A question for flat earth people

[Chinchilla]

Hold on I missed your post edit. I’m slowly working through the bible with reference to the historical contexts and I’m still in Genesis (!), haven’t got to this one yet. I did read something about how this could be possible if the earth gradually slowed instead of suddenly stopping, but I have no idea if that is feasible or not. Also, I read some other stories from around the world of a ‘long day’, but I don’t know how well those match up. If you’re still on here when I get to Joshua I might have a better answer . My basic assumption for much of the bible is that meaning takes precedent, so that’s what I look for first.
The reference to the book of Jasher might mean that the author of Joshua took that record to be literal/accurate, and used it as a source.

If you are in genesis let's talk about sun and moon .

Genesis 1:3-4 God created light and it was light .

Then he created the firmament

Then he created plants Genesis 1:12

Genesis 1:15-16 God created moon and sun for day and night .

First question : what was the light prior to sun ?

Second question : How can moon stop giving it's own light if it is reflecting the light ?
Mark 13:24
“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,”

Isaiah 13:10
“For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.”

 

[Chinchilla]

He didn't explain how He did it ...

he explained how , he stopped sun and moon which orbit earth for a day simple as that

 

[A_Thinker]

he explained how , he stopped sun and moon which orbit earth for a day simple as that

" ... which orbit earth ... "

You're adding to scripture. Not wise or persuasive ...

 

[Chinchilla]

" ... which orbit earth ... "

You're adding to scripture. Not wise or persuasive ...

no I quoted Scripture that earth is not moving , then showed yo the sun and moon moving which were stopped . You are adding Scientism into Scriptures

 

[Chinchilla]

no I quoted Scripture that earth is not moving , then showed yo the sun and moon moving which were stopped . You are adding Scientism into Scriptures

They move around in circle of earth

Isaiah 40:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

[A_Thinker]

no I quoted Scripture that earth is not moving , then showed yo the sun and moon moving which were stopped . You are adding Scientism into Scriptures

Scripture doesn't say that the earth is not moving.

And the passage is not God speaking, but is from the perspective of the writer. From his (Joshua's) perspective, the sun stopped moving across the sky.

 

[A_Thinker]

They move around in circle of earth

Isaiah 40:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

This scripture certainly says that the earth is a circle, ... but not that the sun and moon move around the circle of the earth.

 

[Tom 1]

If you are in genesis let's talk about sun and moon .

Genesis 1:3-4 God created light and it was light .

Then he created the firmament

Then he created plants Genesis 1:12

Genesis 1:15-16 God created moon and sun for day and night .

First question : what was the light prior to sun ?

Second question : How can moon stop giving it's own light if it is reflecting the light ?
Mark 13:24
“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,”

Isaiah 13:10
“For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.”

To understand the creation narrative you first have to take your 21st C hat off and try and understand it from the thinking of the times during which it was written.

 

[Chinchilla]

Scripture doesn't say that the earth is not moving.

And the passage is not God speaking, but is from the perspective of the writer. From his (Joshua's) perspective, the sun stopped moving across the sky.

Earth not moving :
Psalms 104:5
Psalms 96:10
Psalms 93:1
1 Chronicles 16:30

 

[Chinchilla]

To understand the creation narrative you first have to take your 21st C hat off and try and understand it from the thinking of the times during which it was written.

Do you believe Bible is word of God at all or simply word of men who wrote it?

 

[Tom 1]

Do you believe Bible is wors of God at all ?

Yes

 

[CatRandy]

3) If a plane travels from point A to point B in the opposite spin of the earth, $$cientists and new$ journali$t$ say it takes the same time as moving back from point B to point A against the spin of the earth. How is that even logically possible?!?!?

Since the globe and the plane are rotating at equal speeds relative to each other, the absolute speed of revolution of the planet, (and all things on it including the plane) is irrelevant to the speed of the plane whether it's traveling from A to B or from B to A. If the plane is traveling at 500 MPH, it's traveling at 500 MPH relative to the surface of the planet no matter which direction it's traveling.

 

[Chinchilla]

Yes

So when God said he stopped sun and moon why do you override it with narrative of stopping the spin of earth ?

 

[JackRT]

What is it you agree with?

In the example you gave I can’t think of any reason why the image of a star falling should be taken literally, as in an actual star crashing into the earth. If you have other examples and want a response to those feel free but it could get a bit tiresome.

In Biblical times the universe was thought of as a flat disk with a dome overhead with waters above and waters below. The stars moved just under the dome and were thought of as lights and were quite small. In such a cosmology it is indeed possible to think of a literal falling star. With Eristothenes and Ptolemy the earth was shown to be a sphere and the firmament become a full sphere surrounding it with the stars fixed to it. Even in that cosmology stars could come loose and fall to earth. It is only within the past few hundred years that we have come to understand the stars are immensely larger than the earth itself and incredibly far away. There is no such thing as a falling star but we still use the term as a metaphore.

 

[Chinchilla]

This scripture certainly says that the earth is a circle, ... but not that the sun and moon move around the circle of the earth.

Circle is 2d object , the same as face of water found in Genesis 1 which is flat .

But it also says earth does not orbit the sun so why do you believe it ?

 

[Tom 1]

So when God said he stopped sun and moon why do you override it with narrative of stopping the spin of earth ?

I think you are confusing your interpretation of the text with what is in the text (and what isn’t)

 

[Tom 1]

high as 23,000 feet and have been clocked in a dive at 300 mph.


In Biblical times the universe was thought of as a flat disk with a dome overhead with waters above and waters below. The stars moved just under the dome and were thought of as lights and were quite small. In such a cosmology it is indeed possible to think of a literal falling star. With Eristothenes and Ptolemy the earth was shown to be a sphere and the firmament become a full sphere surrounding it with the stars fixed to it. Even in that cosmology stars could come loose and fall to earth. It is only within the past few hundred years that we have come to understand the stars are immensely larger than the earth itself and incredibly far away. There is no such thing as a falling star but we still use the term as a metaphore.

Maybe readers took it literally at the time. I’m not sure though, to my mind it reads like figurative language - Lucifer, the son of dawn of Isaiah 14, the morning star, now fallen to earth. It reads as metaphor, I think.

 

[Chinchilla]

I think you are confusing your interpretation of the text with what is in the text (and what isn’t)

Well you are the one arguing that God stopped the sun by stopping the earth spin , while it clearly says that sun was stopped not the earth .

Why do you believe otherwise ?

 

[Tom 1]

Well you are the one arguing that God stopped the sun by stopping the earth spin , while it clearly says that sun was stopped not the earth .

Why do you believe otherwise ?

I’m not arguing that, just saying I read that somewhere. Maybe the narrative was just lifted from the book of Jasher, another possibility.
The passage is describing an event from the perspective of the people who observed it, if there was such an event. What reason is there to think it is a kind of scientific explanation of the mechanics of what happened? Where does that come into it?

 

[Chinchilla]

I’m not arguing that, just saying I read that somewhere. Maybe the narrative was just lifted from the book of Jasher, another possibility.
The passage is describing an event from the perspective of the people who observed it, if there was such an event. What reason is there to think it is a kind of scientific explanation of the mechanics of what happened? Where does that come into it?

well if you look outside of biblical resources every nation has either long day or long night mythological story of dragon swallowing the sun for a day or something similar .

Anyways it simply proves earth is not moving but the moon and sun are .