A question for flat earth people

[Chinchilla]

Scripture doesn't say that the earth is not moving.

And the passage is not God speaking, but is from the perspective of the writer. From his (Joshua's) perspective, the sun stopped moving across the sky.

(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

 

[Tom 1]

well if you look outside of biblical resources every nation has either long day or long night mythological story of dragon swallowing the sun for a day or something similar .

Anyways it simply proves earth is not moving but the moon and sun are .

I don’t suppose we’ll agree on it.

 

[Oldmantook]

Insofar as it does describe the universe in any definite terms, the creation narrative was written from the perspective of the cosmogony of the time, not a 21st C perspective. It’s framed in terms and with an intent that provided the explanation most relevant and necessary to its original hearers to form an understanding of God and themselves in relation to God. If it was written from a 21st C perspective it would be a lot longer and wouldn’t have made sense to the first Israelites, if it happened somehow to have been written from a perspective an equal amount of time into the future as from the first writing to now, it wouldn’t make any sense to us either. Trying to make it fit whatever is known about the universe at any point in time is misunderstanding the point of the narrative, I think.

Your premise would have some validity if the Bible was written from an anthropocentric perspective. However Scripture is theocentric; inspired by God who transmitted what He wanted man to understand. As 2 Tim 3:16 states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" In effect the Bible is written by God. Therefore your interpretation to shoehorn the scriptures from a 21st century perspective amounts to eisegeting the text instead of properly exegeting the text. Scripture stands on its own. As I wrote previously in another reply it is quite ironic that former atheists/agnostics have come to believe the validity of the Bible and become Christians after realizing the earth is flat while most Christians ignore and don't even believe what their own Bibles state about our geocentric cosmology.

 

[Tom 1]

Your premise would have some validity if the Bible was written from an anthropocentric perspective. However Scripture is theocentric; inspired by God who transmitted what He wanted man to understand. As 2 Tim 3:16 states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Therefore your interpretation to shoehorn the scriptures from a 21st century perspective amounts to eisegeting the text instead of properly exegeting the text. Scripture stands on its own. As I wrote previously in another reply it is quite ironic that former atheists/agnostics have come to believe the validity of the Bible and become Christians after realizing the earth is flat while most Christians ignore and don't even believe what their own Bibles state about our geocentric cosmology.

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There’s a bit more to it.

 

[Chinchilla]

I don’t suppose we’ll agree on it.

Well you are tying to fit Heliocentric religion (the worship of sun-god ) into Bible which does not work so yes we won't agree , but you have no Scriptures to support your claim while I showed plenty so it makes my position more coherent.

 

[Oldmantook]

There’s a bit more to it.[/QUOTE]
Such as??

 

[Oldmantook]

There’s a bit more to it.[/QUOTE]
Such as?

 

[Chinchilla]

" ... which orbit earth ... "

You're adding to scripture. Not wise or persuasive ...

(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

 

[JackRT]

Maybe readers took it literally at the time. I’m not sure though, to my mind it reads like figurative language - Lucifer, the son of dawn of Isaiah 14, the morning star, now fallen to earth. It reads as metaphor, I think.

That passage certainly is figurative language. Isaiah here is taunting an arrogant and brutal king of Babylon by suggesting that rather than being like a bright light in the dawn, he will be cast down to earth. Very figurative indeed.

Isaiah 14:3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

 

[Tom 1]

There’s a bit more to it.

Such as?[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure if it’s worth getting into. If you believe in a flat earth then our differences of opinion are so far apart I doubt if we’d be able to properly cover any of the space in between in a few posts.

 

[Chinchilla]

That passage certainly is figurative language. Isaiah here is taunting an arrogant and brutal king of Babylon by suggesting that rather than being a bright light in the dawn, he will be cast down to earth. Very figurative indeed.

Isaiah 14:3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

King of Babylon was not in Eden the garden .

 

[A_Thinker]

(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Clearly poetic language ... and from the point of view of the observer ...

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

 

[Tom 1]

That passage certainly is figurative language. Isaiah here is taunting an arrogant and brutal king of Babylon by suggesting that rather than being a bright light in the dawn, he will be cast down to earth. Very figurative indeed.

Isaiah 14:3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:

Ok right somehow it was in the back of my mind that passage referred to Lucifer and I didn’t re-read the context before posting.

 

[JackRT]

King of Babylon was not in Eden the garden .

Neither was Isaiah the prophet. What is your point?

 

[Oldmantook]

Such as?

I’m not sure if it’s worth getting into. If you believe in a flat earth then our differences of opinion are so far apart I doubt if we’d be able to properly cover any of the space in between in a few posts.[/QUOTE]
We are far apart but as the scripture states "iron sharpens iron." I previously thought flat-earthers were morons until I investigated for myself - both from a scientific as well as from a scriptural perspective. I suggest you do the same and come to your own conclusion. If you want to continue this discussion and ask questions or make comments that is fine too. If not, that is fine.

 

[A_Thinker]

Circle is 2d object , the same as face of water found in Genesis 1 which is flat .

Given the poetic nature of the text, "circle" can easily represent a sphere ...

Isaiah 40:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

[Chinchilla]

Given the poetic nature of the text, "circle" can easily represent a sphere ...

Isaiah 40:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Isaiah knew difference between ball and circle Isaiah 22:18

 

[Tom 1]

I’m not sure if it’s worth getting into. If you believe in a flat earth then our differences of opinion are so far apart I doubt if we’d be able to properly cover any of the space in between in a few posts.

We are far apart but as the scripture states "iron sharpens iron." I previously thought flat-earthers were morons until I investigated for myself - both from a scientific as well as from a scriptural perspective. I suggest you do the same and come to your own conclusion. If you want to continue this discussion and ask questions or make comments that is fine too. If not, that is fine.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think flat earthers are morons. It’s just a way of thinking I can’t get my head around, and I’ve got other things I’m more interested in discussing that are relevant to my own interests. Appreciate your openness to discuss tho.

 

[Chinchilla]

Neither was Isaiah the prophet. What is your point?

Mark 1:2

If you don't believe Jesus that Isaiah was the prophet then I feel sorry .

 

[Chinchilla]

Clearly poetic language ... and from the point of view of the observer ...

5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

So everything that does not fit your heliocentric religion will be poetic I see