Jesus is our sabbath

[Doug Melven]

I have little insight on the Mosaic law, since I'm still learning. Are the sins that Jesus telling us not to do in terms of morality/ethics? Or is there no distinction and Sabbath is a moral thing.

This stuff can get confusing with all the different views. there are 613 laws or so. I'd get a conviction if I did something morally wrong, but no conviction if I don't observe the 7th day. I'm not seeing anywhere where Jesus wants us to keep the 7th day. If he does I don't mind doing it, but for now I don't see it.

Jesus brought the law back to its pristine standard. The Pharisees had made God's law all about fleshly behavior.
Jesus showed it was all a matter of the heart. What you think in your heart is where the sin begins. The outward acts just show what is in the heart.

The Sabbath is all about trusting God.
When the Sabbath was given, it was in connection with God's provision of bread.
The first five days they were to gather just enough manna for that day. If they tried to gather more and keep it till the next day, showing they did not trust God to give more the next day, it bred worms and stunk.
On the sixth day, they were to gather double and keep some for the Sabbath the next day, and the extra did not breed worms and stink.
This process taught them that God would provide for them so they would trust Him.
So the Sabbath is really about trust, but the Pharisees made a whole bunch of rules to observe the day, thereby making it a burden.

Today, we trust Jesus, He is the True Bread from Heaven.

There is value in observing a day of rest, but it should not be all about the rules, but about trusting God.
Don't do servile work on that day, trust God for your provision.

 

[BobRyan]

I like the title of this thread - it is a perfect example of a statement that is found nowhere in the entire Bible.

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" which includes the Sabbath commandment.
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
1 John 5:2-3 "This IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
1 John 3:4 "Sin IS - transgression of the LAW"
1 John 2:1 "these things I write that you SIN not"
"the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Ex 20:10
"God rested on the SEVENTH day... blessed.. sanctified the Sabbath" Ex 20:11 Gen 2:3

How do you address these verses then?

Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

Leviticus 23 - annual Sabbath days "feasts" based on animal sacrifices all given as shadows pointing forward to Christ's death and ending at the cross. "Christ our PASSOVER has been slain" 1 Cor 5

Colossians 2 is not about condemning the Bible - it is about condemning the "Commandments of men" as the text says specifically.

(There is a thread on Col 2)

Galatians 4
8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

Galatians 4 asks the formerly-pagan gentiles of Galatia about their former life as pagans - and about a practice of returning "back again" to their former practice of observing pagan days of worship


11 I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.


Paul keeps "Passover" even in the book of acts and does not regard Passover as "a pagan day of worship". Yet in Gal 4:11 Paul flat out condemns the Christians in Galatia if they should dare observe even one of their former pagan days of worship.

So would these prove that Sabbath can be any day?

No. To prove that you would need a bible text that said "the Sabbath can be kept on any day and is not restricted as in God's Word - to the 7th day".

Or something like that.

Also sabbath is a day of rest, you cannot work or go buying things, start a fire. Why would we be under the law again.

For Christians under the NEW Covenant the "LAW is written on the heart" Hebrews 8:6-12

For Christians under the NEW Covenant Paul asks "do we then abolish the LAW by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31.

"What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments continue in the NEW Covenant - and written on the heart.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

 

[BobRyan]

"the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh)" Ex 20:10

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

There is value in observing a day of rest, but it should not be all about the rules, but about trusting God.
Don't do servile work on that day, trust God for your provision.

God is being a bit more specific than that - in the actual text.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hmm now where does it say in all of God's WORD that Jesus is a Sabbath? Every scripture I have ever seen in God's WORD relating to the Sabbath is that it is the SEVENTH DAY of the week. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9

 

[Doug Melven]

"the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh)" Ex 20:10

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.



God is being a bit more specific than that - in the actual text.

You say that like I missed something. What did I miss?
Exodus
20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

 

[BobRyan]

"the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh)" Ex 20:10

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

There is value in observing a day of rest, but it should not be all about the rules, but about trusting God.
Don't do servile work on that day, trust God for your provision.

God is being a bit more specific than that - in the actual text.

You say that like I missed something. What did I miss?

Exodus
20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day is The Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed The Sabbath day, and hallowed it

It is rest for both you and those who are with you including animals - and it is specifically the "seventh day" --

In Isaiah 66:23 it is a day for worship for all mankind
In Lev 23:3 the weekly Sabbath is a day of "Holy Convocation"
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

 

[JohnB445]

Ok my view is starting to change. We should keep it like it was in the Bible. I'll look more into this

 

[BobRyan]

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day

Are Christians really required to obey the Word of God?

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

I choose the Bible.

Ok my view is starting to change. We should keep it like it was in the Bible. I'll look more into this

Nice!

God's Word is best!

Ex 20:8-11 a day of rest
Lev 23:3 a day of corp worship "holy convocation"
Is 66:23 a day to come before God and bow down in worship
Isaiah 58:13 a day to avoid all secular activity and speaking

 

[Saint Steven]

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that His Law is not too difficult for His people to obey and I believe Him, do you?

Three questions:
1) To whom was he speaking? You say "His people". Who was it really?
2) Of what law was he speaking?
3) Do you wear tassels? (not too difficult) Don't forget the blue cord. Very important.

 

[Saint Steven]

Ok my view is starting to change. We should keep it like it was in the Bible. I'll look more into this

Don't do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

 

[FireDragon76]

The Sabbath has a greater and deeper meaning than it ever did before under the new covenant for Christians. Saturdays were a forerunner, a small glimpse of the perfection and beauty of the Christian Sabbath which is a spiritual rest which is naturally better than a literal day of physical (flesh) rest. The true Sabbath is a rest for the spirit and soul rather than our carnal flesh.

Christ fulfilled the Sabbath for us on Holy Saturday when God indeed rested from all his works.

 

[Karola]

Ok my view is starting to change. We should keep it like it was in the Bible. I'll look more into this

If you want to follow a specific Saturday Sabbath, that is entirely up to you. You are no better off if you do, and not worse off if you do not.

But consider the facts for a moment. The law for the believer is not a law written in ink, but one written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God. The new covenant stands on two core points. The law is written in your mind and placed on your heart by the Spirit, and your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. No seventh day Adventist instinctively knew from within they should follow a seventh day Sabbath, they only came to that conclusion by reading what is written in ink in the bible. That is not where the law is for the believer under the new covenant. Which proves, the Spirit of the living God did not write on any believers mind and place on any believers heart they should follow a Saturday Sabbath, for if he did, they would know it, they would not have to look to where the law is not placed for a believer to know it
Therefore, as the Spirit of the living God did not write that law in yours or anyone elses mind or heart it becomes a ''disputable matter'' You are entitled to take whichever view you choose. Paul wrote of such:

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarrelling over disputable matters Rom14:1

Two are mentioned in the chapter:
One person considers one day more sacred/holy than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. verse 5

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean verse 14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. verse20

 

[Karola]

Ok my view is starting to change. We should keep it like it was in the Bible. I'll look more into this

Scriptural proof of what I previously wrote

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2cor3:3

This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
Jeremiah31:33

This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
Heb8:10

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
Heb10:16&17

 

[Dkh587]

Where does any Scripture
say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

 

[Saint Steven]

Where does any Scripture
say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

 

[Danthemailman]

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day or else they take the mark of the beast as some SDA claim?

Absolutely not. - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

 

[Dkh587]

Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Where does that verse say anything about Jesus being our Sabbath?

 

[Saint Steven]

Where does that verse say anything about Jesus being our Sabbath?

What is your definition of Sabbath? (rest) Who is speaking in this verse? (Jesus)
Jesus is saying our rest (Sabbath) is in him. Jesus is our Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

 

[Saint Steven]

This passage is often misused to claim that the Sabbath is still in force. It says the opposite.

Hebrews 4:4-11
For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

 

[BobRyan]

Three questions:
1) To whom was he speaking? You say "His people". Who was it really?
2) Of what law was he speaking?
3) Do you wear tassels? (not too difficult) Don't forget the blue cord. Very important.

Two questions

1. Are you under the New Covenant?
2 To whom is He speaking Jer 31:31-33

Two more questions.
1. Is it a sin for you to take God's name in vain Ex 20:7
2. To whom is He speaking? Ex 20:1-2