IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

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But who decides if it is a sin? Can I decide something isn't a sin based on my own ignorance? I've never felt any guilt about not observing the Sabbath.

God has already decided through his WORD and revealed to us what is sin and what is not sin. You cannot decide if something is sin or not if God has already told you what sin is.

If you ignore God's WORD when you know it says not to do something then it is Sin. This would be UNBELIEF as you have rejected the Word of God and no unbelivers enter into the kingdom of heaven (Luke 12:46; James 4:17).

Hope this is helpful Steve.
 
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Hello Steve,
In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).
Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matt 12:12)
Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.
Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?
Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT
Exodus 20

8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.
Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.
God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31)
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The Sabbath was given exclusively to the children of Israel.
Lev 24:8 Every Sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being tak.en from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Paul met with the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and they decided this was what gentile Christians were required to do. Here would have been a good place to tell gentiles they had to observe the Sabbath and all the other feasts and festivals in the OT.
Acts of the apostles 15:19-21
(19) "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
(20) Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
(21) For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
Acts of the apostles 15:28-29
(28) It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
(29) You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
Acts of the apostles 21:24-25
(24) Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.
(25) As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."

 
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God has already decided through his WORD and revealed to us what is sin and what is not sin. You cannot decide if something is sin of not if God has already told you what sin is. If you ignore God's WORD when you know it says not to do something then it is Sin. This would be UNBELIEF as you have rejected the Word of God and no unbelivers enter into the kingdom of heaven (Luke 12:46; James 4:17).

Hope this is helpful Steve.
That's good.
I know that the Ten Commandments were not written to me. So we are all good here. Thanks.
 
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Hi All,

Just hoping to hear your thoughts on if you believe it is still sin to break God's 10 Commandments?

Let's make it clear from the beginning however, NONE are saved by the works of the law (keeping God's 10 Commandments). We are only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8).

The purpose of God's LAW is to only give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172) to lead us to the foot of the cross so we can see ourselves as sinners in need of a Saviour (Galatians 3:22-25). Our righteousness is be faith in God's WORD not in anything that we can do (Romans 3:25; Philippians 3:9). We need to be Born again to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in that heart of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORDS of GOD (1 John 3:3-9; Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12)

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Here is my thoughts. I believe if we disregard any of God's WORD then it is SIN to us because it is written, to him who knows to do good and does not do it to him it is sin (James 4:17). So, if the 10 Commandments are God's WORD. Then I believe it is sin to break them.

Here are some scriptures I have found in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT saying that breaking ANY of God's 10 Commandments is SIN.

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SIN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BREAKING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS (Summarized)

God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus say the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7).

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). When Moses was delayed on the Mount with God the children of ISRAEL made an Idol and worshipped it breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandment (Exodus 20:3-5). Moses said to them after he returned, you have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin (Exodus 32:30; Deuteronomy 9:16-18). Moses said to Aaron that by making an idol for the people to worship that it was a great sin (Exodus 32:21; 30). God would punish the children of Israel for their sin of Idol worship (Exodus 32:34).

God said to Moses in reference to breaking the 10 Commandments; Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book (Exodus 32:33).

God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). Joshua says stealing is sin (Joshua 7:11). Achan knew when he was caught stealing that he sinned (Joshua 7:20).

When God's people forsake God to worship other God's, they also confess that they had sinned in breaking God's commandments (Judges 10:10;15). Samuel made atonement for God's people when they wanted to return to God confessing that they had sinned after they worshipped other Gods breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandments (1 Samuel 7:5; 12:10; Exodus 20:2-5).

King Saul wanted to kill David, but Jonathon spoke good of David saying to him no to sin against David by killing him (1 Samuel 19:4). David cut the skirt of King Saul in the cave and said to him that he could have killed him if he wanted to but did not sin against him by sparing his life (1 Samuel 24:11). King Saul replied that in wanting to kill David he had sinned (1 Samuel 26:21).

When David became king he desired Bathsheba who was another man’s wife and organized for her husband Uriah the Hitite to be sent to the front line of battle to be killed. God sent Nathan to David and David confessed in doing this that he had sinned in breaking God's 6th and 7th Commandment (Exodus 20:13:14). David confessed that he had sinned to breaking God's LAW (1 Samuel 12:13).

Now we can also go through all the evil Kings of Israel that sinned against God by following and worshipping other Gods which is also defined as sin in God's WORD but there would be too many scriptures (2 Kings 17:7). God testified that they served other Gods and idols sending them prophets to warn them of their sins (2 Kings 17:12-13; 16-17). We are also told that King Manasseh also broke God's 6th commandment and killed more innocent people then most others testifying that by doing this he had sinned (2 Kings 16:17). God continued to send prophets to warn his people of the consequences of sin (Nehemiah 9:30). God's people continued in their sins forsaking God's LAW (10 commandments) and in doing so God left them and Israel were overthrown and led into captivity to the other nations because they departed from God serving other God's and idols. Nehemiah knew this and prayed to God confessing their sins (Nehemiah 1:6-9). God's people continued to sin against God by worshipping other Gods despite the warning of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 44:18-23). In despite of God's Word teaching that God's people had forsaken the 10 commandments and sinned against God, going into captivity, God promised he would bring them back when they returned to him and heal them from their sins of breaking his commandments (Ezekiel 37:22-23).

Hosea testified by the Word of the Lord that God's people by making idols and worshipping other god's, lying, stealing, killing, committing adultery would receive the judgments of God because they had sinned by departing from the 10 Commandments (Hosea 4:1-19).

The word of the Lord came to Zephaniah saying that all those who continue in sin by worshipping other God's and breaking his commandments will be destroyed off the land because they have sinned against God (Zephaniah 1:2-17).

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Yep pretty clear that in the OLD TESTAMENT if God's people broke any of the 10 Commandments it was SIN.

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Now it is interesting all the 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT. Is it still sin in the NEW TESTAMENT to break and of God's 10 Commandments?

NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.


God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT says very clearly that if we break ANY of the 10 Commandments it is indeed SIN and we become guilty before God if we are CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN.

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Ok my friends. What are your thoughts?

Is it SIN to break any of the 10 COMMANDMENTS that were written and spoken by GOD?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his WORD :wave:

God will still judge everyone by the law and everyone will be punished and rewarded according to what they have done. See Romans 2. "You will reap what you sow."
 
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Hi All,

Just hoping to hear your thoughts on if you believe it is still sin to break God's 10 Commandments?

Let's make it clear from the beginning however, NONE are saved by the works of the law (keeping God's 10 Commandments). We are only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8).

The purpose of God's LAW is to only give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172) to lead us to the foot of the cross so we can see ourselves as sinners in need of a Saviour (Galatians 3:22-25). Our righteousness is be faith in God's WORD not in anything that we can do (Romans 3:25; Philippians 3:9). We need to be Born again to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in that heart of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORDS of GOD (1 John 3:3-9; Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12)

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Here is my thoughts. I believe if we disregard any of God's WORD then it is SIN to us because it is written, to him who knows to do good and does not do it to him it is sin (James 4:17). So, if the 10 Commandments are God's WORD. Then I believe it is sin to break them.

Here are some scriptures I have found in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT saying that breaking ANY of God's 10 Commandments is SIN.

................

SIN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BREAKING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS (Summarized)

God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus say the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7).

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). When Moses was delayed on the Mount with God the children of ISRAEL made an Idol and worshipped it breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandment (Exodus 20:3-5). Moses said to them after he returned, you have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin (Exodus 32:30; Deuteronomy 9:16-18). Moses said to Aaron that by making an idol for the people to worship that it was a great sin (Exodus 32:21; 30). God would punish the children of Israel for their sin of Idol worship (Exodus 32:34).

God said to Moses in reference to breaking the 10 Commandments; Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book (Exodus 32:33).

God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). Joshua says stealing is sin (Joshua 7:11). Achan knew when he was caught stealing that he sinned (Joshua 7:20).

When God's people forsake God to worship other God's, they also confess that they had sinned in breaking God's commandments (Judges 10:10;15). Samuel made atonement for God's people when they wanted to return to God confessing that they had sinned after they worshipped other Gods breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandments (1 Samuel 7:5; 12:10; Exodus 20:2-5).

King Saul wanted to kill David, but Jonathon spoke good of David saying to him no to sin against David by killing him (1 Samuel 19:4). David cut the skirt of King Saul in the cave and said to him that he could have killed him if he wanted to but did not sin against him by sparing his life (1 Samuel 24:11). King Saul replied that in wanting to kill David he had sinned (1 Samuel 26:21).

When David became king he desired Bathsheba who was another man’s wife and organized for her husband Uriah the Hitite to be sent to the front line of battle to be killed. God sent Nathan to David and David confessed in doing this that he had sinned in breaking God's 6th and 7th Commandment (Exodus 20:13:14). David confessed that he had sinned to breaking God's LAW (1 Samuel 12:13).

Now we can also go through all the evil Kings of Israel that sinned against God by following and worshipping other Gods which is also defined as sin in God's WORD but there would be too many scriptures (2 Kings 17:7). God testified that they served other Gods and idols sending them prophets to warn them of their sins (2 Kings 17:12-13; 16-17). We are also told that King Manasseh also broke God's 6th commandment and killed more innocent people then most others testifying that by doing this he had sinned (2 Kings 16:17). God continued to send prophets to warn his people of the consequences of sin (Nehemiah 9:30). God's people continued in their sins forsaking God's LAW (10 commandments) and in doing so God left them and Israel were overthrown and led into captivity to the other nations because they departed from God serving other God's and idols. Nehemiah knew this and prayed to God confessing their sins (Nehemiah 1:6-9). God's people continued to sin against God by worshipping other Gods despite the warning of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 44:18-23). In despite of God's Word teaching that God's people had forsaken the 10 commandments and sinned against God, going into captivity, God promised he would bring them back when they returned to him and heal them from their sins of breaking his commandments (Ezekiel 37:22-23).

Hosea testified by the Word of the Lord that God's people by making idols and worshipping other god's, lying, stealing, killing, committing adultery would receive the judgments of God because they had sinned by departing from the 10 Commandments (Hosea 4:1-19).

The word of the Lord came to Zephaniah saying that all those who continue in sin by worshipping other God's and breaking his commandments will be destroyed off the land because they have sinned against God (Zephaniah 1:2-17).

................

Yep pretty clear that in the OLD TESTAMENT if God's people broke any of the 10 Commandments it was SIN.

................

Now it is interesting all the 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT. Is it still sin in the NEW TESTAMENT to break and of God's 10 Commandments?

NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

links to...

1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.


God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT says very clearly that if we break ANY of the 10 Commandments it is indeed SIN and we become guilty before God if we are CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN.

................

Ok my friends. What are your thoughts?

Is it SIN to break any of the 10 COMMANDMENTS that were written and spoken by GOD?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
I will relate what happened to me back in 1980's, after my baptism into the Catholic Church.

I had gone through a trying time as God was calling me and Satan was trying to keep me. For about 6 months I experienced numerous events of demonic influences and only prayer kept me sane. After this ended, I heard God's voice calling me into the Catholic Church.

After my baptism I felt that I needed to show my worthiness of God's gift by being obedient to the 10 Commandments. Trouble was, I began feeling a great anxiety as I tried to follow the 10. That anxiety grew and grew over the month.

Finally, I prayed and asked for help and, again, I heard God speak and he said "I didn't ask you to be perfect, Jesus has done that for you". He then gave me a vision of the cross and I understood.

I then let go of the desire to make myself perfect and cast my sinful nature onto the cross. I embraced the bloody cross and carry it every where.

I am alive in God's rest, the Sabbath, righteousness. I don't focus on stopping sin by obeying the law. I focus on learning about our Lord Jesus and God's Holy Spirit. I allow God's Spirit to change me from within so that the desire to love grows and the desire to harm others.

I don't break any of God's commandments because I have no desire to steal, kill, cover, etc, ...

It is not what you do but how you do it. God wants us to trust in his Spirit and not in ourselves. The Tower of Babylon represents all those people who try to attain heaven through their own efforts. Judaism, Islam, plus many Christians do this.

Let go and let God create a new being, in his image. God's rest is eternal.

Amen.
 
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God has already decided through his WORD and revealed to us what is sin and what is not sin. You cannot decide if something is sin of not if God has already told you what sin is. If you ignore God's WORD when you know it says not to do something then it is Sin. This would be UNBELIEF as you have rejected the Word of God and no unbelivers enter into the kingdom of heaven (Luke 12:46; James 4:17).

Hope this is helpful Steve.
If God needs people to work Saturdays, what business is it of yours? The hospitals are open on Saturday. The gas stations are open on Saturday. You may rest or work any day you want. Whether it is better to have one day off or two, most prefer two. Some would rather work 90 hours a week for it is profitable for them to do so.

Why impose on us a law Jesus did not follow?

Galatians 4:9-10
9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, why do you turn back again to the weak and miserable elemental principles, to which you desire to be in bondage all over again? 10 You observe days, months, seasons, and years.
 
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Yes, he was obviously antagonizing them. The issue was work on the Sabbath and Jesus admitted to that.

John 5:17
In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”

He would not have antagonized them at the cost of disqualifying himself from being our Savior. If priests could perform their duties on the Sabbath and we are permitted to get a child or an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath, then some forms of works are permitted and were never intended to be understood as being prohibited by the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Sabbath was given for our own good and not for our deterinmen, and as such it was never intended to e used as an excuse to avoid loving our neighbor.
 
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God will still judge everyone by the law and everyone will be punished and rewarded according to what they have done. See Romans 2. "You will reap what you sow."
Where does Scripture say that God will judge Gentiles by the Law?
 
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He would not have antagonized them at the cost of disqualifying himself from being our Savior. If priests could perform their duties on the Sabbath and we are permitted to get a child or an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath, then some forms of works are permitted and were never intended to be understood as being prohibited by the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Sabbath was given for our own good and not for our deterinmen, and as such it was never intended to e used as an excuse to avoid loving our neighbor.
I'm not claiming that he was sinning. I am claiming that he was putting the law aside.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
 
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Just hoping to hear your thoughts on if you believe it is still sin to break God's 10 Commandments?
It is a sin to break Christ's law, the Torah however is not for us.
 
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I'm not claiming that he was sinning. I am claiming that he was putting the law aside.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160) and eternal instructions for how to act in accordance with God's eternal righteousness can't be set aside without first setting aside God's eternal righteousness. If the law was set aside, then the fact that Jesus was sinless would have no significance.

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they did not understand that the righteousness of God only comes through faith in Christ. So they failed to obtain righteousness because they pursued the Law as through righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of by pursuing the Law as through righteousness were by faith, for Christ is the goal of the Law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul quoted Deuteronomy 30:11-14, in regard to this faith saying that God's Law is not too difficult for us, but that His Word is near us, in our heart and in our mouth so that we can obey it, and this is what it means to confess and to submit to Jesus as Lord. So there is absolutely nothing in this passage that suggests that Christ set aside his righteous standard, but just the opposite.
 
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It is a sin to break Christ's law, the Torah however is not for us.

Unless you think that Christ was in disagreement with the Spirit or the Father about which laws we should follow, then you should think that the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit, which is the same as the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses.
 
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Where does Scripture say that God will judge Gentiles by the Law?

God is God, so the whole world under His Law and obligated to obey it, otherwise God would not have been just to judge the world with the Flood for their sins or to judge the world in Revelation. Likewise, in 2 Peter 2:6-8, Sodom and Gomorrah were judged because of their Lawless deeds, so they were under God's Law and were obligated to obey it even though they weren't in a covenant relationship with Him.
 
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Unless you think that Christ was in disagreement with the Spirit or the Father about which laws we should follow, then you should think that the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit, which is the same as the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses.
Yet they are not the same. The old covenant is fulfilled (not abolished or thrown away), it is not for us and regardless how much overlap there is we follow the new.
 
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God is God, so the whole world under His Law and obligated to obey it, otherwise God would not have been just to judge the world with the Flood for their sins or to judge the world in Revelation. Likewise, in 2 Peter 2:6-8, Sodom and Gomorrah were judged because of their Lawless deeds, so they were under God's Law and were obligated to obey it even though they weren't in a covenant relationship with Him.
Again, where does Scripture actually say it?
 
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Again, where does Scripture actually say it?

I thought the whole world being under God's Law and being judged with the Flood and 2 Peter 2:6-8 made it pretty clear. The existence of righteousness and sin means that there is a standard of what is and is not righteous or sinful, and that standard is God's Law, and if you believe that Gentiles are required to do what is righteous and to refrain from sin (1 John 3:10, Romans 6:15), then you should think that Gentiles are required to obey God's Law.
 
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Yet they are not the same. The old covenant is fulfilled (not abolished or thrown away), it is not for us and regardless how much overlap there is we follow the new.

Indeed they are the same. Jesus said that he only came to do the Father's will (John 6:38), that he only said what the Father commanded him to say (John 12:49), and that his teachers were not his own, but that of the Father (John 14:24), so he taught the same commands that the Father taught to Moses.

"To fulfill the Law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the Law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law in Matthew 5, this is precisely what he then proceeded to do six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly understand and obey it. In Galatians 5:14, loving your neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to obeying the Law as it should be obeyed, and refers to something countless people have done, not to something unique to Christ. Likewise, Galatians 6:2 says that bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret it in the same way as fulfilling the Law and the Prophets, namely obeying it as it should be. In Romans 15:18-19, it says that Paul fulfilled the Gospel, which again referred to causing Gentiles to become fully obedient to it in word and in deed.
 
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If God needs people to work Saturdays, what business is it of yours? The hospitals are open on Saturday. The gas stations are open on Saturday. You may rest or work any day you want. Whether it is better to have one day off or two, most prefer two. Some would rather work 90 hours a week for it is profitable for them to do so.

Why impose on us a law Jesus did not follow?

Galatians 4:9-10
9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, why do you turn back again to the weak and miserable elemental principles, to which you desire to be in bondage all over again? 10 You observe days, months, seasons, and years.

Jesus was sinless, so he lived in complete obedience to the Law.

Paul is a servant of God, so you should not interpret him as being an enemy of God by teaching against obeying Him. In Galatians 4:8-10, Paul addressed those verses to those formerly did not know God, also known as former pagans. They were not formerly keeping God's holy days, so Paul could not have been criticizing them for returning to them. Furthermore, Paul would never have referred to the holy, righteous, and good laws of God as weak and worthless principles of the world, but rather that is again how he referred to paganism. So whatever he was referring to in verse 10 was in the context of paganism, not in regard to God's holy days.
 
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It is certainly a sin to break the commandments.

But it is not true that if you only obey the Old Testament, then you will not be saved. Moses was saved. Elijah was saved. Abraham was saved. King David was saved. And they had major sins in their lives ... and furthermore they did not know Christ.

I am not being argumentative. Just offering a simple reminder.

Blessings!!
 
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