A conversation about unity.

[concretecamper]

No, I was quoting Scripture. Offering our bodies to God is our spiritual worship.

You quoted Scripture and then added on your 2 cents to the verse. That is adding to Scripture.

"Paul tells us to offer our bodies as a true and living sacrifice - which is our spiritual worship, Romans 12:1"

Paul doesn't say anything about Spiritual worship in that verse.

 

[Strong in Him]

You quoted Scripture and then added on your 2 cents to the verse. That is adding to Scripture.

"Paul tells us to offer our bodies as a true and living sacrifice - which is our spiritual worship, Romans 12:1"

Paul doesn't say anything about Spiritual worship in that verse.

He does in the ESV

Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

NIV

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship

NLT

And so, dear brothers and sisters,a I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice—the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him.

Amplified

Therefore I urge you, Romans 12 Amplified Biblebrothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies [dedicating all of yourselves, set apart] as a living sacrifice, holy and well-pleasing to God, which is your rational (logical, intelligent) act of worship.

Why didn't you consider other translations of Scripture before accusing me of adding to God's word?

 

[concretecamper]

Paul tells us to offer our bodies as a true and living sacrifice - which is our spiritual worship, Romans 12:

He does in the ESV

NIV

NLT

Amplified


Why didn't you consider other translations of Scripture before accusing me of adding to God's word?

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercy of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing unto God, your reasonable service.


First, the link you provided didn't say spiritual worship, you added it

Second, because I use a Traditional Bible, not ones you listed and are considered heretical by most since they add to/change the text (like you just did).

Translations you mention diminish the worship due to God.

 

[Strong in Him]

First, the link you provided didn't say spiritual worship, you added it

No I didn't ADD it - stop making untrue accusations.
Actually I learnt that verse in a particular translation and was quoting it from memory.

Second, because I use a Traditional Bible, not ones considered heretical by most since they add to/change the text (like you just did).

I did not change the text.
Changing it would mean that no translation anywhere used the phrase "Spiritual worship", I decided it fitted my agenda so I was going to use it.
A number of translations say that offering our bodies to God is spiritual, or true, worship. It's your problem if you want to call God's word "heretical."

Translations you mention diminish the worship due to God.

Nonsense.

 

[concretecamper]

No I didn't ADD it - stop making untrue accusations.
Actually I learnt that verse in a particular translation and was quoting it from memory.

I did not change the text.
Changing it would mean that no translation anywhere used the phrase "Spiritual worship", I decided it fitted my agenda so I was going to use it.
A number of translations say that offering our bodies to God is spiritual, or true, worship. It's your problem if you want to call God's word "heretical."

Nonsense.

Let's just say I prefer translations published before the 2nd half of the 20th Century.

 

[Hentenza]

Let's just say I prefer translations published before the 2nd half of the 20th Century.

KJV?

 

[Strong in Him]

Let's just say I prefer translations published before the 2nd half of the 20th Century.

You are entitled to use whichever translation of the Bible helps/suits you - you are not entitled to call other translations "heretical".

And by the way, when someone writes a Bible reference on this forum, assuming they write it correctly, it gets turned into a link.
I had no idea which translation of the Bible would be quoted in the link provided.

 

[Hentenza]

What, exactly do you think those verses teach or prove?

That the early church met in houses. This is well known. Are you just arguing against this just for the sake of arguing?

 

[ralliann]

Then why do you want to receive communion in a Catholic Church? I know that in many Protestant denominations the bread & juice are regarded as symbols without substantial reality as the body and blood of Christ and knowing that I do not want to receive bread and wine/juice in such denominations because to do so would imply that I shared their view of what communion is, and I do not.

This is not itself a reason for not partaking. I could accept the Catholic eucharist as true. But if I cannot accept Mary as co redemptrix personally in action and deed, I cannot pertake right?