Creationists: Explain how life was created.

[AV1611VET]

What science does do is function as a tool by which we can investigate the natural universe and deduce things that way.

But not in Genesis 1.

Birds' wings can propel them for miles through the air; but those same wings won't work underwater.

In short, science is myopic.

Which leads us to the origin of species being the result of evolutionary development over time from common ancestral populations.

Wrong map, wrong route.

 

[pitabread]

But not in Genesis 1.

Genesis 1 isn't the universe. I'm talking about investigating the universe.

Wrong map, wrong route.

It's what the universe reveals.

Don't like that? I guess you'll have to take that up with the big guy upstairs.

 

[rjs330]

If it's that much of a mystery, how do you know that God did not act (at least in some instances) through natural processes?

He does as we can actually see. In the case of original creation if he did usr natural processes they happened in a day and it happened differently than evolution teaches.

Bottom line God doesn't provide details other than to say he spoke and commanded and it happened in a very short period of time. How he did that by his power? I have no idea.

 

[Aman777]

We sure look that way though. Makes you wonder that if we were created, why were we created with the appearance of having evolved?

Humans lost our likeness as God when Adam sinned and was found in the likeness of flesh as was the likeness of the sons of God (prehistoric people). We will regain our perfect bodies at the Rapture when this corruption shall put on incorruption. 1Th 4:17

If creationists bothered to investigate how species were created maybe they could start answering some of those questions.

Jesus made them with His own Hands and breathed life into them. If evolutionists bothered to investigate HOW living creatures were created, they wouldn't have to keep trying to convince us that they know more than God.

BTW, You keep using the wrong word for "create". The word today means to make something. In Genesis, the word "create" designates God the Trinity's eternal kinds (Their kinds) from the temporary kinds made by Jesus. (His kinds).

Adam was formed by Lord God/Jesus on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7
Adam was "created" by God the Trinity on the 6th Day Genesis 1:27 and John 14:16 since ONLY God the Trinity creates eternally.

 

[pitabread]

Bottom line God doesn't provide details other than to say he spoke and commanded and it happened in a very short period of time. How he did that by his power? I have no idea.

It's kind of interesting that on the one hand, you claim there aren't enough details to explain how it happened. On the other hand, you've already decided how it happened.

 

[pitabread]

Jesus made them with His own Hands and breathed life into them. If evolutionists bothered to investigate HOW living creatures were created, they wouldn't have to keep trying to convince us that they know more than God.

Scientists have investigated how species were created: the answer is by evolution.

If you want to argue otherwise, you need to explain how it could otherwise occur. You and every other creationist here is failing to do so.

BTW, You keep using the wrong word for "create". The word today means to make something. In Genesis, the word "create" designates God the Trinity's eternal kinds (Their kinds) from the temporary kinds made by Jesus. (His kinds).

I'm not playing semantics games here. You know what I'm talking about.

 

[rjs330]

Don't care. Do it anyway.

It's easy to claim "impossible" to avoid challenging yourself with answering the difficult questions. That's just an excuse though.

So far this thread is nothing but excuses and defensiveness. I (honestly) expected better from you guys.

Really? You expected us to explain the unknowable? You had a pretty high expectation. Your inability to answer my questions is evidence that you are being hypocritical in demanding someone do something you yourself are incapable of doing. Which is answer the unknowable.

 

[Speedwell]

It's kind of interesting that on the one hand, you claim there aren't enough details to explain how it happened. On the other hand, you've already decided how it happened.

A literal interpretation of Genesis trumps all human knowledge and understanding.

 

[Aman777]

It's not an assumption. It's a conclusion.

Amen. It's the wrong conclusion of people who have rejected God's Truth of the flood. Peter calls them the Scoffers of the last days, since they are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's Universe was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3-7

If you really want to replace biological evolution as an explanation for the diversity of species on Earth, you need something equivalent to replace it with. Unfortunately as this thread demonstrates, creationists not only don't have anything but can't even seem to be bothered to undertake that.

False. God told us of descent with modification within His and Their kinds more than 3k years ago. Only in the past 200 years has Humanity been deceived into thinking we magically evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. Trump and evolutionists call us "animals".

 

[Aman777]

Scientists have investigated how species were created: the answer is by evolution.

If you want to argue otherwise, you need to explain how it could otherwise occur. You and every other creationist here is failing to do so.

False, since evolution is a man made concept and has NO power to create anything. Science falsely ASSUMES that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. God shows that Humans (Adam) was made to have dominion or rule over ALL other living creatures. Gen 1:28 That is WHY Humans were given the superior intelligence of God Genesis 3:22 instead of the unknowing, innocent intelligence of animals.

 

[pitabread]

False, since evolution is a man made concept and has NO power to create anything.

The process of evolution is how new species are created in nature.

Evolutionary algorithms are also used in industrial design/engineering to create various things as well such an antenna, circuit design and so on.

 

[pitabread]

Really? You expected us to explain the unknowable?

I expect you guys to not give up at the first sign of challenge. I was wrong.

Your inability to answer my questions is evidence that you are being hypocritical in demanding someone do something you yourself are incapable of doing.

I'm not the one making claims about the existence of supernatural entities nor the creation of fully-formed species. It's not my job to make your case for you.

Truth is I have absolutely no idea how one would define a supernatural entity nor explain how it functions. Which is why I'm not making positive claims about the supernatural.

 

[pitabread]

It's the wrong conclusion of people who have rejected God's Truth of the flood. Peter calls them the Scoffers of the last days, since they are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's Universe was totally destroyed in the flood.

I know. This is the stock Biblical reference every creationist pulls out when they are losing an argument.

 

[Aman777]

The process of evolution is how new species are created in nature.

No. That is descent with modification within kinds over time in a population.

Evolutionary algorithms are also used in industrial design/engineering to create various things as well such an antenna, circuit design and so on.

The programmer is the Human intelligence which creates the algorithms. The program is NOT the creator. No wonder you are so confused.

 

[Aman777]

I know. This is the stock Biblical reference every creationist pulls out when they are losing an argument.

Losing? My Father owns everything and He's giving it to me, SO how can an immortal being who will live in Paradise forever, lose? Only unbelievers lose. Atheists, agnostics and evolution preachers, lose in the end.

 

[rjs330]

It's kind of interesting that on the one hand, you claim there aren't enough details to explain how it happened. On the other hand, you've already decided how it happened.

Merely stating the obvious. You asked for details of how. I said how, just no details because they aren't provided. Its like saying someone built a skyscraper, but you are unable to provide the how because you have no idea. It's like bringing an ancient man and showing him a rocket ship and say someone built that then asking him the details on how it was built. He couldn't do it.

 

[rjs330]

I expect you guys to not give up at the first sign of challenge. I was wrong.



I'm not the one making claims about the existence of supernatural entities nor the creation of fully-formed species. It's not my job to make your case for you.

Truth is I have absolutely no idea how one would define a supernatural entity nor explain how it functions. Which is why I'm not making positive claims about the supernatural.

Which is why it's called faith. A personal experience with God is about faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. Faith is required. You don't believe, that's fine. You don't have to answer to me. I didn't see Christ die and raise from the dead . I still believe by faith. I have no physical scientific evidence that it happened. In fact science would tell you it's impossible. Yet I believe. I have faith. I havr no problem admitting there are things that are unknowable. I also don't demand that others explain the unknowable and then dismiss them when they can't. It's kind of silly really.

 

[Speedwell]

Which is why it's called faith. A personal experience with God is about faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. Faith is required. You don't believe, that's fine. You don't have to answer to me. I didn't see Christ die and raise from the dead . I still believe by faith. I have no physical scientific evidence that it happened. In fact science would tell you it's impossible. Yet I believe. I have faith. I havr no problem admitting there are things that are unknowable. I also don't demand that others explain the unknowable and then dismiss them when they can't. It's kind of silly really.

Oh, the "dead guy" argument. I thought you were above that sort of thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll give this a shot:

1. God takes some dust of the ground.

2. He arranges its molecules ... taking some away ... adding some in ... to make the right arrangement of CHNO + whatever other elements we are.

3. He then injects this "dustman" with vital energy, orgone, odic force, chi, secret ingredient, or whatever you care to call it and presto ... Adam.

Bumped for Hans Blaster to enjoy.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Bumped for Hans Blaster to enjoy.

So it's just meaningless stuff you made up. That's what I figured.