The Torah is still valid..

[Rubiks]

..for whom it was originally intended for, i.e. the Jewish People.

Jesus says in Matthew 24 (NRSV) about the end times (which of course comes after Jesus' crucifixion)

“So when you see the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place, as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 17 the one on the housetop must not go down to take what is in the house; 18 the one in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 19 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Messiah! or ‘There he is!’—do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 Take note, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

Jesus says the Sabbath is still valid.

 

[Tomb523]

..for whom it was originally intended for, i.e. the Jewish People.

Jesus says the Sabbath is still valid.

The essence of the law is still valid, but not by adhering to the set of rules as spelled out in the 613 laws. One could follow each and every law to the letter and still not be saved and this is the message Jesus brought to us. Just as the Pharisee who invited Jesus to dinner performed the ceremonial washing of the cup, Jesus pointed out that the outside is clean, but the inside is still dirty. The point: An outward act doesn't make us holy. It doesn't save us. Our only salvation is in loving God with all our heart, all our soul and all our might and loving our neighbor the same. If we do that, all other things will fall into place.

Regarding the Sabbath, it is important to our well being, first of all. Jesus said, the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. In other words, we have the sabbath to give us rest and to allow us to reconnect with God and re-energize. Yes it is still valid, but again, if we love God with all we are, we'll WANT to spend some time with him. But what if we obey the sabbath by not doing any work, but we also ignore God. We don't pray, we don't offer thanksgiving, we just take the day off? Maybe we go to Church, but then the minute we leave, we put God on the back burner and go to the park or go to friends and enjoy their company without a thought of God? Is that obeying the sabbath?

Is the sabbath actually Saturday or does it matter as long as 1 day out of every 6 you worship God and rest from your normal work? It is so easy to get caught up in obeying the rules that we miss the point. It is similar with the food laws. In times of sacrifice, many pagans/gentiles sacrificed animals to gods an din most cases it was swine which is one of the reasons God made it a detestable animal. But Paul was clear, if you can eat it without associating it to another god, then it's ok, but don't let someone who can't make that discernment partake or see you eating it either.

So yea, I agree that the spirit of the Torah is still very much a part of our worship, but not in it's specific set of rules, but rather what's in our hearts.

 

[Dave L]

..for whom it was originally intended for, i.e. the Jewish People.

Jesus says in Matthew 24 (NRSV) about the end times (which of course comes after Jesus' crucifixion)

“So when you see the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place, as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 17 the one on the housetop must not go down to take what is in the house; 18 the one in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 19 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Messiah! or ‘There he is!’—do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 Take note, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

Jesus says the Sabbath is still valid.

If the Sabbath is still valid, you cannot heat your house in the winter on Saturday. Or cook for that matter.

 

[dreadnought]

..for whom it was originally intended for, i.e. the Jewish People.

Jesus says in Matthew 24 (NRSV) about the end times (which of course comes after Jesus' crucifixion)

“So when you see the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place, as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16 then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; 17 the one on the housetop must not go down to take what is in the house; 18 the one in the field must not turn back to get a coat. 19 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Messiah! or ‘There he is!’—do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 Take note, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

Jesus says the Sabbath is still valid.

A little common sense helps distinguish what was meant only for the Jews, and what was meant for everybody. For example, if something was an abomination for the Jews, it was an abomination for us.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If the Sabbath is still valid, you cannot heat your house in the winter on Saturday.

Where does it say that?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus said, the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Is the sabbath actually Saturday or does it matter as long as 1 day out of every 6 you worship God and rest from your normal work?

The Sabbath and marriage were instituted from the beginning. The 7th day? Genesis 2:3

 

[Dave L]

Where does it say that?

“You must not kindle a fire in any of your homes on the Sabbath day.”” (Exodus 35:3)

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

“You must not kindle a fire in any of your homes on the Sabbath day.”” (Exodus 35:3)

Do you know what kindle means? Do you understand WHY?

 

[Dave L]

Do you know what kindle means?

I בער: MHb. hif. to kindle, MHb.2 qal, JArm.tg CPArm. to burn, to kindle, Mnd. (MdD 49b) to burn something, Ug. bʿr to burn (Driver Myths 163b; Gray Legacy 1023 :: UMGl. 343; Aistleitner 559; Bibl. 38:375); ? Ph. (DISO 40); Moab., Kerak

Koehler, L., Baumgartner, W., Richardson, M. E. J., & Stamm, J. J. (1994–2000). The Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon of the Old Testament (electronic ed., p. 145). Leiden: E.J. Brill.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I בער: MHb. hif. to kindle, MHb.2 qal, JArm.tg CPArm. to burn, to kindle, Mnd. (MdD 49b) to burn something, Ug. bʿr to burn (Driver Myths 163b; Gray Legacy 1023 :: UMGl. 343; Aistleitner 559; Bibl. 38:375); ? Ph. (DISO 40); Moab., Kerak

Koehler, L., Baumgartner, W., Richardson, M. E. J., & Stamm, J. J. (1994–2000). The Hebrew and Aramaic lexicon of the Old Testament (electronic ed., p. 145). Leiden: E.J. Brill.

תְבַעֲר֣וּ
It is the ACTION of doing it. You can't collect wood for it on Shabbat either. So what does that tell you? Can't cook on Shabbat either. So what does that tell you? Do you think the Almighty wanted us to starve or freeze on Shabbat? Maybe you should learn about Shabbat before you start commenting on it...??

 

[Dave L]

תְבַעֲר֣וּ
It is the ACTION of doing it. You can't collect wood for it on Shabbat either. So what does that tell you? Can't cook on Shabbat either. So what does that tell you? Do you think the Almighty wanted us to starve or freeze on Shabbat? Maybe you should learn about Shabbat before you start commenting on it...??

It only proves the sabbath was for the folks God brought out of Egypt and placed into a warm climate. Until Jesus abolished the Sabbath and circumcision along with the Ten Commandments on the cross.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It only proves the sabbath was for the folks God brought out of Egypt and placed into a warm climate. Until Jesus abolished the Sabbath and circumcision along with the Ten Commandments on the cross.

LOL, it only proves you have no idea of what you are talking about. You DO know it snows in Israel? He never abolished anything of the sort. The Sabbath as well as marriage was instituted at Creation. The 10 Commandments? Try Mark 12:30-31 and Matthew 5:18

 

[Dave L]

LOL, it only proves you have no idea of what you are talking about. You DO know it snows in Israel? He never abolished anything of the sort. The Sabbath as well as marriage was instituted at Creation. The 10 Commandments? Try Mark 12:30-31 and Matthew 5:18

Is it ever 20- like it is here?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Is it ever 20- like it is here?

Again, you are missing the point...

 

[Dave L]

Again, you are missing the point...

The point is you cannot keep the sabbath without keeping all of the Law.

“For the one who obeys the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.” (James 2:10)

 

[LoveofTruth]

LOL, it only proves you have no idea of what you are talking about. You DO know it snows in Israel? He never abolished anything of the sort. The Sabbath as well as marriage was instituted at Creation. The 10 Commandments? Try Mark 12:30-31 and Matthew 5:18

the ten commandments are done away and abolished as a ministration in 2 Cor 3. The Sabbath included. When OT prophets and Jesus speak to the Jews, they use language that they can understand. Even if in the future the meanings are fulfilled.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The point is you cannot keep the sabbath without keeping all of the Law.

“For the one who obeys the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.” (James 2:10)

So you should not even try? So when you were in school did you ever take a test? Why, if you cant get every question correct ALL THE TIME? I am sorry you have been so mis-informed. BTW, NO ONE can keep the whole Law...that was never the point.

 

[Dave L]

So you should not even try? So when you were in school did you ever take a test? Why, if you cant get every question correct ALL THE TIME? I am sorry you have been so mis-informed. BTW, NO ONE can keep the whole Law...that was never the point.

But, the sabbath is the sign of the Law. And if you keep that, you must reject Christ and keep the whole thing.

 

[LoveofTruth]

If the Sabbath is still valid, you cannot heat your house in the winter on Saturday. Or cook for that matter.

Yes and I think they had to offer animal sacrifice with EVERY sabbath as I remember.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

the ten commandments are done away and abolished as a ministration in 2 Cor 3. The Sabbath included. When OT prophets and Jesus speak to the Jews, they use language that they can understand. W=Even if in the future the meanings are fiufilled.

Sorry you also are so mis-informed. So it is OK to steal and murder now? The 10 were actually re-enforced! Matthew 5:27-28

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Do you just say this? HOW do you DO that? The first 4 Commandments show how you love The Almighty, the last 6 show how you love your neighbor.