#MeToo Smearing Men Like Judge Kavanaugh 3,000 Years Ago

[RestoreTheJoy]

So, do you want a sexual predator in an office such as President or SCOTUS? Did you vote for Trump? He and Clinton are sexual predators and should not hold office and if Kavanaugh's accusers are believable, should he have a life time appointment.

No, I don't, but they both were elected.

Kavanaugh's accuser has to have some evidence to support the accusations, some details, such as Broaddrick had (who was still disbelieved, and even threatened by Hillary - a threat not without teeth, given some news reports).

 

[AnnaDeborah]

If you start with the assumption that every accusation is true you undermine the legal system based on the presumption of innocence.

I did not say that. What I said was

You can't just assume a woman is lying because she makes an allegation about a man you respect or admire, any more than you should assume that he is guilty.

Saying that you shouldn't assume someone is lying is very different from saying you should assume they are telling the truth. What should happen is that the evidence is weighed and further action is or is not taken depending on the quality of that evidence. Instead, what you seem to have in this situation is 'trial by media and public opinion' which does no one any favours. Least of all genuine abuse victims who have a hard enough time getting justice without the distraction of a media circus.

 

[Kaon]

God's recommendations are always good ones. The danger here is that you can have done nothing wrong and be falsely accused for reasons of jealousy, finance, politics, etc...

How to 'Christine Blasey Ford-Proof' Your Son

It is still better than knowing you only sleep with one person, and being able to tell the truth even if you prosecutors try to twist your innocence. While it is true the innocent are convicted as well, it is much easier to remember the truth than to hide behind a web of well-connected deceit.

Besides, false accusations in general are more ancient that specific false accusations - which is why there are also commandment against falsely witnessing and lying.

 

[HannahT]

And what evidence did you look at to make your decision? We have people who went to school with Kavanaugh including his room mate who have spoken about his drinking. We have a book written by Judge, the alleged other man in the room who writes about his friend, McKavanaugh, who drank and partied. There is Kavanaugh's year book which points to the same.

As a past heavy drinker, I can attest to not remembering clearly much of what goes on when is intoxicated.

I was watching or hearing the senate hearings today. Your points came up, and needless to say the media and those speaking about the stories in question? Don't seem to share the entirety of them.

The same types of smears against Ford are all across the internet too. I mean they took her husband's comments out of context. How low can you go media - yesh!

This is what people call news today sadly.

These types of speculation, theories, gossip, etc is why both of these parties lives were dragged through the mud. How their family lives are in shambles.

Problem with all these stories that people claim are true? Even when the holes, context, and errors are pointed out? It's to late, because they are not reported on in the same fashion.

I found both their testimonies very credible today. I hope some day they can have some sense of normalcy in the near future. They deserve it. What a circus.

 

[Yarddog]

I was watching or hearing the senate hearings today. Your points came up, and needless to say the media and those speaking about the stories in question? Don't seem to share the entirety of them.

The same types of smears against Ford are all across the internet too. I mean they took her husband's comments out of context. How low can you go media - yesh!

This is what people call news today sadly.

These types of speculation, theories, gossip, etc is why both of these parties lives were dragged through the mud. How their family lives are in shambles.

Problem with all these stories that people claim are true? Even when the holes, context, and errors are pointed out? It's to late, because they are not reported on in the same fashion.

I found both their testimonies very credible today. I hope some day they can have some sense of normalcy in the near future. They deserve it. What a circus.

Yes, very sad. I also found their testimonies credible, except for Kavanaugh's opening statement. What he said in his rants should disqualify him from the court. He is not an unbiased mediator which the court needs.

That being said, when he was actually answering questions, he seemed just as credible as Ford.

 

[FireDragon76]

Yes, very sad. I also found their testimonies credible, except for Kavanaugh's opening statement. What he said in his rants should disqualify him from the court. He is not an unbiased mediator which the court needs.

That being said, when he was actually answering questions, he seemed just as credible as Ford.

I believe Kavanaugh believes he is telling the truth, but he was probably blackout drunk when the incident happened, and he may not have been fully candid in his diaries.

 

[Yarddog]

I believe Kavanaugh believes he is telling the truth, but he was probably blackout drunk when the incident happened, and he may not have been fully candid in his diaries.

Very possible.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

More importantly, how can you teach him to respect women?

Why is that more important?

 

[creslaw]

I did not say that

... and I did not say you did

Saying that you shouldn't assume someone is lying is very different from saying you should assume they are telling the truth. What should happen is that the evidence is weighed and further action is or is not taken depending on the quality of that evidence. Instead, what you seem to have in this situation is 'trial by media and public opinion' which does no one any favours. Least of all genuine abuse victims who have a hard enough time getting justice without the distraction of a media circus.

What you should have is the presumption of innocence for the accused, and further action is not warranted when it is just a political ploy.

 

[Phil 1:21]

And what evidence did you look at to make your decision? We have people who went to school with Kavanaugh including his room mate who have spoken about his drinking. We have a book written by Judge, the alleged other man in the room who writes about his friend, McKavanaugh, who drank and partied. There is Kavanaugh's year book which points to the same.

As a past heavy drinker, I can attest to not remembering clearly much of what goes on when is intoxicated.

Since when did being a heavy drinker equate to being a rapist?

 

[Yarddog]

Since when did being a heavy drinker equate to being a rapist?

Maybe you can show us who said that it was???

 

[AnnaDeborah]

further action is not warranted when it is just a political ploy.

But by deciding further action is not warranted, you make a judgement that the accusation IS just a political ploy. Which is why any accusation needs to be investigated through the appropriate channels before being splashed all over the news. You can't base a decision on whether or not an accusation is worth investigating on whether or not the accuser might have something to gain politically from making the accusation.

 

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[Robin Mauro]

... and I did not say you did

What you should have is the presumption of innocence for the accused, and further action is not warranted when it is just a political ploy.

Creslaw, was it you who said no further investigation is needed because it was a political ploy?
You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say it is all a political ploy and that you believe her, as the republicans have done, to try to save their own butts.
It is entirely abusive to Ford to claim this is political. She was sexually assaulted. An FBI investigation is needed.
How dare you and they speak this way about sexual assault.
It is they who are making it political. They obviously do not want to now the truth, because their politics matter more to them than rape, and NOT putting a rapist on the supreme court,
The women are hurt. The women are angry about all of this, myself included.
Better watch out, all ye good old boys, you probably won't recover from this one.
Please Lord, take all rapists and abusers, and all those who support them, down.

 

[Robin Mauro]

Since when did being a heavy drinker equate to being a rapist?

There needs to be an FBI investigation.

 

[Robin Mauro]

Yes, very sad. I also found their testimonies credible, except for Kavanaugh's opening statement. What he said in his rants should disqualify him from the court. He is not an unbiased mediator which the court needs.

That being said, when he was actually answering questions, he seemed just as credible as Ford.

He did not seem credible to me. He refused to answer many of the questions, and just kept going back to touting his own accomplishments, over and over, whereby avoiding answering.

 

[HannahT]

But by deciding further action is not warranted, you make a judgement that the accusation IS just a political ploy. Which is why any accusation needs to be investigated through the appropriate channels before being splashed all over the news. You can't base a decision on whether or not an accusation is worth investigating on whether or not the accuser might have something to gain politically from making the accusation.

The problem many are having is the circumstance was NOT investigated through the appropriate channels, but was instead splashed all over the news. To make matters worse? The Senate leader that had this letter for 6+ weeks before telling anyone? Claims she isn't the one that leaked it to the press so they could go nuts.

When asked if she approached her staff about the leak? She said she had NOT asked them directly when she knew she had been blamed for this for close to two weeks. Then turns around during the hearing itself - her staff says no - and she then turns back around during the hearing and says, 'the answer is no'. I honestly don't think she realizes HOW BAD that looked! You don't ask your staff DURING the hearing if they leaked it! Yikes! THEN blames Dr. Ford's friends for leaking instead. That deflection is a bit late in the game.

The next problem is that the politicians in question jumped the conclusion that he was guilty, and said so to any camera that would film them. Heck, that happened before they even got to see the letter in question. Why not right? lol the press already stamped him guilty, and they can't say the opposite. Talk about fanning the flames. That was highly irresponsible to say the least.

The next issue is that they did the 'we believe her' before any facts were in. No one from this party she claims were there says they were there. Her own childhood girlfriend says she has never even met the Judge - and yet she was at the party too. So, if they FBI goes to them to ask the same question - were you there? They say no, or I don't know him. The same thing that they said via their lawyers already. That would be the end of the FBI's role, and they will call it an investigation to make people feel better. Nothing will change.

This poor woman was so traumatized she can't even remember how she got home. Someone drove her home, and yet no one has come forward.

I'm not sure what happened to Dr. Ford, but I do believe something did - somewhere, somehow. She has changed the number of people in attendance a couple of times - no doubt due to the timeline. That was a long time ago. There is alot of doubt here - legally speaking, and people do NOT know what to do with that. They don't know what to think, but are quickly accused of not caring about sexual assault if they don't jump on the media bandwagon.

The guilty plead was attached before any questions were asked - the second the story hit the newspaper. Before anyone spoke to anyone from this party. Once some of the questions came up - where was the party, when was the party, who was there, etc? Things were NOT crystal clear, and the drums kept beating on the news, politicians, and from all circles - he is guilty.

I don't think Dr. Ford wanted to get in the middle of this mess. I think she was dragged. I would bet they leave her in WORSE condition than how they found her. You know else? I don't think they care.

 

[No Swansong]

Having watched the testimony of them both, I am convinced they both truly believe they are telling the truth. Of course it isn't possible for that to be the case (that they both are telling the truth) thus I guess I am stating that one or both of them are struggling with memory.

 

[Robin Mauro]

The problem many are having is the circumstance was NOT investigated through the appropriate channels, but was instead splashed all over the news. To make matters worse? The Senate leader that had this letter for 6+ weeks before telling anyone? Claims she isn't the one that leaked it to the press so they could go nuts.

When asked if she approached her staff about the leak? She said she had NOT asked them directly when she knew she had been blamed for this for close to two weeks. Then turns around during the hearing itself - her staff says no - and she then turns back around during the hearing and says, 'the answer is no'. I honestly don't think she realizes HOW BAD that looked! You don't ask your staff DURING the hearing if they leaked it! Yikes! THEN blames Dr. Ford's friends for leaking instead. That deflection is a bit late in the game.

The next problem is that the politicians in question jumped the conclusion that he was guilty, and said so to any camera that would film them. Heck, that happened before they even got to see the letter in question. Why not right? lol the press already stamped him guilty, and they can't say the opposite. Talk about fanning the flames. That was highly irresponsible to say the least.

The next issue is that they did the 'we believe her' before any facts were in. No one from this party she claims were there says they were there. Her own childhood girlfriend says she has never even met the Judge - and yet she was at the party too. So, if they FBI goes to them to ask the same question - were you there? They say no, or I don't know him. The same thing that they said via their lawyers already. That would be the end of the FBI's role, and they will call it an investigation to make people feel better. Nothing will change.

This poor woman was so traumatized she can't even remember how she got home. Someone drove her home, and yet no one has come forward.

I'm not sure what happened to Dr. Ford, but I do believe something did - somewhere, somehow. She has changed the number of people in attendance a couple of times - no doubt due to the timeline. That was a long time ago. There is alot of doubt here - legally speaking, and people do NOT know what to do with that. They don't know what to think, but are quickly accused of not caring about sexual assault if they don't jump on the media bandwagon.

The guilty plead was attached before any questions were asked - the second the story hit the newspaper. Before anyone spoke to anyone from this party. Once some of the questions came up - where was the party, when was the party, who was there, etc? Things were NOT crystal clear, and the drums kept beating on the news, politicians, and from all circles - he is guilty.

I don't think Dr. Ford wanted to get in the middle of this mess. I think she was dragged. I would bet they leave her in WORSE condition than how they found her. You know else? I don't think they care.

I never heard anyone say he was guilty, including the press. Many people, including myself, believe her, and believe it should be investigated. Although this is not a criminal case, even though I believe her, if it were a criminal case and I were a juror, I would not find him guilty on her testimony alone.The FBI needs to thoroughly investigate.
Kavanaugh's friend, Mark?Judge needs to be interviewed thoroughly, along with other people who knew him. A written statement is not enough. Questioning is how to determine if someone is lying. All the good and all the bad about him needs to be thoroughly looked into. Some of his own friends said he was a belligerent drunk, while he made himself sound like a choir boy. That goes to his credibility. If he is a liar, that needs to be taken into consideration. Do we want a liar as a supreme court judge I don't.
Having the FBI investigate is normal procedure when accusations are made. Why were they trying to rush this through? I believe it was because they don't want to know; most of them don't care, even if it IS true,
A thorough investigation must be made. As for Diane Einstein (sp?), and how this all came out, and the timing, I don't know. I would've thought the sooner the better, so that an investigation could be made. But none of that, whatever the motivation, changes the fact that Ford alleges attempted sexual assault by this man, and I believe she knows exactly it was him. That is a detail a rape victim does not forget, and that is the bottom line. It must be thoroughly investigated.
And there are also other accusations against him now, that must be looked into.
I am so thankful to God right now that Hatch (I think it was Hatch) changed his mind and called for an investigation.
How thorough they will be allowed to be is the million dollar question, considering the party in power wanted to just shove him in, guilty or not.
I appreciate your rationality in all that you said though. I do.
Thank-you for that.

 

[Robin Mauro]

Einstein was a typo. I meant Feinstein, and still don't know the spelling. Typing on a phone is rough!
Ha! I just looked and saw it was my phone that changed it to Einstein, twice. I need to figure out how to get rid of auto correct, it is rarely correct!