Daniel 11 & 12 historically explained step by step.

[Revealing Times]

As far as the strong's number of what the word for covenant means, here is Jeremiah 31:32. The strong's number in this verse, clearly speaking about the Mt. Sinai covenant, is the same as in Daniel 9:27. 1285.

I don't think Dan.9:27 said Sinai did it sir? I said he WORD Covenant means AGREEMENT. Now go back, research, and show me where it says Sinai anywhere in Dan. chapter 9, then get back with me. And no, its only clear to you Mr. Douggg, nobody else sees Sinai in that verse. It obstructs your whole view, you got it in ingrained long ago, and it dominates your whole thought process it seems.

And I might have stated Strong's but I am using these two in this instance because I am researching the original Hebrew texts.

—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

But here's the Actually Strong's on Covenant: BELOW:

From H1262 (in the sense of cutting (like H1254)); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh):—confederacy, [con-]feder[-ate], covenant, league.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

Nowhere even in Strong's does it say a Holy Covenant, what I suspect you are on is a COMMENTARY BOARD.

Here is the link to the site.

I don't need a link , I know what it means.....Covenant means AGREEMENT....I am not looking for Sinai Covenant like you, because Sinai is nowhere to be found in that verse.

I don't know why you think the text of Daniel 9:27 has to include the word "Holy" to be referring to the Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Jeremiah 31:32, clearly speaking about the Mt Sinai covenant, it doesn't include the word "Holy"

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Because I can show you many places in the bible where Covenant means AGREEMENT between men. And verse 32 points toward a SPECIFIC COVENANT. (SMH)

And yes HE RENEGES in the middle of the week. Dan. 8:25 says BY PEACE he destroys MANY, meaning he uses peace to deceive MANY NATIONS including Israel, then he turns on them, meaning he BREAKS THE PEACE AGREEMENTS !! Meaning he RENEGES !!

???? I have no idea what you are trying to communicate. The feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast on the dead bodies as in Revelation 19:17-20. Which is a thousand years before the reference to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 at the end of the millenium.

Ezekiel 38-39:16, Gog/Magog
Then the 7 years of Daniel 9:27
Then the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20

Douggg, this below can not be denied !!

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

When does this happen Mr. Douggg? After the 1000 year reign.

 

[Douggg]

I don't think Dan.9:27 said Sinai did it sir? I said he WORD Covenant means AGREEMENT. Now go back, research, and show me where it says Sinai anywhere in Dan. chapter 9, then get back with me. And no, its only clear to you Mr. Douggg, nobody else sees Sinai in that verse. It obstructs your whole view, you got it in ingrained long ago, and it dominates your whole though process it seems.

You were trying to make a point that Daniel 9:27 the strong's numbers for covenant could not be the same as for the Mt. Sinai covenant. In response, I showed in Jeremiah 31:32 the strong's number for covenant s the same as in Daniel 9:27. So your point - negated.

Now you want me show where the word "Sinai" appears in Daniel 9? The word itself is of course not in Daniel 9, but reference to the Mt. Sinai covenant is in Daniel 9.

As Daniel was confessing on the behalf of his people, Daniel referred to the Mt. Sinai covenant, which the law was given. And the terms of the Mt. Sinai covenant, "the oath" of a curse, if they started worshiping false gods, would be poured out on them.

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

And I might have stated Strong's but I am using these two in this instance because I am researching the original Hebrew texts.

RT, please, just cut your losses.

Because I can show you many places in the bible where Covenant means AGREEMENT between men. And verse 32 points toward a SPECIFIC COVENANT. (SMH)

You cannot show me a covenant between men in the bible that has to be confirmed on the 7 year shmita cycle or any 7 year cycle or for 7 years.

Moses made it a requirement to confirm (the word confirm is not in the text, but the essence is) the Mt. Sinai covenant on the 7 year shmita cycle in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. And the Jews I have talked to are aware of the requirement say the speech has to be be given from the temple mount.

Douggg, this below can not be denied !!

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

When does this happen Mt Douggg? After the 1000 year reign.

Why do you continue with this? How does Ezekiel 39:21-22 apply to being after the judgment in Revelation 20:9......

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

 

[Revealing Times]

You were trying to make a point that Daniel 9:27 the strong's numbers for covenant could not be the same as for the Mt. Sinai covenant. In response, I showed in Jeremiah 31:32 the strong's number for covenant s the same as in Daniel 9:27. So your point - negated.

I clicked on your link then on the WORD COVENANT:

Word: ZIXA

Pronounce: ber-eeth'

Strong: H1285

Orig: from 1262 (in the sense of cutting (like 1254)); a compact (because made by passing between pieces of flesh):--confederacy, (con-)feder(-ate), covenant, league. H1262 H1254

Use: TWOT-282a Noun Feminine

Grk Strong: G1242 G1785

1. 
   1) covenant, alliance, pledge
   1a) between men
   1a1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man)
   1a2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects)
   1a3) agreement, pledge (man to man)
   1a4) alliance (of friendship)
   1a5) alliance (of marriage)
   1b) between God and man
   1b1) alliance (of friendship)
   1b2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges)
   2) (phrases)
   2a) covenant making
   2b) covenant keeping
   2c) covenant violation

Looks like even your site agrees with me !!

 

[Douggg]

Looks like even your site agree with me !!

RT, One of the applications of strong's word 1285 for covenant can be between man to man. But not exclusively as that application only.

The same strong's word (1285) for covenant is found in Jeremiah 31:32 for the covenant God with Israel made at Sinai.

31:32 Not according to the covenant 1285 that I made 3772 8804 with their fathers 1 in the day 3117 [that] I took 2388 8687 them by the hand 3027 to bring them out 3318 8687 of the land 776 of Egypt 4714; which my covenant 1285 they brake 6565 8689, although I was an husband 1166 8804 unto them, saith 5002 8803 the LORD 3068 : (although…: or, should I have continued an husband unto them?)
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Also you misunderstood why I gave you the link to that site. It was not because I didn't think that you did not know what the word covenant meant. It was so that you would have a handy reference site for strong's numbers, generally speaking. Whenever, you have a need.

 

[Douggg]

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RT, a rehash of the main reasons, people are amiss in their eschatology regarding Daniel 9:27.

1. misuse of the term Antichrist, by inattention to the term "the Christ" in the biblical backdrop of being a promised great king of Israel descended from David that would lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

2. unaware of Deuteronomy 31:9-13, the confirmation requirement of the Mt. Sinai covenant on the 7 year schmita cycle - focusing on the land as given to the children of Israel as theirs forever.

A likely reason, in part, is that if a person does a word search for "confirm" or "confirmation", including by strong's numbers and concordances - Deuteronomy 31:9-13 is not going to show up.

It is not going to show up because the word "confirm" is not in there. But the essence of Moses's requirement constitutes confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant.

3. not being aware of what the Jews are expecting of the messiah in their view of the messiah. And that the Jews view the new covenant we know to be in Christ, foretold in Jeremiah 31:32-33, as not being "new" - but as a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant. Hence the confirming according to Moses requirement of the Mt. Sinai covenant would meet their expectation.

4. I am going to add one other thing - and that is the lack of understanding of there being a difference between the transgression of desolation and the abomination of desolation. Or even being aware the term transgression of desolation exists in the bible.

 

[Revealing Times]

RT, One of the applications of strong's word 1285 for covenant can be between man to man. But not exclusively as that application only.

Do you understand why there is like 5 or 6 other mentions before its says God and Man? Because God making a Covenant is VERY, VERY RARE !! It just doesn't happen that often, but men make AGREEMENTS DAILY, hence you have to understand the context in any situation via the verses you are reading and you don't understand Dan. 9:27 it would seem. A MAN makes AGREEMENTS with MANY, not just Israel but with MANY (so MANY stands for many nations/peoples). Read Daniel 11, the chapter this is based on, read the OP I have all of this in the OP Mr Douggg. In verses 40-45 it shows the Anti-Christ conquering MANY NATIONS.

The same strong's word (1285) for covenant is found in Jeremiah 31:32 for the covenant God with Israel made at Sinai.

I do not understand why you don't get it yes if its speaking about THE COVENANT between God and Abraham it will point to that SPECIFICALLY, but an AGREEMENT between the Little Horn and MANY has nothing to do with God.

Also you misunderstood why I gave you the link to that site. It was not because I didn't think that you did not know what the word covenant meant. It was so that you would have a handy reference site for strong's numbers, generally speaking. Whenever, you have a need.

If had clicked the link, it would have taken me away from my post ! !! I like the site.

TRY THIS ONE, it is way cool, you will like it............I use this site, then when I click on a word it takes me to the SECOND LINK.

Daniel 9 - Hebrew English Translation Massoretic Text MT Interlinear Holy Name King James Version KJV Strong's Concordance Online Parallel Bible Study

Strong's Number 1285 Hebrew Dictionary of the Old Testament Online Bible with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Brown Driver Briggs Lexicon, Etymology, Translations Definitions Meanings & Key Word Studies - Lexiconcordance.com

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Revealing Times said: ↑
The High Priest (prince of the covenant)

would that be Onias?

Too many Chiefs makes for a crowded wigwam............

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...clouds-of-heaven.8070185/page-2#post-72865223

John 11:49
And one of them, Caiaphas, being Chief priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all,

John 18:13
And they led Him away to Annas first, for he was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was Chief priest that year.

Acts 23:
2 At this, the Chief Priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth.
3 Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall!
You sit here to judge me according to the Law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck.”

Acts 24:1
Now after five days Ananias the Chief priest came down with the elders and a certain orator named Tertullus. These gave evidence to the governor against Paul.


Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great Chief Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

 

[brinny]

Too many Chiefs makes for a crowded wigwam............

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...clouds-of-heaven.8070185/page-2#post-72865223

John 11:49
And one of them, Caiaphas, being Chief priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all,

John 18:13
And they led Him away to Annas first, for he was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was Chief priest that year.

Acts 23:
2 At this, the Chief Priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth.
3 Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall!
You sit here to judge me according to the Law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck.”

Acts 24:1
Now after five days Ananias the Chief priest came down with the elders and a certain orator named Tertullus. These gave evidence to the governor against Paul.


Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great Chief Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

Gotta love Paul's spunk.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I will endeavor to explain each step of the multi-faceted prophecy by Daniel in chapters 11 and 12. Its a tedious project to be sure, but I got tired of telling everyone who asked me what Daniel chapter 11 meant and having to tell them it was too complex, so I went to studying and matching each verse with history as best I could. I found Daniel chapter 12 is an extension of Daniel chapter 11, so they kind of go hand and hand. This will be a tad long, but its a valuable thread.............................

Great thread. I especially like Daniel 11, North vs South.
Judah and Israel come to mind after the split:

The northern kingdom continued to be called the Kingdom/House of Israel or Israel,

while the southern kingdom was called the Kingdom/House of Judah.

Those 2 kingdoms/houses had a few scrapes against in each in the OT [including Saul and David]

1 Kings 12:21
"When Rehoboam came to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and eighty thousand chosen warriors, to fight against the house of Israel,
to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon."

 

[brinny]

Great thread. I especially like Daniel 11, North vs South.
Judah and Israel come to mind after the split:

The northern kingdom continued to be called the Kingdom/House of Israel or Israel,

while the southern kingdom was called the Kingdom/House of Judah.

Those 2 kingdoms/houses had a few scrapes against in each in the OT [including Saul and David]

1 Kings 12:21
"When Rehoboam came to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and eighty thousand chosen warriors, to fight against the house of Israel,
to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon."

Saul should'a counted his blessings when David didn't outright kill him at least twice when he had ample opportunity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If had clicked the link, it would have taken me away from my post ! !! I like the site.

TRY THIS ONE, it is way cool, you will like it............I use this site, then when I click on a word it takes me to the SECOND LINK.

Daniel 9 - Hebrew English Translation Massoretic Text MT Interlinear Holy Name King James Version KJV Strong's Concordance Online Parallel Bible Study

Nice site.............

 

[Revealing Times]

Great thread. I especially like Daniel 11, North vs South.
Judah and Israel come to mind after the split:

The northern kingdom continued to be called the Kingdom/House of Israel or Israel,

while the southern kingdom was called the Kingdom/House of Judah.

Those 2 kingdoms/houses had a few scrapes against in each in the OT [including Saul and David]

1 Kings 12:21
"When Rehoboam came to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and eighty thousand chosen warriors, to fight against the house of Israel,
to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon."

I see they have bumped my thread, I have been busy most of the day, being Sunday.

Nice site.............

Yes its very helpful in ones studies, I like it a lot, glad to share it with everyone.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Revelation 11:2 seems to be referring to Luke 21:24----and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Nothing in Revelation 11 seems to be specifically in regards to any of the events connected with 70 AD.

It appears Luke 21:24 is also referring to Revelation 13:10

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...21-24-revelation-13-10.8073340/#post-72945941
Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10[Poll Thread]

Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of sword
and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Reve 11:2/13:10]

Revelation 13:10
If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, .................Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves.
Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.

........the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.
After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.[Deuteronomy 28:68]

Deuteronomy 28:
67 “In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’
because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.
68 “And the LORD will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.'
And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”

 

[DaDad]

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First of all:
Daniel 11 starts at Daniel 10:1, where Cyrus is still king over the Persians. He has eclipsed the Babylonian empire in military and economic strength, but hasn't conquered the Babylonians yet. When Cyrus DOES defeat the Babylonians, he will be called "king Cyrus" as Chapter 1:21 defines. But until then, Cyrus is only king over the Persians.

Secondly:
Daniel 11:1 says: And as for me, in the first year of Darius the Mede, I stood up to confirm and strengthen him.

Did MacArthur need "strengthening" while signing the surrender document onboard the U.S.S. Missouri battleship? No, but the Japanese foreign minister, Mamoru Shigemitsu certainly did. And so too, where Darius the Mede has been incorrectly "identified" as a Medo/Persian, in contradiction to HISTORICAL EVIDENCE, Scripture plainly states he was the last Babylonian king (--that needed confirmation and strengthening--):

Daniel 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasu-e′rus, by birth a Mede, who became king over the realm of the Chalde′ans— ​

So after the city of Babylon was surrounded Darius was made king, but were couriers sent to the world's kingdoms and libraries? NO, -- THE CITY WAS SURROUNDED.


-- Perhaps we should all OBEY what the angel said in 12:4 & 9. The prophecies are NOT ANCIENT, they're modern.

4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. ​

Thanks,
DaDad