anymore are the desktop models. Laptops, apparently, are a nightmare to work on and they now throw them away instead of fixing them---like printers and irons and ...….things are made to be disposed of now. I am not happy. It's only 4 years old and everybody talks as though that is ancient!!

Laptops are difficult to work on, all the components are crammed together. So it's normal not to want to work on them. Alot of the components on the board are soldered down and cannot be easily replaced, anyways.

4 years old is actually old by home computer standards.

 

[BobRyan]

My argument is against Christians as a whole being accountable under old covenant law.

The Ten Commandments are included in the moral law or God and as such are included in the Old Covenant and also the NEW Covenant were "the LAW of God is written on the heart" Jeremiah 31:31-33.

This is a bible fact admitted to by almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

The purpose of the old covenant, including the ten commandments was fulfilled by Jesus and replaced with the Holy Spirit under the new covenant of Jesus Christ. I know you don't agree, and it is your choice to follow the ten commandments as it is my choice to follow the Spirit.

Everyone has free will - and you are of course free to differ with what I stated above about the fact that God's moral law defines what sin is - and this is true no matter if you are OC or NC -- so then it is a sin to take God's name in vain in both Old Covenant and New Covenant.

The Holy Spirit is the one that writes the Law of God on the heart under the New Covenant according to Romans 2 .. and I for one believe that as do the Christian groups I listed.

My point was simply to point out that this particular detail is not even remotely a distinctive of the SDA denomination - but that in fact most Christian denominations on Earth as in the example above also agree to this basic Bible detail in the form of their statements on faith and doctrine.

I am not claiming that no Christian differs with them on this - just that it is not remotely a case of "just SDAs know this".

 

[bekkilyn]

If in some alternate reality God had some sort of call for all mankind to fast for 40 days every year at a certain time - it is reasonable to assume that not everyone would be convicted on that point at one time.

But my statement to you is that God the Holy Spirit would also not be convicting people that this was absolutely not what God wants. A person may believe that God does not want that - but it does not also mean that the Holy Spirit would be telling them that God is against the very thing He wants the world to be doing - in such an alternate reality where God in fact did wanted that very thing.

Maybe instead of us trying to determine what the Holy Spirit is asking other people to do then, we concern ourselves with being open to what the Holy Spirit wants *us* to do as individuals. God has a unique relationship with everyone and mine is not going to look exactly the same as yours.

 

[BobRyan]

Maybe instead of us trying to determine what the Holy Spirit is asking other people to do then, we concern ourselves with being open to what the Holy Spirit wants *us* to do as individuals. God has a unique relationship with everyone and mine is not going to look exactly the same as yours.

There is no question that each person is unique and the Holy Spirit does not bring everyone to the same point at the same time. What is more different people will tend to see different aspects of the same truth coming at it from different backgrounds.

But there is such a thing as true doctrine and false doctrine all the same even from God's POV.

 

[mmksparbud]

Laptops are difficult to work on, all the components are crammed together. So it's normal not to want to work on them. Alot of the components on the board are soldered down and cannot be easily replaced, anyways.

4 years old is actually old by home computer standards.

Groan

 

[BobRyan]

Because they are ignorant.

Walter Martin called it a cult in his book Kingdom of the Cults. But he was wrong, but because he was respected, people to this day call them a cult.

Walter Martin did not call the Seventh-day Adventist church a cult in that book. Rather in that book Martin refuted Robert Hoekema's book on Cults where Hoekema had called Adventists a cult. See the appendix to Kingdom of the Cults -- where Martin deals with the topic of Seventh-day Adventists.

 

[BobRyan]

The church's beliefs and doctrines were first published in 1872 in Battle Creek Michigan as a brief statement called "A Synopsis of our Faith". The church experienced challenges as it formed its core beliefs and doctrines especially as a number of the early Adventist leaders came from churches that held to some form of Arianism (Ellen G. White was not one of them). This, along with some of the movement's other theological views, led to a consensus among conservative evangelical Protestants to regard it as a cult.​

refuted by Walter Martin.

What is interesting is that the 1872 statement is still held by the church to be true - to this very day.

 

[klutedavid]

It's on a fan, if that is what you mean, I bought an external fan that it lays on top of--there are 5 little fans in it. The back is still on it though, never thought of removing it---it still gets so hot that I then have to put ice packs on the thing!! Which is not easy to do!

What is Geek Squad??

Check the vents on your laptop, they are probably full of dust. The laptop is probably not breathing and that helps to overheat it.

 

[BobRyan]

The Seventh-day Adventist church is NOT Arianian, but are Arminian. Arianian believes Christ was a created being, which is NOT a belief of SDA, but of JW.

That is true.

However there were some key leaders of the Adventist church in the 1800's that did not accept the Trinity. The 1872 statement of Adventists did not oppose the Trinity but also did not make a clear statement on it one way or the other.

 

[BobRyan]

The SDAs are followers of Ellen White, who claimed to have several visions of Jesus. She also made several prophecies including the date that Jesus would return. He didn't.

Ellen White never published any claim or made any prediction about the date of Christ's return. As a teenager (before the SDA denomination exists.. as she was then a United Methodist that followed the teachings of a Baptist preacher named William Miller at that time) - she "believed" in the dates Miller was promoting. But at that time there was no SDA and she was no prophet.

 

[bekkilyn]

The Ten Commandments are included in the moral law or God and as such are included in the Old Covenant and also the NEW Covenant were "the LAW of God is written on the heart" Jeremiah 31:31-33.

This is a bible fact admitted to by almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.



Everyone has free will - and you are of course free to differ with what I stated above about the fact that God's moral law defines what sin is - and this is true no matter if you are OC or NC -- so then it is a sin to take God's name in vain in both Old Covenant and New Covenant.

The Holy Spirit is the one that writes the Law of God on the heart under the New Covenant according to Romans 2 .. and I for one believe that as do the Christian groups I listed.

My point was simply to point out that this particular detail is not even remotely a distinctive of the SDA denomination - but that in fact most Christian denominations on Earth as in the example above also agree to this basic Bible detail in the form of their statements on faith and doctrine.

I am not claiming that no Christian differs with them on this - just that it is not remotely a case of "just SDAs know this".

You are correct in that the SDA is not the only denomination to get the covenants confused. Taking God's name in vain is a sin under the new covenant because Jesus told us to love God and misusing his name would not be a loving act.

The Holy Spirit *is* God in us and it is the Spirit that determines what is lawful in our hearts, not two stone tablets of an obsolete covenant that God intended as temporary until the Seed came to fulfill it.

 

[BobRyan]

I can assure you, the sda members I met all believed heaven hinges on obeying the ten commandments.

Certainly it is true that SDAs do not believe in OSAS and they do believe the teaching of Christ in Matthew 7 "by their fruits you shall know them" and they do not believe that the saints will be "taking God's name in vain" all the way to the kingdom (So to speak).

But so do most other Christians believe that - who also accept the Gospel fact that we are saved by grace through faith under the New Covenant. That part is not unique to SDAs.