Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

[Chinchilla]

Funny. You have refuted scripture.

How does one refute scripture. LOL!!!


This is what Romans 2:7 says.

No interpretation needed.


eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good


eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; Romans 2:7


Likewise Jesus says the same thing.


Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 5:28-29

• those who have done good, to the resurrection of life,

JLB

These who have done good can be the only one who were born of God because only God is good . So they have eternal life and do all the works not to obtain it but because they have obtained it .

 

[GodsGrace101]

Sure. But I will only focus on what the Bible says about it.


I believe what the Bible SAYS.


Do you really NOT see that both are true. Jesus took our punishment for sin. And that is grace to us.


Wrong word. We are GIVEN eternal life because we believe in the Savior.


Eph 2:9 says our salvation is "not of works".

And there are no verses that combine faith plus works, as you erroneously believe.

Try reading Ephesians 2:10 every now and then:

Ephesians 2:8-10
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Galatians 6:9
9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

 

[GodsGrace101]

It's amazing to watch Christians claim that, " Trusting in the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ" is a "messed up explanation."

If all it takes is trusting in Him, which is correct,
why are your explanations so long and convoluted?

As I've stated many times, and shown by my posts,
IT'S SIMPLE.

 

[GodsGrace101]

You say you are not OSAS because you are rebellious towards God.
You are saying "no God , your saving grace is not enough, I have to do works myself to make it complete.
That's called egotism.
You think you are so important that you have to prove to God how good you are, and then and only then will he approve of you.
The Bible does not teach that.

I'm rebellious toward God.
His grace is not enough.
I have to do works.
I'm egotistical.
I'm important.
I prove to God how good I am.
Then He'll approve of me.
The bible does not teach this.

And all this because I say we need to obey God.

Tell me,,,what DOES the bible say?

 

[BNR32FAN]

If all it takes is trusting in Him, which is correct,
why are your explanations so long and convoluted?

As I've stated many times, and shown by my posts,
IT'S SIMPLE.

Trust is not all it takes. Fruit, repentance and baptism are also required.

 

[GodsGrace101]

So far so good.


Fell off the cliff. Eph 2:8 say's no such thing.
New American Standard Bible
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

This has never been refuted and this point MUST be refuted if your theory is correct.

Have been saved is a periphrastic PERFECT. It is a Greek phrase that puts added emphasis to the PERFECT. The perfect tense says all that is needed, but Paul phrased it in a way to add exclamation so as there are NO LOOPHOLES in what he is saying.

We have been saved in the past, those results are ongoing and WILL go on forever.PERIOD. No loopholes. No questions. We have been saved, we are saved and we will be saved forever.

This construct could not be used if your theory is correct. Prove that it was not used.

What do you want me to prove?
That IF WE DO NOT HAVE FAITH,
We are not saved?

So what you're saying is that we could NOT HAVE FAITH,
and STILL be saved?

Which bible are you reading?
The Christian one?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Trust is not all it takes. Fruit, repentance and baptism are also required.

You won't get any argument from me.

But TRUST implies obedience - which is my point all along.
If we obey, we also get baptized like Jesus said to do, we also bear good fruit like Jesus said to do, and we repent, but repent does not mean feel sorry for our sins.

Repent means to turn away from satan and change direction and walk toward God.

However, we've come to use the word repent to mean "feel sorry for", so I'm OK with it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

So far so good.


Fell off the cliff. Eph 2:8 say's no such thing.
New American Standard Bible
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

This has never been refuted and this point MUST be refuted if your theory is correct.

Have been saved is a periphrastic PERFECT. It is a Greek phrase that puts added emphasis to the PERFECT. The perfect tense says all that is needed, but Paul phrased it in a way to add exclamation so as there are NO LOOPHOLES in what he is saying.

We have been saved in the past, those results are ongoing and WILL go on forever.PERIOD. No loopholes. No questions. We have been saved, we are saved and we will be saved forever.

This construct could not be used if your theory is correct. Prove that it was not used.

Excellent explanation! Thanks.

But the OSNAS crowd doesn't believe what the Bible says. Obviously.

In fact, they don't believe Jesus, who said that recipients of eternal life shall never, no, not ever, perish.

 

[FreeGrace2]

What happens if one doesn't obey God?

John 3:36 JESUS said:
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

If by "obey" you mean what the Greek word means, then they aren't saved.

But if by "obey" you mean following all His commands, then He SPANKS His rebellious child.

But it seems you don't appreciate the difference.

 

[OSAS 101]

It says for you worship God and edify the church.
You edify nobody here.

 

[Chinchilla]

If one want to be under works salvation like Christ said , sell everything what you had including this pc and go follow him , chop your arm off if it offended you and pluck your eye to stop watching wicked half naked women on commercials .

If you can't do such then don't be hypocrite to others expecting them to do such .

Luke 18:18-23 King James Version (KJV)
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.


I don't have to do it because Christ did it for me , simply accepting his finished work as mine own .

 

[FreeGrace2]

Try reading Ephesians 2:10 every now and then:

Ephesians 2:8-10
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Why do you think I either don't know the verse, or don't like the verse.

v.10 is what believers SHOULD do. Do you even understand that?

John 5:28-29

28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Please don't fail to do what JLB always does and ignore v.24, which is part of the context.

Galatians 6:9
9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

The word "reap" indicates work or effort. So this verse refers to earning reward in eternity.

 

[FreeGrace2]

If all it takes is trusting in Him, which is correct,
why are your explanations so long and convoluted?

They aren't, but you are free to think anything you want.

 

[Gr8Grace]

God has always expected obedience. I fail to understand why this scares some.

God has always expected obedience......from the right motive. What scares me is that I fully understand that the majority of believers have the wrong motive.

A walking in the Spirit, filled with the Spirit believer feeds the poor. Divine good. And will be rewarded.

A carnal believer feeds the poor out of obligation to the Lord to keep His seal, not lose his salvation or to maintain his salvation because they do not believe His Promises to them. Human good,worthless and will be burned up.

It's a pleasure to honor and serve the God we love, Jesus who died for us such a horrible death. The least we could do is obey Him.

Blessings

This is the contrast between you and me. Rather than focus on what I can do for Him, I focus on what He did for me and what His life and death and resurrection did and procured for me and other believers. If we don't have that figured out, we just offer lip service and used menstrual rags to Him.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Excellent explanation! Thanks.

But the OSNAS crowd doesn't believe what the Bible says. Obviously.

In fact, they don't believe Jesus, who said that recipients of eternal life shall never, no, not ever, perish.

The English is clear enough........Clear enough that it takes a hard heart to reject it.

 

[GodsGrace101]

It says for you worship God and edify the church.
You edify nobody here.

And who have YOU edified with your two posts?

Maybe we should be thinking about obeying God instead of edifying persons with LIES?

Maybe we should be edifying others with THE TRUTH since the truth will set us free and not lies?

 

[BNR32FAN]

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You won't get any argument from me.

But TRUST implies obedience - which is my point all along.
If we obey, we also get baptized like Jesus said to do, we also bear good fruit like Jesus said to do, and we repent, but repent does not mean feel sorry for our sins.

Repent means to turn away from satan and change direction and walk toward God.

However, we've come to use the word repent to mean "feel sorry for", so I'm OK with it.

Yes I believe the Greek word for faith which is pistis implies obedience along with belief. Trustworthiness, faithfulness, fidelity, and loyalty are also included in the definition of pistis. If you look at James 2:14-26 and John 15:1-8 in this context it seems to make perfect sense. I think devotion is implied in these verses. Not merely a thought of belief but a real sense of belief that is accompanied with the characteristics of it. For example if you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that He is God then you would obey Him and be devoted to Him if you love Him and value your salvation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Maybe we should be edifying others with THE TRUTH since the truth will set us free and not lies?

How does the notion that one can lose salvation edify anyone?

 

[GodsGrace101]

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Yes I believe the Greek word for faith which is pistis implies obedience along with belief. Trustworthiness, faithfulness, fidelity, and loyalty are also included in the definition of pistis. If you look at James 2:14-26 and John 15:1-8 in this context it seems to make perfect sense. I think devotion is implied in these verses. Not merely a thought of belief but a real sense of belief that is accompanied with the characteristics of it. For example if you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that He is God then you would obey Him and be devoted to Him if you love Him and value your salvation.

Of course. I even listed some links for some here to go to if they wish. Theologians today have realized that BELIEVE in koine Greek had the idea of obedience in it; as is apparent just from the explanation of believe even today, as you've stated.

And, your whole point is correct. If we love Jesus and believe in Him, we will also trust Him and obey Him.

 

[FreeGrace2]

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Yes I believe the Greek word for faith which is pistis implies obedience along with belief.

Even you don't get that idea from any Greek lexicon.

Trustworthiness, faithfulness, fidelity, and loyalty are also included in the definition of pistis.

All these words are directed TO the Lord Jesus Christ for what He did for you.

They don't mean that He trusts you, or is faithful to you, or loyal to you, in any way.

If you look at James 2:14-26 and John 15:1-8 in this context it seems to make perfect sense.

It makes much better sense to view John 15 as a call to fellowship, whereby the believer is able to bear fruit. Being out of fellowship means the believer is unable to bear fruit.

James is about demonstrating one's faith before others so that others can SEE their faith.

I think devotion is implied in these verses.

That's exactly what fellowship is all about!!