Daniel 11 & 12 historically explained step by step.

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Your OP is based on placing a GAP in the prophecy of Daniel that is not there in the Bible. It is an invention of a man named Rebera The last week of the prophecy is about JESUS CHRIST and the GOSPEL not the anti-christ, anti-christ means in place of and that is what the gap theory does. It puts ant-christ (Satan) as the fulfillment of the last week instead of Jesus Christ.
OHC, in Zechariah 9:9 this is a referral to Jesus at his first coming, right?

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The very next verse....

10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

That is Jesus at his Second Coming, right? A gap between the two verses of two thousand years between his first coming and second coming.
 
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Your thread and you brought this up so I will reply.

Yes I do listen to people who say Saturday is the Sabbath one of them is
Jesus
Exodus 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God

Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedth out of the mouth of God.

GOD SAID IT I BELIEVE IT

You probable agree that the Sabbath is Saturday as you probable celebrate the resurrection on Easter Sunday, first day of the week. So by your works you agree that the Seventh day Sabbath is Saturday.
Jesus was fulfilling the law, this is why he obeyed the law. I am not just a prophecy guy. If you will listen, instead of putting up a brick wall I can teach you why the SDA are wrong, most of you put up the wall, I had a young friend I rescued from the SDA 25 years ago. Don't take umbrage that I don't agree with the SDA positions, everyone has a right to believe as they so desire, I just think its wrong.

For starters, Gods Covenant was NEVER THE LAW did you know that? It was always the PROMISE OF THE COMING SEED !! The seed that would take away the sins of the world. The Law was added when? 430 years after the promise. WATCH THIS:

(KJV)Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.{Get it ?}

17 And this I say, that the covenant(Promise), that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


Because so many people just can not seem to understand the KJV version, I like to post the Holman version as a back up in important debates like this, so HERE GOES:


(HCSB) Galatians 3:15 Brothers, I’m using a human illustration. No one sets aside or makes additions to even a human covenant that has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say “and to seeds,” as though referring to many, but referring to one, and to your seed, who is Christ. 17 And I say this: The law, which came 430 years later, does not revoke a covenant that was previously ratified by God and cancel the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is from the law, it is no longer from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.

I got a surprise for a whole lot of people, the COVENANT was NEVER the LAW, it was always THE PROMISE of the coming SEED which is/was always Jesus Christ our savior.

Jesus stated he came to fulfill the law, and the law requires a SACRIFICE. Jesus fulfilled the law, there is no longer a need for a blood sacrifice. That goes right over most peoples head.

I believe in Christ Jesus all days, 24/7/365 better be Holy Days, because the Holy Spirit lives in us. We are to honor God/Jesus every minute of our lives, not just on a certain day.

The Purpose of the Law
Galatians 3:19
Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. The law was put into effect through angels by means of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not for just one person, but God is one. 21 Is the law therefore contrary to God’s promises? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then righteousness would certainly be by the law. 22 But the Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin’s power, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. 24 The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.

25 But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

This is VERY CLEAR, Israel was given the Law because of their SINS and UNBELIEF. The Law never justified anyone, only FAITH justifies us now and even faithful Abraham was deemed righteous because he BELIEVED GOD !!

But now that Jesus has come, verses 24 and 25 say we no longer need the LAW, because we now have Jesus Christ, the promised SEED/SACRIFICE for the atonement of our sins.

We are SONS OF GOD through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Now that I have shown we are deemed Righteous by Faith alone, I want to go back to the first part of the chapter which shows Paul rebuking the Galatians because they were trying to justify themselves by obeying the LAWS instead of BY FAITH !!

Justification through Faith
Galatians 3:1 You foolish Galatians!
Who has hypnotized you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified? 2 I only want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now going to be made complete by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so much for nothing—if in fact it was for nothing? 5 So then, does God supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law or by hearing with faith?

6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, 7 then understand that those who have faith are Abraham’s sons. 8 Now the Scripture saw in advance that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and told the good news ahead of time to Abraham, saying, All the nations will be blessed through you. 9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith.

No one is justified by the LAW.........Our only JUSTIFICATION is Faith on Jesus Christ.

In Galatians chapter 2 Paul defends his Gospel in Jerusalem, then on verse 11 we SEE THIS:

Freedom from the Law
Galatians 2:11
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned. 12 For he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James. However, when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he feared those from the circumcision party. 13 Then the rest of the Jews joined his hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were deviating from the truth of the gospel, I told Cephas in front of everyone, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel Gentiles to live like Jews?”

15 We who are Jews by birth and not “Gentile sinners” 16 know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified. 17 But if we ourselves are also found to be “sinners” while seeking to be justified by Christ, is Christ then a promoter of sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild the system I tore down, I show myself to be a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I have died to the law, so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ. 20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
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Now lets move to Galatians chapter 4.

Sarah and Hagar: Two Covenants
Galatians 4:21
Tell me, those of you who want to be under the law, don’t you hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and the other by a free woman. 23 But the one by the slave was born according to the impulse of the flesh, while the one by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. 24 These things are illustrations, for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery—this is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

Rejoice, childless woman,
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those
of the woman who has a husband.[g]

28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman. 31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

NOW WATCH THIS IN CHAPTER 5 !!

Freedom of the Christian
Galatians 5:1
Christ has liberated us to be free. Stand firm then and don’t submit again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get yourselves circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all. 3 Again I testify to every man who gets himself circumcised that he is obligated to keep the entire law.

4 You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything; what matters is faith working through love.

7 You were running well. Who prevented you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion did not come from the One who called you. 9 A little yeast leavens the whole lump of dough. 10 I have confidence in the Lord you will not accept any other view. But whoever it is that is confusing you will pay the penalty. 11 Now brothers, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 I wish those who are disturbing you might also get themselves castrated!

13 For you were called to be free, brothers; only don’t use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself. 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out, or you will be consumed by one another.

The Spirit versus the Flesh
16 I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Study Galatians, we are NOT UNDER THE LAW, we are under GRACE by Faith in Jesus Christ. I will finish the reply on another post later. This got a little long, as a preacher I like to be complete in my endeavors.

I do not understand how anyone can read Paul's writing's and not understand that we are not under the law, but under grace via FAITH in Jesus Christ.
 
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They had two swords. And Jesus told them not to use them. Plus, it has nothing to do with the end times and the little horn person in Daniel 8 destroying many by peace.
But the not only used them, they carried them everywhere. There were of course Barbarian thieves and wild animals that might attack you. The point is, they carried weapons on them. And the end time Little Horn also has nothing to do with the 1000 year reign either.

Before? How far before? I think you have a theory that the person as the beast attacks Jerusalem on day 1260 on the timeline. And the two witnesses beginning their preaching on day 1185. That leaves over 3 years of the first half before then, for Israel to embrace the person as the messiah, and anoint him the King of Israel.
Before is all that matters, but if I told you the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the 1260 via the 1335 shouldn't that register with you? I have no theory, I go by the word. You have miscalculated theories, mine fit via the math.

I don't think you can add very well. It's 75 days, not 3.5 years.

t is in the bible what "the Christ" is. But you don't want to accept it. Christ the King of Israel. "Anti" the prefix is well known as instead of and/or against.

That Moses made it a requirement that all future leaders of Israel to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on the 7 year shmita cycle is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

And it is in the bible that during the messianic age they will beat their spears into plow shares. And that Israel's known enemy's will be destroyed in Ezekiel 39 right before the 7 years begin.

What is not in the bible is anything about a peace treaty for 7 years.

Israel NEVER ACCEPT the man as their King Douggg, that comes from you. And yes, the PEACE is in the bible, it doesn't fit your narrative so like the Jews do Jesus, you turn a blind eye to the facts.

Revelation 13:12, 13:14
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The SEVEN HEADED BEAST had the MORTAL WOUND. It was Healed when the Anti-Christ Conquered Jerusalem and became the Beast for 42 months, just because you cant grasp this doesn't mean

Who? Who is going to be threatening Israel, what nation(s)? The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 follow God's destruction of Gog/Magog. Proven so by the Armageddon feast being in Ezekiel 39:17-20. And the Gog feast in Ezekiel 39:4.

Not only will Israel be thinking peace and safety following Gog/Magog, but so will the world, Islam days will be over.

Gog and Magog is clearly after the 1000 year reign in Revelation. How do get all of the Mathematical facts wrong brother?

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

How do yiu miss the timing of Gog and Magog? I don't get it !!
 
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Before is all that matters, but if I told you the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the 1260 via the 1335 shouldn't that register with you?
register with me what? What are you trying to communicate?

If the two witnesses in your scenario begin their preaching on day 1185 of the 7 years, that leaves over 3 years from day 1 to day 1185 of the 7 years - that the Jews are not believers that Jesus is the messiah, but will believe the Antichrist person is their messiah, King of Israel.

This is the true messiah. What did they call him?

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
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Gog and Magog is clearly after the 1000 year reign in Revelation. How do get all of the Mathematical facts wrong brother?

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

How do yiu miss the timing of Gog and Magog? I don't get it !!
Well, you don't get that Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38/39 is right before the 7 years begin - is because you can't make this connection.... between Ezekiel 39:17-20 and Revelation 19:17-18. Why can't you make this connection and insist this takes place in Revelation 20 - when in Revelation 20, none of these things are mentioned?

Ezekiel 39:17
And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.


Revelaiton 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
 
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(Thanks).....I will be in Heaven when all of Revelation is taking place (besides Rev. ch. 1-3), and I will return with Jesus Christ on a white horse and the Marriage Supper is the carnage at Armageddon.
Amen to that Revealing times. I plan on having Box Seats up in the bleachers as well. And my oil lamps are filled, I refuse to be asleep when the Bridegroom comes!:amen:
 
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register with me what? What are you trying to communicate?
reg·is·ter
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1. enter or record on an official list or directory.

1335 - 1260 = 75 Shouldn't that register as an OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF FACT?

If the two witnesses in your scenario begin their preaching on day 1185 of the 7 years, that leaves over 3 years from day 1 to day 1185 of the 7 years - that the Jews are not believers that Jesus is the messiah, but will believe the Antichrist person is their messiah, King of Israel.

I don't have a scenario you have the scenario's I just follow the facts as written in the bible. You are erroneous in you thought process. The Man of Sin is not REVEALED until the MIDWAY POINT which means its not known who he is !! Do you not understand the word brother? Revealed means that the CLOAK is taken off of something that's covered up. So he is only known at the midway point. Your thinking of Israel accepts someone as their "KING MESSIAH" would mean he would have to REVEAL HIMSELF AS SUCH, before God says he does. Why can't you put these obvious tell tale signs together brother? Its called tunnel vision. You have a narrative, FACTS BE GONE, don't bother me. This man is not going to be Revealed until the midway point by the First Seal, yet you proffer that hes already being worshiped as Israel's Messiah King. (Not gonna happen)

Well, you don't get that Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38/39 is right before the 7 years begin - is because you can't make this connection.... between Ezekiel 39:17-20 and Revelation 19:17-18. Why can't you make this connection and insist this takes place in Revelation 20 - when in Revelation 20, none of these things are mentioned?

That't not what the Bibles says though is it Douggg? Its says its after Satan is loosed from the pit where hes just spent 1000 years.

The Marriage Supper happens BEFORE the 1000 year reign. It doesn't fit.
 
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1335 - 1260 = 75 Shouldn't that register as an OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF FACT?
About what? What are you trying to prove by it? There are still the first 1185 days of the 7 years in your narrative that the Jews don't believe in Jesus. During most of that time, the Jews will believe the Antichrist is their messiah King of Israel.
 
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The Man of Sin is not REVEALED until he MIDWAY POINT which means its not known who he is !! Do you not understand the word brother? Revealed means that the CLOAK is taken off of something that's covered up. So he is only known at he midway point. Your thinking of Israel accepts someone as their "KING MESSIAH" would mean he would have to REVEAL HIMSELF AS SUCH, before God says he does
The person does not start the 7 years as the revealed man of sin. 2thessalonians2:3-4 does say that he is not a worldwide widely known figure before then in another capacity.

The person confirms the covenant to begin the seven years - so he is a world wide known figure at that point. And before then he emerges among ten leaders of the fourth kingdom, as being the leader over them, the little horn. So he is anything but an unknown person at that time.

But he is not revealed to be the man of sin until the middle part of the 7 years, by committing the transgression of desolation act. Which will be the end of his time as the Antichrist, King of Israel, illegitimate.
 
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That't not what the Bibles says though is it Douggg? Its says its after Satan is loosed from the pit where hes just spent 1000 years.

The Marriage Supper happens BEFORE the 1000 tear reign. It doesn't fit.
What? I gave you the quotes right from the bible. The Ezekiel 39:17-20 feast by the scavangers corresponds to the Armageddon feast. There is no feast at the end of the destruction of Satan's last rebellion.

How can these verses be at the end of the millennium?

Ezekiel 39:
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
 
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OHC, in Zechariah 9:9 this is a referral to Jesus at his first coming, right?

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The very next verse....

10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

That is Jesus at his Second Coming, right? A gap between the two verses of two thousand years between his first coming and second coming.


Yes there is a gap between the coming of the Messiah and the second coming. However to try and use that as justification for the supposed gap in the 70 week prophecy is a stretch.

Yes verse 9 is about the promised salvation of Zion through the coming of her King the Messiah. The fulfilling of this prophecy is in Matt 21:1-11

It we as gentiles are not part of Zion (Israel) how can we share in this promise.

Verse 10 This is a prophecy of the ultimate abolition of war, Ephraim and Jerusalem represent the ten tribes of the northern kingdom and the two tribes of the southern kingdom of Judah both representing the entire Jewish nation.

Are the Gentiles part of this Jewish nations?


Verse 11 puts the previous verses into context as it says "As for thee" here GOD is addressing his covenant people. "I have sent forth" is a reference to the Israelites still in captivity.

Are we not still held in captivity to sin? Are we not part of the Covenant people?

If we want to claim these verses are pertaining to all mankind then there has to be a Spiritual Israel today not a Literal Israel. "Seventy weeks are determined upon my people" is for literal Israel as they were to preach the Gospel and bring about the Kingdom of GOD which they did not. Thus the Gospel was given to the Gentiles.

The Bible is all about Jesus and the Gospel
 
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Jesus was fulfilling the law, this is why he obeyed the law. I am not just a prophecy guy. If you will listen, instead of putting up a brick wall I can teach you why the SDA are wrong, most of you put up the wall, I had a young friend I rescued from the SDA 25 years ago. Don't take umbrage that I don't agree with the SDA positions, everyone has a right to believe as they so desire, I just think its wrong.

For starters, Gods Covenant was NEVER THE LAW did you know that? It was always the PROMISE OF THE COMING SEED !! The seed that would take away the sins of the world. The Law was added when? 430 years after the promise. WATCH THIS:

(KJV)Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.{Get it ?}

17 And this I say, that the covenant(Promise), that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


Because so many people just can not seem to understand the KJV version, I like to post the Holman version as a back up in important debates like this, so HERE GOES:


(HCSB) Galatians 3:15 Brothers, I’m using a human illustration. No one sets aside or makes additions to even a human covenant that has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say “and to seeds,” as though referring to many, but referring to one, and to your seed, who is Christ. 17 And I say this: The law, which came 430 years later, does not revoke a covenant that was previously ratified by God and cancel the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is from the law, it is no longer from the promise; but God granted it to Abraham through the promise.

I got a surprise for a whole lot of people, the COVENANT was NEVER the LAW, it was always THE PROMISE of the coming SEED which is/was always Jesus Christ our savior.

Jesus stated he came to fulfill the law, and the law requires a SACRIFICE. Jesus fulfilled the law, there is no longer a need for a blood sacrifice. That goes right over most peoples head.

I believe in Christ Jesus all days, 24/7/365 better be Holy Days, because the Holy Spirit lives in us. We are to honor God/Jesus every minute of our lives, not just on a certain day.

The Purpose of the Law
Galatians 3:19
Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. The law was put into effect through angels by means of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not for just one person, but God is one. 21 Is the law therefore contrary to God’s promises? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then righteousness would certainly be by the law. 22 But the Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin’s power, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. 24 The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.

25 But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

This is VERY CLEAR, Israel was given the Law because of their SINS and UNBELIEF. The Law never justified anyone, only FAITH justifies us now and even faithful Abraham was deemed righteous because he BELIEVED GOD !!

But now that Jesus has come, verses 24 and 25 say we no longer need the LAW, because we now have Jesus Christ, the promised SEED/SACRIFICE for the atonement of our sins.

We are SONS OF GOD through Faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Now that I have shown we are deemed Righteous by Faith alone, I want to go back to the first part of the chapter which shows Paul rebuking the Galatians because they were trying to justify themselves by obeying the LAWS instead of BY FAITH !!

Justification through Faith
Galatians 3:1 You foolish Galatians!
Who has hypnotized you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified? 2 I only want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now going to be made complete by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so much for nothing—if in fact it was for nothing? 5 So then, does God supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law or by hearing with faith?

6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, 7 then understand that those who have faith are Abraham’s sons. 8 Now the Scripture saw in advance that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and told the good news ahead of time to Abraham, saying, All the nations will be blessed through you. 9 So those who have faith are blessed with Abraham, who had faith.

No one is justified by the LAW.........Our only JUSTIFICATION is Faith on Jesus Christ.

In Galatians chapter 2 Paul defends his Gospel in Jerusalem, then on verse 11 we SEE THIS:

Freedom from the Law
Galatians 2:11
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned. 12 For he regularly ate with the Gentiles before certain men came from James. However, when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, because he feared those from the circumcision party. 13 Then the rest of the Jews joined his hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were deviating from the truth of the gospel, I told Cephas in front of everyone, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel Gentiles to live like Jews?”

15 We who are Jews by birth and not “Gentile sinners” 16 know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified. 17 But if we ourselves are also found to be “sinners” while seeking to be justified by Christ, is Christ then a promoter of sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild the system I tore down, I show myself to be a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I have died to the law, so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ. 20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
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Now lets move to Galatians chapter 4.

Sarah and Hagar: Two Covenants
Galatians 4:21
Tell me, those of you who want to be under the law, don’t you hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and the other by a free woman. 23 But the one by the slave was born according to the impulse of the flesh, while the one by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. 24 These things are illustrations, for the women represent the two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery—this is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

Rejoice, childless woman,
who does not give birth.
Burst into song and shout,
you who are not in labor,
for the children of the desolate are many,
more numerous than those
of the woman who has a husband.[g]

28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now. 30 But what does the Scripture say? Drive out the slave and her son, for the son of the slave will never be a coheir with the son of the free woman. 31 Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

NOW WATCH THIS IN CHAPTER 5 !!

Freedom of the Christian
Galatians 5:1
Christ has liberated us to be free. Stand firm then and don’t submit again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get yourselves circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all. 3 Again I testify to every man who gets himself circumcised that he is obligated to keep the entire law.

4 You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything; what matters is faith working through love.

7 You were running well. Who prevented you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion did not come from the One who called you. 9 A little yeast leavens the whole lump of dough. 10 I have confidence in the Lord you will not accept any other view. But whoever it is that is confusing you will pay the penalty. 11 Now brothers, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 I wish those who are disturbing you might also get themselves castrated!

13 For you were called to be free, brothers; only don’t use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but serve one another through love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as yourself. 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out, or you will be consumed by one another.

The Spirit versus the Flesh
16 I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Study Galatians, we are NOT UNDER THE LAW, we are under GRACE by Faith in Jesus Christ. I will finish the reply on another post later. This got a little long, as a preacher I like to be complete in my endeavors.

I do not understand how anyone can read Paul's writing's and not understand that we are not under the law, but under grace via FAITH in Jesus Christ.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

By Grace we are not under the condemnation of the law.

The first four of the ten commandments is how we love GOD, the last six is how we love our neighbor.

Heb 10
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

What laws are written on our hearts and put in our minds if not the ten commandments?
 
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However to try and use that as justification for the supposed gap in the 70 week prophecy is a stretch.


Isn't that basically what a gap is, a stretch? So what exactly is the issue here? By comparing Scripture with Scripture, it's fairly obvious that a gap is meant after the 69 weeks. One has to also consider some of Daniel 8 and some of Daniel 11, and how it connects with the last 2 verses in Daniel 9, to see why a gap is the only reasonable conclusion to come to.
 
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About what? What are you trying to prove by it? There are still the first 1185 days of the 7 years in your narrative that the Jews don't believe in Jesus. During most of that time, the Jews will believe the Antichrist is their messiah King of Israel.
Your post in post #127.........

Not true, I have the Two-witnesses showing up 75 days before the 1260. (1335 event is BEFORE the 1260.)
Okay, my mistake. I went back and fixed it.

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Thus the REPLY HERE AS SUCH.........


Before is all that matters, but if I told you the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the 1260 via the 1335 shouldn't that register with you?

register with me what? What are you trying to communicate?
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The person does not start the 7 years as the revealed man of sin. 2thessalonians2:3-4 does say that he is not a worldwide widely known figure before then in another capacity.

The person confirms the covenant to begin the seven years - so he is a world wide known figure at that point. And before then he emerges among ten leaders of the fourth kingdom, as being the leader over them, the little horn. So he is anything but an unknown person at that time.

But he is not revealed to be the man of sin until the middle part of the 7 years, by committing the transgression of desolation act. Which will be the end of his time as the Antichrist, King of Israel, illegitimate.
The person of the Anti-Christ signs AGREEMENTS with MANY COUNTRIES just after the Rapture. That is all, he makes Agreements with many. But nowhere in the bible does it say that he signs a Holy Covenant with MANY, that just you Douggg. You have this idea that Covenant means HOLY COVENANT, and your pride seemingly will not let it be only what it is. LOOK UP COVENANT in Strong's Douggg and see what it says. Here you go:

1) covenant, alliance, pledge
1a) between men
1a1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man)
1a2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects)
1a3) agreement, pledge (man to man).


Do you get that a COVENANT is not about God yet? How many times must I make this same point?

Its ONLY a Holy Covenant when God is a part of the AGREEMENT !!

Daniel 9:27 says he makes a COVENANT (AGREEMENT) with MANY !! Then he RENEGES on his AGREEMENTS in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK !!

He comes up in the European Union, they GIVE HIM their power means he gets voted in as the European Union President, that's all.

He is never the King of Israel, he only invades Jerusalem at the MIDWAY POINT.

What? I gave you the quotes right from the bible. The Ezekiel 39:17-20 feast by the scavangers corresponds to the Armageddon feast. There is no feast at the end of the destruction of Satan's last rebellion.

How can these verses be at the end of the millennium?
And I gave you Rev. 20 that says Gog and Magog is after the 1000 tear reign. There are always FEASTS....That;s been going on since men learned to eat. The Marriage Supper Feast is different., its only a Metaphor.
 
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1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Anyone that can't read Galatians and understand doesn't want to understand. That is why you dodge it by going to other scriptures as the SDA teaches you, but it doesn't work with me because I know the scriptures and d not let you post half of a passage. The scripture you cited proves just the opposite of what you preach, and must, because we are under GRACE.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

So your post only points out that transgressions are against the LAW.....You do not go on to point out that ALL OF US in Christ Jesus are not SUBJECT to this law, because we ABIDE IN HIM !!

Do you even read the word brother, or do you just have certain verses? Because I know all the verses full well. And Grace is the only order of the day. Are you going to just DODGE Galatians chapter 3? Try reading it, and replying to my post with earnest effort. Don;t dodge the facts brother. You wanted to go there, and no SDA can ever win in a Grace vs. the Law debate.
 
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Your post in post #127.........

Not true, I have the Two-witnesses showing up 75 days before the 1260. (1335 event is BEFORE the 1260.)
Okay, my mistake. I went back and fixed it.

Doug
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Thus the REPLY HERE AS SUCH.........


Before is all that matters, but if I told you the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the 1260 via the 1335 shouldn't that register with you?

register with me what? What are you trying to communicate?
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No, your were not responding to my post #127. I am going to take the trouble and go back through this discussion to show how hard it is to communicate with you. Because you are under the illusion that you communicate "great" to use your words. You don't give straight answers. I highlighted the key words - look at the answers you give me.

In my post 121, I stated....

Israel will be thinking she has entered the messianic age, as described in the old testament. They are not basing their beliefs on the new testament. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are the same 7 years following Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39, before the judgement on the heathen who gather their armies to make war on Jesus in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

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In your post 125, you responded to the above by saying.....

Israel will have accepted Jesus as theor Messiah before this BEAST ever come to Jerusalem.

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In my post 128, I responded to the above by saying.....

Before? How far before? I think you have a theory that the person as the beast attacks Jerusalem on day 1260 on the timeline. And the two witnesses beginning their preaching on day 1185. That leaves over 3 years of the first half before then, for Israel to embrace the person as the messiah, and anoint him the King of Israel.

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In your post 143, you responded to the above by saying....

Before is all that matters, but if I told you the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the 1260 via the 1335 shouldn't that register with you?

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In my post 144, I responded to the above by saying.....

register with me what? What are you trying to communicate?

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In your post 145, you responded to the above by saying....

reg·is·ter
ˈrejəstə

1. enter or record on an official list or directory.

1335 - 1260 = 75 Shouldn't that register as an OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF FACT?

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In my post 148, I responded to the above by saying.....

About what? What are you trying to prove by it? There are still the first 1185 days of the 7 years in your narrative that the Jews don't believe in Jesus. During most of that time, the Jews will believe the Antichrist is their messiah King of Israel.

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I am still waiting for you explain what the "OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF FACT" is.

It seems to me that you are unwilling to acknowledge that in your narrative there are 1185 days from day 1 to day 1185 that the Jews do not believe in Jesus. Which I am saying that during that time they will believe the Antichrist is their messiah, King of Israel.

The 75 days in your narrative between day 1185 and 1260 - doesn't change what takes place before day 1185.
 
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The person of the Anti-Christ signs AGREEMENTS with MANY COUNTRIES just after the Rapture. That is all, he makes Agreements with many. But nowhere in the bible does it say that he signs a Holy Covenant with MANY, that just you Douggg. You have this idea that Covenant means HOLY COVENANT, and your pride seemingly will not let it be only what it is. LOOK UP COVENANT in Strong's Douggg and see what it says. Here you go:

It doesn't say "sign" in the text of Daniel 9:27, but confirm. It doesn't say many "nations" in the text of Daniel 9:27 either. Those are your narrative and interpretation.

As far as the strong's number of what the word for covenant means, here is Jeremiah 31:32. The strong's number in this verse, clearly speaking about the Mt. Sinai covenant, is the same as in Daniel 9:27. 1285.

31:32 Not according to the covenant 1285 that I made 3772 8804 with their fathers 1 in the day 3117 [that] I took 2388 8687 them by the hand 3027 to bring them out 3318 8687 of the land 776 of Egypt 4714; which my covenant 1285 they brake 6565 8689, although I was an husband 1166 8804 unto them, saith 5002 8803 the LORD 3068 : (although…: or, should I have continued an husband unto them?)

9:27 And he shall confirm 1396 8689 the covenant 1285 with many 7227 for one 259 week 7620: and in the midst 2677 of the week 7620 he shall cause the sacrifice 2077 and the oblation 4503 to cease 7673 8686, and for the overspreading 3671 of abominations 8251 he shall make [it] desolate 8074 8789, even until the consummation 3617, and that determined 2782 8737 shall be poured 5413 8799 upon the desolate 8074 8802.(the covenant: or, a covenant)(for the…: or, with the abominable armies)(the desolate: or, the desolator)


Here is the link to the site.

KJV w/ Strong's Concordance - Daniel 9


Do you get that a COVENANT is not about God yet? How many times must I make this same point?

Its ONLY a Holy Covenant when God is a part of the AGREEMENT !!
I don't know why you think the text of Daniel 9:27 has to include the word "Holy" to be referring to the Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Jeremiah 31:32, clearly speaking about the Mt Sinai covenant, it doesn't include the word "Holy"

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Daniel 9:27 says he makes a COVENANT (AGREEMENT) with MANY !! Then he RENEGES on his AGREEMENTS in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK !!

It's not called "his" agreements or covenant in the text. It doesn't say he reneges. It implies that he transgresses the covenant causing the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.


27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


And I gave you Rev. 20 that says Gog and Magog is after the 1000 tear reign. There are always FEASTS....That;s been going on since men learned to eat. The Marriage Supper Feast is different., its only a Metaphor.

???? I have no idea what you are trying to communicate. The feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast on the dead bodies as in Revelation 19:17-20. Which is a thousand years before the reference to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 at the end of the millenium.

Ezekiel 38-39:16, Gog/Magog
Then the 7 years of Daniel 9:27
Then the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20
 
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It doesn't say "sign" in the text of Daniel 9:27, but confirm. It doesn't say many "nations" in the text of Daniel 9:27 either. Those are your narrative and interpretation.
Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

1.) Confirm = gabar 1396 (Hebrew Word) meaning to be strong, to prevail or to act insolently.

2.) Oblation = minchah 4503 (Hebrew) A tribute or an offering

3.) Overspreading = kanaph 3671 (Hebrew) An edge, a Wing or Quarter (of a building) a pinnacle.

4.) Abominations = shiqquwts 8251 (Hebrew) Meaning, Disgusting, Filthy, Idolatrous or AN IDOL !

5.) Desolate = shamem 8074 (Greek) Meaning to Stun, Grown Numb, to Stupefy, or to Devastate !

So looking at these original Hebrew word Translations, what is this verse (Dan. 9:27) really telling us? Does it match up with other end time events ? Lets delve into it !! Basically this is what I get from verse 27.

Dan. 9:27 The Anti-Christ will FORCE and Agreement (Covenant means agreement) on Israel and others, probably the Muslims. He does so Insolently, his agenda Prevails, he forces this deal. Then after 3 1/2 years he stops allowing the Oblation or Tribute, (I think to Jesus, who Israel accepts as their Messiah before the Day of the Lord as it says in Malachi 4:5-6) by Israel unto their God, the False Prophet places an IDOL in a Wing or a pinnacle of the TEMPLE and demands all people to worship this IDOL or else they must die. THIS STUNS/SHOCKS OR DEVASTATES Israel, then they heed Jesus' words, they Flee unto the Wilderness where they are protected by God for 1260 Days, because Elijah turned them back to the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10) before the Day of the Lord.

Dan. 9:27 shorter version........The Anti-Christ will force a Peace/Security deal on Israel, in the middle of this deal he will renege on his deal, and order the False Prophet to place an Image of the Beast (IDOL) in the Temple, and demand all mankind to worship this Image. This Stuns Israel, devastates them.

Do further scriptures agree with this account ?

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This matches , CONFIRM means to BE STRONG, or to PREVAIL, or to ACT INSOLENTLY !! Like I have been stating for years, CONFIRM mean that the Anti-Christ FORCES THE DEAL upon Israel by applying pressures, remember, he has DARK POWERS, he understand DARK SENTENCES and thus know how to out maneuver other men !!
 
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Dan. 9:27 The Anti-Christ will FORCE and Agreement (Covenant means agreement) on Israel and others, probably the Muslims.
A big problem with your narrative is that Gog/Magog - that event eliminates all of Israel's enemies who currently are trying to destroy her.

Thus, following the destruction of Gog's army, there is no reason for a forced peace agreement, nor any kind of peace agreement.
 
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