There are some standing here who will not taste death-

[claninja]

You are correct that it's not talking about the transfiguration,

So we are in agreement about this at least

yet incorrect that it is instead talking about "the soon coming Kingdom of God within the disciple's generation".

I guess I don't follow, because Jesus literally states some standing in front of him will not taste death until they see the son of man coming in his kingdom:

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

It seems to me----the Son of man coming in his kingdom---is meaning this---the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels.

I agree

What does the text indicate happens when the Son of man comes in His kingdom? Does it not indicate this---and then he shall reward every man according to his works? Doesn't that sound like something He might fulfill once He has physically returned, as in the 2nd coming?

Yes, i agree, it does indicate that. In John's vision, Jesus even states he is coming soon to repay:
Revelation 22:12 Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

No events in the first century could have possibly fulfilled the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels. That is something that is fulfilled at the 2nd coming.

The olivet discourse actually tells a lot about what happens leading up to the coming of the son of man on the clouds of heaven, of which all happened exactly as predicted in the 1st century. There were wars and rumors of wars, there was persecution, there was famine, there were earthquakes, there was pestilence, there were false messiahs, the temple was destroyed, and jerusalem was destroyed.

All of this happened within the generation of the disciples.

How God came in the OT to judge nations, is exactly how Christ came to Judge Jerusalem.

If these aren't being rewarded according to their works, what are they being rewarded according to then? Not only that, obviously the sheep and goats judgment hasn't even been fulfilled yet. That has to mean Matthew 16:27-28 has not been fulfilled yet either.

Im assuming then, that you don't believe that when believers die they go to heaven? Or when unbelievers die they are either in hell or annihilated?

However, if you do believe that believers go to heaven and unbelievers receive eternal punishment on death, well then it appears you do, in fact, believe that the sheep are rewarded and goats repaid upon death

 

[claninja]

I can try explaining some of it except you are not going to agree with any of it because you seem stuck in limbo in this Preterist type mindset you have going on. There is such a thing as a resurrection of the dead when Christ returns. If someone standing there at the time were to rise from the dead in the future, then be judged unworthy to inherit the kingdom, I'm pretty certain that could qualify as tasting of death. Who was Jesus' audience at the time? Was it not His main disciples and wannabe disciples?

To "taste death", refers to physical death:
John 8:52 Now we know that You have a demon!” declared the Jews. “Abraham died, and so did the prophets, yet You say that anyone who keeps Your word will never taste death

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.


So when Jesus states, there are some standing here who will not taste death, it's in reference to physical death. There were some standing in front of Jesus who would not physically die until they saw Jesus coming in his kingdom.

 

[joshua 1 9]

But the bible explicitly teaches there is no end to the New Covenant Age (Eph 3:21; Heb 13:20),

Yes the covenant extends into the 1,000 year reign of Christ and into the New Heaven and the New Earth. The Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdoms of God for ever and ever without end.

 

[parousia70]

Fulfilled? The Gospel went to the Gentiles and the earthly priesthood "system" etc.. eventually ended. It was taken away. IF being applied to that specific event.

So the events leading up to and including the Temple & City's destruction in 70 AD would qualify as "The coming of the Lord of the Vineyard to destroy the Chief Priests and Pharisees". I agree.

Unfulfilled? For us (being constrained by time) The "big picture" (final mass destruction of mankind and sin on earth) the time frame will begin at His 2nd return to earth until all is fulfilled according to scripture.

Yet In the Revelation, John testifies that after the GWT judgment, after all has been made anew, On the new earth, just outside the New Jerusalem city's gates, there still exist Dog, sorcerers, adulterers, liars & sinners in General...

So with that .... God is not constrained to time, we are ... so from our perspective His 2nd coming hasn't happened yet .... from God's perspective what is the timeframe present, past or future? It is all three. So He teaches from His perspective .... not ours.

So when God told Noah "in seven days I will make it rain forty days and forty nights", He was teaching from His perspective and not Noah's?

I happen to believe God can tell time correctly and can communicate it's passing accurately to Humans in terms we can understand and apply.

 

[DavidPT]

I guess I don't follow, because Jesus literally states some standing in front of him will not taste death until they see the son of man coming in his kingdom:

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


Let's think about this for a moment then. There is the following perspectives to consider.


John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Jesus didn't dispute what they claimed He said, what I have underlined. What did Jesus say according to them? If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. What would it logically mean if a man does not keep His saying? Wouldn't it mean the exact opposite? Wouldn't it mean that person shall taste of death then? Taste of what death though? It can't be meaning the 1st death everyone experiences since even those that keep His sayings experiences that death. But if you disagree though, why do those that keep His sayings experience the first death then? How can one never taste of death and yet taste of death at the same time by dying the first physical death everyone experiences?

So what death can it be meaning then? The only death it could be meaning is the 2nd death. Anyone that keeps His saying will never experience the 2nd death. IOW the following would be true of them----on such the second death hath no power(Revelation 20:6).

What is the 2nd death? Revelation 20:11-15, for one, tells us what it is.

So IMO, some of them standing there at the time, wannabe disciples, some of them apparently would neglect to keep His sayings unto the end of their lives. And when they are raised from the dead in the future, they are judged unworthy to inherit the kingdom of God, and instead of inheriting the kingdom of God like they thought they would do, they are cast into the LOF instead, thus taste of death at that time.

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

As can be seen from the parallel account, besides the main disciples present at the time, there were also wannabe disciples present at the time---And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them.

 

[DavidPT]

To "taste death", refers to physical death:
John 8:52 Now we know that You have a demon!” declared the Jews. “Abraham died, and so did the prophets, yet You say that anyone who keeps Your word will never taste death

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.


So when Jesus states, there are some standing here who will not taste death, it's in reference to physical death. There were some standing in front of Jesus who would not physically die until they saw Jesus coming in his kingdom.

I refer you to post #48 then. I think that post is applicable here as well.

 

[claninja]

Jesus didn't dispute what they claimed He said, what I have underlined. What did Jesus say according to them? If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. What would it logically mean if a man does not keep His saying? Wouldn't it mean the exact opposite? Wouldn't it mean that person shall taste of death then? Taste of what death though? It can't be meaning the 1st death everyone experiences since even those that keep His sayings experiences that death. But if you disagree though, why do those that keep His sayings experience the first death then? How can one never taste of death and yet taste of death at the same time by dying the first physical death everyone experiences?

As everyone physically dies, believer or non believer, we know Jesus was not talking about physical death here, but spiritual. The one who has eternal life from Jesus, will never see spiritual death.
John 8:51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

Spiritual death, is being dead in our sins.
Ephesians 2:5 made us alive with Christ, even when we were dead in our trespasses.

The Jews, in their misunderstanding, believe Jesus is talking about physical death. It's interesting to note that they don't say "see" death, but instead, "taste" death. From their response it is easily seen that they are thinking of physical death.
John 8:52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death

Therefore, from this verse, we can see that to "taste" death means physical death.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Let's think about this for a moment then. There is the following perspectives to consider.

So what death can it be meaning then? The only death it could be meaning is the 2nd death. Anyone that keeps His saying will never experience the 2nd death. IOW the following would be true of them----on such the second death hath no power(Revelation 20:6).
What is the 2nd death? Revelation 20:11-15, for one, tells us what it is.
So IMO, some of them standing there at the time, wannabe disciples, some of them apparently would neglect to keep His sayings unto the end of their lives. And when they are raised from the dead in the future, they are judged unworthy to inherit the kingdom of God, and instead of inheriting the kingdom of God like they thought they would do, they are cast into the LOF instead, thus taste of death at that time.
Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
As can be seen from the parallel account, besides the main disciples present at the time, there were also wannabe disciples present at the time---And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them.

So you see this as a negative statement then? There are some who will not be thrown into the lake of fire before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom?

In other words, you believe this means that the some standing here will be thrown into the lake of fire after they see the son of man coming in his kingdom?

 

[DavidPT]

So you see this as a negative statement then? There are some who will not be thrown into the lake of fire before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom?

In other words, you believe this means that the some standing here will be thrown into the lake of fire after they see the son of man coming in his kingdom?

Let's look at it in context.

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.


Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.


Let's look at this first, in Mark 9:1---till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power----and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Regardless that you might disagree, Matthew 24:30 is undeniably referring to the 2nd coming via this part-----and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Notice how the coming is depicted---the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power. That matches the coming meant in Mark 9:1.

Since these standing there at the time would be dead when the 2nd coming occurs, how do they, too, see Him at the time coming in power?

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The text says this---Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him. Does it literally mean every eye, or just some eyes? If the former, it logically has to also include those standing there at the time 2000 years ago.


As to who standing there might not inherit the kingdom of God in the future, Mark 8:35-38 tends to answer that for us. The text says some standing here, and not all standing here. It would only be the ones standing there who might end up being ashamed of Jesus and of His words in this adulterous and sinful generation, as an example. This would only apply to some standing there, and not all standing there. The ones standing there that Mark 8:38 does not apply to, because they were not ashamed of Jesus and of His words in this adulterous and sinful generation, when they see the kingdom of God coming in power, they don't taste of death. Why? We should already know why. Didn't Jesus say that everyone that keepeth His sayings, they shall never taste of death, 'never' being a keyword.


I obviously disagree with you about never tasting death, that this means never tasting spiritual death. I have no clue what you mean by that, though you did attempt to explain what you meant by it. I'm just not on the same page with you is all, apparently.

 

[claninja]

Regardless that you might disagree, Matthew 24:30 is undeniably referring to the 2nd coming via this part-----and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Notice how the coming is depicted---the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power. That matches the coming meant in Mark 9:1.

I absolutely agree with you, that this is the 2nd coming, albeit not in human flesh, but in the glory of the Father. In other words, Christ comes on the clouds as God, just as God came down from heaven in the OT.

till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power----and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Would you say Jesus receiving the kingdom is the same thing as Jesus coming in his kingdom?
Luke 19:12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return
Daniel 7:13-14 and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,

Since these standing there at the time would be dead when the 2nd coming occurs, how do they, too, see Him at the time coming in power?

If Jesus is not talking about physical death, but the 2nd death as you argue, this would have to occur at the resurrection of the just and unjust in order for them to see Jesus coming in his kingdom after they have died, no?

The text says this---Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him. Does it literally mean every eye, or just some eyes? If the former, it logically has to also include those standing there at the time 2000 years ago.

Well, if it is the former, how can every literal eye see him coming, if he comes 1000 years before the resurrection of the just and the unjust?

As to who standing there might not inherit the kingdom of God in the future, Mark 8:35-38 tends to answer that for us. The text says some standing here, and not all standing here. It would only be the ones standing there who might end up being ashamed of Jesus and of His words in this adulterous and sinful generation, as an example. This would only apply to some standing there, and not all standing there. The ones standing there that Mark 8:38 does not apply to, because they were not ashamed of Jesus and of His words in this adulterous and sinful generation, when they see the kingdom of God coming in power, they don't taste of death. Why? We should already know why.

Your argument on mark 9:1 appears to be that some of the unbelievers standing in front of Jesus will not experience the 2nd death, until they see Jesus' 2nd coming.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not "experience the 2nd death", till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Prior to the 2nd death, the resurrection of the Just and Unjust must occur. Then the Just will go to heaven and the unjust will experience eternal punishment.
Matthew 25:46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Revelation 20:59 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

However, the resurrection of the just and unjust occurs 1000 years after Jesus' coming
Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over,

Therefore, how can the unjust see Jesus come 1000 years before they are resurrected?

 

[claninja]

Didn't Jesus say that everyone that keepeth His sayings, they shall never taste of death, 'never' being a keyword.

No, he didn't actually say taste death here. He said "see" death
John 8:51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never SEE death.”

The Jews who didn't understand Jesus don't say "see" death, but "taste" death. When they said Abraham died, did they mean physical or 2nd death?
John 8:51 Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death.

 

[eleos1954]

Yet In the Revelation, John testifies that after the GWT judgment, after all has been made anew, On the new earth, just outside the New Jerusalem city's gates, there still exist Dog, sorcerers, adulterers, liars & sinners in General...

This is at the 2nd resurrection (of the unsaved dead), led by Satan and his minions ... after New Jerusalem descends from heaven to earth and they are outside the city gates and the try to attack the city (Battle of Armageddon) Then the GWT occurs and all and I mean ALL is destroyed by fire.

Then the earth made new, perfect and is inherited living with the Lord etc.

So when God told Noah "in seven days I will make it rain forty days and forty nights", He was teaching from His perspective and not Noah's?

No this was "earth time" teaching from our perspective.

I happen to believe God can tell time correctly and can communicate it's passing accurately to Humans in terms we can understand and apply.

Yes, of course he can and He knows that we relate things that happen or to happen to time (earth time). What my point was in regard to "teachings" because of God's past present future perspective the teachings often can and do include (His) perspective. He will often refer to things in the past, things in the future during a (His) present teaching.

"accurately to Humans in terms we can understand and apply" Yes He is of course accurate ... we humans have difficulty understanding and applying a lot of things .... I mean look how much "discussion/debate" goes on about when things happened and ideas/theories about various things. We are all trying to figure it out and have different ideas (theologies) about it. This forum testifies to that LOL

Difficult for me to explain, but I'm trying ;o)

 

[parousia70]

This is at the 2nd resurrection (of the unsaved dead), led by Satan and his minions ... after New Jerusalem descends from heaven to earth and they are outside the city gates and the try to attack the city (Battle of Armageddon) Then the GWT occurs and all and I mean ALL is destroyed by fire.

Then the earth made new, perfect and is inherited living with the Lord etc.

Nope.

Revelation 22:15 depicts the reality after the GWT found in 20:11-15, not before.

 

[eleos1954]

Nope.

ok , revisited this ... it is an invitation and a warning ... has been a while since I studied Revelation thanks for bringing it to my attention

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Just what was Jesus talking about in Matthew 16 when He said there were people there that would not taste death "until they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom.”

Was He talking about 70 ad when the temple was tore down and Jerusalem was scattered to the world?

I believe so.
"Son of man" points back to Daniel chapter 7 --->

Daniel 7:13-14
As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence..​

That is exactly what he was talking about

parousia70 said: ↑
Do you believe THIS coming of the Lord has already happened or are we still waiting for it?

This is what I said:
the Son of Man is going to come (2nd coming - this hasn't happened yet)
until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” (2nd coming - this hasn't happened yet)
If it hasn't happened yet .... then it is yet to come and we are waiting for it.

There's probably a couple of guys out there, now they are 2000 years old. Look just like you and me, still waiting patiently.

With God, anything is possible........
From battering rams and catapaults [Romans 70ad] to now.....

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/daniel-12-1-and-luke-21-same-event.8076171/#post-73025354
Daniel 12 and Luke 21

Daniel 12:4
“But as for thou, Daniel, conceal! the words and seal up! the book until the end of time;
many will go back and forth, and the knowledge will increase.”

F14 Tomcats vs Japanese zeroes....
"splash the zeroes!"

 

[mkgal1]

Compare this:

Mathew 16:27-28 ~ For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.​

To this:

Isaiah 59:17-21 ~ He put on righteousness like a breastplate,
and a helmet of salvation on his head;
he put on garments of vengeance for clothing,
and wrapped himself in fury as in a mantle.
18 According to their deeds, so will he repay;
wrath to his adversaries, requital to his enemies;
to the coastlands he will render requital.
19 So those in the west shall fear the name of the Lord,
and those in the east, his glory;
for he will come like a pent-up stream
that the wind of the Lord drives on.

20 And he will come to Zion as Redeemer,
to those in Jacob who turn from transgression, says the Lord.

21 And as for me, this is my covenant with them, says the Lord: my spirit that is upon you, and my words that I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouths of your children, or out of the mouths of your children’s children, says the Lord, from now on and for ever.

MATHEW 16:27-28
The coming of the Son of Man (16:27)
Judgment of the Son of Man (16:27)
Coming in glory (16:27)
Judgment of every man according to their deeds (16:27)
To establish the Kingdom (16:28)
In the lifetime of Jesus’ first century disciples (16:28)

ISAIAH 59:17-21
The coming of the Redeemer - Jesus (59:19-20)
Judgment of the Lord (59:18)
Coming in glory (59:19)
Judgment of the wicked (the adversaries) and the righteous according to their deeds (59:17-20)
To establish the New Covenant (59:21)
In the day of vengeance and wrath upon Israel (59:17-18)

(See Luke 21:20-23,32 – this generation)

https://reformedeschatology.com/wp-...ome-Standing-Here-Wont-Taste-Death-Part-2.pdf​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Compare this:

Mathew 16:27-28 ~ ​

To this:

Isaiah 59:17-21 ~ He put on righteousness like a breastplate,
and a helmet of salvation on his head;
he put on garments of vengeance for clothing,
and wrapped himself in fury as in a mantle.

20 And he will come to Zion as Redeemer,
to those in Jacob who turn from transgression, says the Lord.​

Excellent!

And to this:

Ezekiel 23:24 [Revelation 9]
And they shall come against you With chariots, wagons, and war-horses,
With a horde of people. They shall array against you
Buckler, shield, and helmet all around.
‘I will delegate judgment to them, And they shall judge you according to their judgments.

Ephesians 6 [1 Thessalonians 5:8]
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
17 And take the helmet of salvation,
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; [Revelation 19:15]

Hey lookie here!

Revelation 9:
9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of many chariots of horses rushing into battle
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and those sitting on them, having fiery and hyacinthine and brimstone breastplates..........

Revelation 19:
11 And I saw the Heaven having been opened and behold! a white horse,
and the One sitting upon it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 13 and having been clothed with a garment having been dipped in blood.a
And His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies who were in heaven, having been clothed in pure, white, fine linen were following Him upon white horses.
15 And out of His mouth goes forth a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations; and He will shepherd them with a rod of iron.

Revelation 18:
9 And the kings of the earth, the ones having committed sexual immorality and having lived luxuriously with Her, will weep and will wail for her when they see the smoke of her burning
13 and cinnamon, and odours, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and cattle, and sheep, and of horses, and of chariots, and of bodies and souls of men.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7413416/
Armegeddon/Gog-Magog same event?

Ezekiel 39:17

And thou, son of adam! thus says my Lord Yahweh: 'Say to the bird — every wing, and to every beast of the field: Be assembled and come in, Be gathered from round about, For My sacrifice that I am sacrificing for you,
A great sacrifice on mountains of Israel,

And ye have eaten flesh, and drunk blood. Revelation 19:17

Revelation 19: [Ezekiel 39:17]
17 And I saw one Messenger standing in the sun, and He cried out in loud a voice, saying to all the birds flying in mid-heaven, “Come!, gather! yourselves unto the great supper of God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of commanders, and the flesh of captains,
and the flesh of horses and of those sitting on them,
and the fleshes of all, both free and slaves, and small and great.”

 

[Tutorman]

If these things did not happen in their lifetime, than either (1) they are still alive, (2) Jesus lied and He is not God and we are fools to worship him

 

[DaDad]

Just what was Jesus talking about in Matthew 16 when He said there were people there that would not taste death "until they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom.”

Hey J,
I hate to disrupt FOUR PAGES of non-answers for your OP, but I thought the problem was so simple that you'd have several posters vying to give you the solution. Turns out, apparently it offers such a conundrum that the most 'learned" members of this Forum have left you absent, and pursued much deeper philosophically challenging matters. Yeah, it appears a common trait in human nature. They can't solve the SIMPLE, but then try to convince you that they're EXPERTS in the complex.


So the SIMPLE:
Who are the "some". -- Obviously NOT the people standing in his presence. And if not those particular people, then it must just be "some", -- from later generations, because mankind WILL NOT destroy itself before Jesus returns.


It's interesting that GOD hides HIS Word from the religious, but shares it with his servants.

DaDad

 

[joshua 1 9]

They can't solve the SIMPLE, but then try to convince you that they're EXPERTS in the complex.

A lot of what we do is take something complicated and make it simple enough so that a child can understand. Those of us with an 8th grade education have to do what we can to help out the people working on getting their 5th grade education. Actually we are making progress because there was a time when Phd's could not even function at a third grade level.

It's interesting that GOD hides HIS Word from the religious, but shares it with his servants.

Mark 4:12 "The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables, 12 so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

 

[mkgal1]

So the SIMPLE:
Who are the "some". -- Obviously NOT the people standing in his presence. And if not those particular people, then it must just be "some", -- from later generations, because mankind WILL NOT destroy itself before Jesus returns.


It's interesting that GOD hides HIS Word from the religious, but shares it with his servants.

LOL....okay.