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Creationists: Explain how life was created.

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Really? Aren't they "missing", as you use the term?
Because I'm pretty certain that any and all direct evidence that my great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother existed is pretty much missing.

Oh no, in fact you can trace humans quite aways back. What's up with your strawman? But it's only the point where the two need to diverge is where nothing can be found.....


Considering such diverging doesn't happen within a single life time, why would you assume anything but them disappearing?
Exactly, so they should have left at least some kind of evidence of divergence since it didn't happen instantly.....

But since there was no global flood from below to bury them....

I mean, does it really need to be explained that no members of a 7 million year old population are still alive today?

Because no members of a population lived 7 million years ago....... Don't confuse the reality of time with your delusions.......
 
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You seem confused.
I haven't claimed at all that abiogenesis is a solved puzzle.

Scientists working in that field, doing actual research and experiments, are trying to solve it.
See, rational intellectually honest people don't just assume the answers before asking the questions. No. They first ask the question, investigate the question, gather data/evidence, try to come up with possible answers (hypothesis), then go on and test that hypothesis, form conclusions and repeat.

I actually respect the work they do.
You? You seem more interested in standing on the sidelines screaming that they have no clue what they are doing while waving a 2500 year old religious book, pretending that it holds any answers.

But hey..... whatever makes you sleep at night.
You can continue waving that book. Meanwhile, actual scientists will continue working and actually make progress.

You sure keep talking about it like it has been solved when you do talk about it. It's only when confronted that you back pedal....

But whatever lets you sleep at night is more apt.....

They wont make any progress...... They will continue to propose theory, you'll believe it true, then in another few years that will be shown unworkable. Then someone will propose a new theory, you'll believe that to be true, then in another few years...... and on and on and on and you'll never have a theory of the origins of life because you reject the only theory that has a possibility of explaining it. Not that scientists will ever bother to admit to that design. Well they admit to it, they then just blank their minds and claim it only appears that way......
 
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But the invisible man can be known to exist by the evidence he leaves behind

Which is why I changed it into "undetectable man", to be more on par with the unfalsifiable nature of the god AV believes in.


You know, that design that is so apparent in biological systems that Dawkins was forced to go to an alien race creating man to avoid the logical conclusion......


LOL!!!!!

Dishonest creationist propaganda makes another victim..... See, this is just one more example of how we can know that you are not honest, or at least that you are incredibly ill-informed.

Here's the background of that story.....


Ben Stein makes a creationist propaganda flick called "Expelled: no intelligence allowed". He tries to get some big names for interviews for in the flick. Dawkins is a prime target. However, he knows that Dawkins has far too much integrity and dignity to willingly participate in a show where the goal literally is anti-science propaganda. So, he lies. He says it's an educational documentary about science instead. Dawkins accepts.

During the interview, Dawkins is asked the following question:
"Let's suppose that first life was in fact designed. Given that assumptions, what would be your explanation?"

So effectively, Dawkins is asked to bend over backwards and ASSUME that life is designed and to then give his "best guess" as to how that could have come about.

Dawkins, already sensing that something fishy is going on, answers something along the lines of that the only reasonable option seems to be that some advanced alien civilisation seeded life on earth to terraform the planet and that evolution took over from there. He immediatly goes on to say that those aliens themselves also must have had to come about through some darwinian mechanism and with some kind of origin of life.

He goes on to explain how this doesn't solve the question of how life can come about at all and reïterates that he was asked to bend over backwards for no particular reason - since there is no reason to assume life was designed at all, and that this assumptions just moves the question of how life came about to another planet in another time.

But that part is off course quickly edited/cut and doesn't show up in the final "documentary".

See....

So this is the level of discourse we get from you.
Lies upon lies upon lies.
Misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
References to sources that are blatantly intellectually dishonest. And simply dishonest, full stop.



I notice you don't have a problem with Dark Matter or Dark Energy which can never be seen or directly detected....

Neither can a black hole.
There's indirect detection there.

And no, I don't have any problem with any provisional scientific explanation. Precisely because of its provisional and scientific nature.

If tomorrow dark matter is refuted and replaced with something that fits the evidence better, I won't be weeping. I'll be cheering. My world won't come crumbling down. Instead, new worlds will open up.

Can you say the same as a fundamentalist theist?
I say you can't. In fact, if I've learned anything from fundamentalist theists, it seems as if their whole world will collapse if they find out that their religious beliefs are wrong. Some even go so far as saying that their fundamentalist belief is the only thing that keeps them from going on killing sprees.

So that unfalsifiable nature strawman only comes into belief by you when it comes to God, right??????

No, only in your fantasies.
 
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Exactly, so they should have left at least some kind of evidence of divergence since it didn't happen instantly.....

Like a fossil that somehow displayed features showing a "transitioning" between the two lineages? If only we had such a thing. :scratch:
 
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Yes, in terms of evidence and testability, God has very much in common with the "invisible man".
Would the invisible man leave cause-and-effect evidence behind? such as people testifying of his existence, people out looking for him, those sorts of things?
 
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Oh no, in fact you can trace humans quite aways back.

You can trace ancestors back.


What's up with your strawman?

Strawman?
You're the one who's always complaining about ancestors being "missing", right?

But it's only the point where the two need to diverge is where nothing can be found.....

You mean like my great, great, great, great, great,... grandmother, where there was a divergence between my lineage and that of my distant cousin?

Exactly, so they should have left at least some kind of evidence of divergence since it didn't happen instantly.....

They did. It's right there, in our collective DNA......

Because no members of a population lived 7 million years ago....... Don't confuse the reality of time with your delusions.......

Right. I forget. You think the world is only 6000 years old.
That's a mistake of the same category as saying that the US measures only 1 mile from coast to coast.
 
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You sure keep talking about it like it has been solved when you do talk about it.


No, I don't. Stop lying.
In fact, I barely ever speak about abiogenesis.

It's only when confronted that you back pedal....

Link me to a single post where I have ever stated anything close to abiogenesis being a solved puzzle or appologize for your continued lying.

They wont make any progress...... They will continue to propose theory, you'll believe it true, then in another few years that will be shown unworkable. Then someone will propose a new theory, you'll believe that to be true, then in another few years...... and on and on and on and you'll never have a theory of the origins of life because you reject the only theory that has a possibility of explaining it. Not that scientists will ever bother to admit to that design. Well they admit to it, they then just blank their minds and claim it only appears that way......

I always love it when you, random internet poster, pretend to know better then just about any working scientist in any field.
 
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Not unless the "Urantia revelation" (whatever that may be) is testable in empirical reality.



That's nice. But it sounds a little to vaguely poetic for my taste, to be usefull.



So how does one test that?
Revelation isn’t always testable but it is inherently authoritative.

Understanding everything about life is not a prerequisite for being conscious within it.

For those who actively work against God, no amount of proof will ever satisfy them.
 
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Would the invisible man leave cause-and-effect evidence behind?

The undetectable man wouldn't. Neither would the inter-dimensional golden unicorn.

such as people testifying of his existence, people out looking for him, those sorts of things?

Ow you mean like Visjnoe and Thor?
 
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Revelation isn’t always testable but it is inherently authoritative.

Sure. But "inherently authoritative" and "accurate" are two very different animals.


For those who actively work against God, no amount of proof will ever satisfy them.

That sounds like a nonsensical statement, as someone who "actively works against X" must acknowledge that X exists....
 
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The undetectable man wouldn't.
Get the Arab phone ... it's ringing.

How did we go from "invisible" to "undetectable"?
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Neither would the inter-dimensional golden unicorn.
Hmmm ... let me get this straight.

A golden unicorn would not leave cause-and-effect evidence behind; just because he's interdimensonal?

I can see it now.

A unicorn shows up, knocks over a lamp, then disappears into another dimension and the knocked over lamp is what? evidence that it just decided to fall over?
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Ow you mean like Visjnoe and Thor?
Do they have the history of the earth divided into BC/AD, used by scientists in their [scientists'] documentation?
 
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Sure. But "inherently authoritative" and "accurate" are two very different animals.




That sounds like a nonsensical statement, as someone who "actively works against X" must acknowledge that X exists....
You invest quite a lot of your life on this forum working against those who believe in something that you don't think exits. That seems like a nonsensical activity?
 
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Get the Arab phone ... it's ringing.
How did we go from "invisible" to "undetectable"?

I changed it 2 posts ago, since "undetectable" is more appropriate as an analogy.

A golden unicorn would not leave cause-and-effect evidence behind; just because he's interdimensonal?

Sure. He's out of phase. Didn't you ever watch Stargate SG1?


I can see it now.
A unicorn shows up, knocks over a lamp, then disappears into another dimension and the knocked over lamp is what? evidence that it just decided to fall over?Do they have the history of the earth divided into BC/AD, used by scientists in their [scientists'] documentation?

No, the inter-dimensionality type I'm thinking of means that the unicorn is out of phase with our dimension, meaning that he won't be knocking over any lamps. He could try, but he'll just swing right through it.

And apparantly you aren't aware either that plenty of other cultures / religions, have their own calendar....
 
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You invest quite a lot of your life on this forum working against those who believe in something that you don't think exits.

It's less time then you think.
But you just changed it up. Working against "those who believe" = humans that actually demonstrably exist.
Previously, you were talking about working against "god".

That seems like a nonsensical activity?

Very few online activities who's main purpose is to kill time and/or entertain, are sensical.

:D
 
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Not that scientists will ever bother to admit to that design. Well they admit to it, they then just blank their minds and claim it only appears that way......

This is where I'm trying to get creationists to bring something to the table. You want scientists to accept design? Cool, then bring something to the table: explain how fully-formed biological organisms are created.

Just a working model, hypothesis, pure speculation, something would be nice.

Instead, you guys just give up the moment you're pushed to provide something.
 
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This is where I'm trying to get creationists to bring something to the table. You want scientists to accept design? Cool, then bring something to the table: explain how fully-formed biological organisms are created.

Just a working model, hypothesis, pure speculation, something would be nice.

Instead, you guys just give up the moment you're pushed to provide something.

Let's be honest here. It can't be done. When God said "Let the earth bring forth" there is NO explanation how that happened. When God formed man out of the dust of the Earth and breathed into him, there is no explanation or hypothesis as to how exactly that happened. How does a sinful, finite, limited man understand or comprehend the ways of a holy, infinite all powerful being? How do you possibly begin to grasp a power that is so far beyond your comprehension? How do you offer any explanation how exactly God created the cell when we have no comprehension of the power of such a being who can create and command things to come into being that weren't there before? This is a foolish exercise.
 
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Let's be honest here. It can't be done.

Not with that attitude it won't.

The world is full of "can't doers". I'm looking for some can-doers. Apparently they aren't to be found on this forum (among creationists at least).
 
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Let's be honest here. It can't be done. When God said "Let the earth bring forth" there is NO explanation how that happened. When God formed man out of the dust of the Earth and breathed into him, there is no explanation or hypothesis as to how exactly that happened. How does a sinful, finite, limited man understand or comprehend the ways of a holy, infinite all powerful being? How do you possibly begin to grasp a power that is so far beyond your comprehension? How do you offer any explanation how exactly God created the cell when we have no comprehension of the power of such a being who can create and command things to come into being that weren't there before? This is a foolish exercise.

So.... all you have, are just religious claims?
 
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