STILL no evidence FOR creation/ID

[AV1611VET]

Personally I believe that us discovering that oysters are actually super-intelligent pan-dimensional beings and secretly rule the world by mind control is more likely than Jesus returning in some Biblical end days.

Well if you really subscribe to your caption, then I take it you still believe Thalidomide is a pre-natal wonder drug, Pluto is our 9th planet, the Challenger was GO for throttle-up, and the Titanic was unsinkable?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Can you tell us who was the father of Magog, Tubal and Meshesh? Hint: They went north from Babel to what is today Russia. As I posted, Tubal is the eastern capital of Russia and Meshesh/Moscow is the western capital of Russia. I challenge you to identify these boys grandfather. Have you ever read the Bible?

There is no place called Tubal and to think that Meshesh somehow turns in to Moscow shows a complete and utter disregard and idiotic take on the English, Hebrew AND Russian language. Also, the nominal capital of Eastern Russia is Khabarovsk.
Tubal was a Neo-Hittite kingdom of South Central Anatolia, Meshech is a son of Japheth, a son of Noah, along with Magog.
Care to try again?

 

[Ophiolite]

There is no place called Tubal and to think that Meshesh somehow turns in to Moscow shows a complete and utter disregard and idiotic take on the English, Hebrew AND Russian language. Also, the nominal capital of Eastern Russia is Khabarovsk.
Tubal was a Neo-Hittite kingdom of South Central Anatolia, Meshech is a son of Japheth, a son of Noah, along with Magog.
Care to try again?

Please, don't encourage him!

 

[PsychoSarah]

"Yet, I know that the end of the world as the bible describes it cannot be any time soon by virtue of the multiple verses mentioning that no one knows when it is coming aside from YHWH, not even the angels."

So if no one knows when it is coming how can you say "it cannot be anytime soon"? It is as illogical to say its coming as to say it is not. Since no one knows when it is coming...

The reason why is because there are people that claim to know when the end comes. Thus, if the end comes when they claim it would, that'd mean they did know it was coming, and thus it would break the biblical prophecy.

Plus, the bible describes no one EXPECTING it when the world ends, not simply knowing it. How many people do you know that think "the end is near"?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Remember that i show that all Humans live and die on the present 6th Day/Age. None of us are promised tomorrow on this planet, which means that we literally live on the last Day, the Day of Salvation, Judgment, and resurrection. No man knows the 24 hour period of time when the end will come, but we know that it will be today, at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Amen?

If I recall correctly, you think that each day in the bible is something like 3 billion years. Since humans have existed for about 100,000 years, you have no reason to assume humans were created near the end of the 6th day at all.

In fact, from your own perspective, it could many millions of years away. Which falls in line with current research suggesting that the solar system is going to have significant shifts about 1 billion years from now in which many of the planets will collide with each other.

 

[PsychoSarah]

He's great enough to give you a free choice to live forever in paradise or lost in the total darkness of a burned out universe, forever. Even while some reject His love, He gives us respect for our own stupid decisions. God Bless you

Make yourself believe sandwiches originated in Canada. Demonstrate to me and everyone else that belief is fully a choice and you require no evidence whatsoever to really believe something.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I note that you have not been able to respond to my request for evidence of angels to support your claim that science is myopic because it can't detect them. I'll take that as a tacit admission that you can't.

Well if you really subscribe to your caption, then I take it you still believe Thalidomide is a pre-natal wonder drug, Pluto is our 9th planet, the Challenger was GO for throttle-up, and the Titanic was unsinkable?

None of your examples argue against science.

Thalidomide wasn't tested properly. I.e. that the scientific method wasn't properly applied to it was the problem. They didn't do tests to see what happened if taken during pregnancy. The solution to problems like this is to do more science, and/or science more properly. It's not like reading the Bible will reveal new and more effective drugs and other medical treatments.

Whether Pluto is classified as a planet or a dwarf planet or something else again does not argue against science at all. BTW: If it wasn't for science, we wouldn't even know that Pluto exists, let alone have the detailed knowledge of it that we do. It's not like your Bible told us it was there, is it?

The Challenger disaster was down to o-rings that were not designed for the cold conditions that existed during the launch. The inquiry found that organisational culture and decision making process was at fault. Not science. We're hardly going to be able to get into space by just praying that some astronauts are going to get up there by a miracle.

The Titanic was claimed to be near unsinkable by its designers. However, this 'near unsinkability' claim depended on any collision being of the expected type. The Titanic side-swiped the iceberg instead of hitting it head on. Since that time engineering processes and safety standards have improved, and nowadays we are able to perform computer simulations of boats having accidents and how they sink, as well as superior materials science etc. The Titanic disaster was (like several others you mention here) due to the fallibility of humans and insufficient testing. Not because of science. Scientific research since that time has resulted in boats that are even safer.

In all your cases, you in no way find any valid criticism of science. In fact, all of your examples suggest that we need more science so that we can do things better.

 

[AV1611VET]

In all your cases, you in no way find any valid criticism of science. In fact, all of your examples suggest that we need more science so that we can do things better.

I doubt you'll ever have enough science to do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

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[AnotherAtheist]

I doubt you'll ever have enough science to do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

[video]

Non-sequitur, much?

Nobody needs any science to repeat myths and legends.

 

[Aman777]

There is no place called Tubal and to think that Meshesh somehow turns in to Moscow shows a complete and utter disregard and idiotic take on the English, Hebrew AND Russian language. Also, the nominal capital of Eastern Russia is Khabarovsk.
Tubal was a Neo-Hittite kingdom of South Central Anatolia, Meshech is a son of Japheth, a son of Noah, along with Magog.
Care to try again?

More study is indicated.
The Origins of Modern Russia | theTrumpet.com
https://www.thetrumpet.com/8311-the-origins-of-modern-russia
The name Tubal is also featured in Russia, on the eastern side of the Urals, through the name of the Tobol River and the city named after it, Tobolsk.

 

[Aman777]

Please, don't encourage him!

Why are you so afraid of the Truth? Are you related to Trump?

 

[Aman777]

If I recall correctly, you think that each day in the bible is something like 3 billion years.

More like 4.5 Billion years in man's time based on the Scriptural fact that our Cosmos began on the 3rd Day and today remains the 6th. Divide 3 of God's Days into 13.8 Billion years to get the figure.

Since humans have existed for about 100,000 years, you have no reason to assume humans were created near the end of the 6th day at all.

Humans are STILL being created by the Trinity today. Gen 1:27 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16 show that it takes the Trinity to make a sinner alive Spiritually, Eternally. This will continue until Jesus returns and THEN the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 can happen. We live today at Gen 1:27 at the end of the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation.

n fact, from your own perspective, it could many millions of years away. Which falls in line with current research suggesting that the solar system is going to have significant shifts about 1 billion years from now in which many of the planets will collide with each other.

I doubt the solar system will be still be burning in a billion years but if it is, it will be burning inside the our enclosed Cosmos, which is already in the ground, making burial unnecessary.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:

 

[Aman777]

Demonstrate to me and everyone else that belief is fully a choice and you require no evidence whatsoever to really believe something.

Faith is the "evidence" of things not seen. Heb 11:1 The hundreds of billions of Galaxies didn't just poof into being. Man's view is like Trump's. It changes. God's Truth changes not and His word is much more reliable than any man's view. It's your free choice.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Faith is the "evidence" of things not seen. Heb 11:1 The hundreds of billions of Galaxies didn't just poof into being. Man's view is like Trump's. It changes. God's Truth changes not and His word is much more reliable than any man's view. It's your free choice.

You are not demonstrating that it is a choice. The fact that you could not say "Sarah, I now believe all sandwiches come from Canada" is a good demonstration that you couldn't actually force yourself to believe it. I bet you couldn't even with the threat of hell.

I've been trying to believe for 9 years, don't you think that if belief was purely by choice that I'd be a believer by now?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

More study is indicated.
The Origins of Modern Russia | theTrumpet.com
https://www.thetrumpet.com/8311-the-origins-of-modern-russia
The name Tubal is also featured in Russia, on the eastern side of the Urals, through the name of the Tobol River and the city named after it, Tobolsk.

Tabal
Tabal (c.f. biblical Tubal) was a Luwian speaking Neo-Hittite kingdom of South Central Anatolia. According to archaeologist Kurt Bittel, the kingdom of Tabal first appeared after the collapse of the Hittite Empire.

Why is it easier for you to believe that the Bible is talking about a city in a country that would not exist until the 18th Century (using the name for a city that isn't even a capital!), and isn't talking about a contemporary nation?

 

[Kaon]

The last thread I started commenting on this phenomenon got bogged down by trolls and eventually closed.

Most interestingly, no creationists presented anything even close to evidence. It was all the usual antics...



And it is always... ALWAYS... 'arguments' against evolution.

NEVER arguments FOR creation/ID.

Analogies to human activity, bible verses, 'problems' with evolution - none of these, not one of them, is evidence FOR creation or ID.


It is almost as if creationists have admitted to themselves, subconsciously, that they cannot actually offer any positive supporting evidence FOR their mere beliefs, and are content to simply attack 'the other.' This is true, whether the creationist is a one-line snark master, or a verbose citation and quote bombing autodidact.

I am not a creationist, but you sound upset. Maybe don't put your intellectual and spiritual faith in other humans that are no better than you?

An autodidact is nothing to smear; I think you meant something else, because there aren't nearly as many autodidact as people believe (it is more than googling things and being able to remember them.) But, in case you meant a real autodidact, there is no reason any human should put their faith in another human when they can develop their own intellectual forge.

I think humans are abdicating intellectual hegemony as created being in exchange for sustantiating malice against the idea of a diety. Understandable since humans believe they are the masters of their universe for now, but NOT OK when the truth comes, and the rulers come to collect.


Humans always misplace their faith (no matter how intellectual,) proportional to their dissolution and hauteur. Most people wouldn't recognize intelligent design If they was encoded in our DNA - because people put their faith in other humans before they trust their own self. Intelligent design vs. Creationism is a farce and attack on layperson intellect - even so called "post doc" laypersons. Intelligence means nothing when you are foolosh.

There is no such thing as proof; there is only evidence if something that substantiated one's personal requirements for vindication. These type of ridiculous arguments are to keep the layperson busy while real problems shape the world around us.

 

[Speedwell]

I think humans are abdicating intellectual hegemony as created being in exchange for sustantiating malice against the idea of a diety. Understandable since humans believe they are the masters of their universe for now, but NOT OK when the truth comes, and the rulers come to collect.

Nah, in this case I think they are merely rejecting a right-wing fundamentalist Protestant deity.

 

[Ophiolite]

Why are you so afraid of the Truth?

No. I alternate between two conditions. On the one hand there is a bit of me that is concerned that your insanity may be contagious and on the other hand I've grown quite tired of your silly notions. Both conditions would be alleviated if your posting was reduced.

Are you related to Trump?

Now you are just being offensive. I was one of the signatories to a successful petition that his Honorary doctorate from Robert Gordon University be revoked.

 

[Kaon]

Nah, in this case I think they are merely rejecting a right-wing fundamentalist Protestant deity.

I mean in general.

Humans show malice for other deities by rejection, hauteur and a forsaking of fundamentals. It doesn't matter what god. When the same walking entities that no one believes in now come back to collect, that is when people will say, "we didn't know..." When, in reality, literally hundreds of people were killed or tossed aside for giving warning.

Men delude themselves into believing they come from nothing, not realizing it is a campaign to make sure you always bend the knee. The spiritual world most people don't believe exists are training humans to forget their identity as images of the Most High God, and to debase themselves into playthings.

This is serious business; (un)fortunately very few people have seen this reality.

 

[Speedwell]

I mean in general.

Humans show malice for other deities by rejection, hauteur and a forsaking of fundamentals. It doesn't matter what god. When the same walking entities that no one believes in now come back to collect, that is when people will say, "we didn't know..." When, in reality, literally hundreds of people were killed or tossed aside for giving warning.

Men delude themselves into believing they come from nothing, not realizing it is a campaign to make sure you always bend the knee. The spiritual world most people don't believe exists are training humans to forget their identity as images of the Most High God, and to debase themselves into playthings.

This is serious business; (un)fortunately very few people have seen this reality.

Fortunately, this forum is not about the existence or non-existence of God.