The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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The word RESTITUTION does not appear in the NT.

restitution...(NOUN:
1. the restoration of something lost or stolen to its proper owner.
2 .recompense for injury or loss.
3. the restoration of something to its original state.

God sent His Son for RECONCILIATION of those who accept His gracious provisions for salvation.

RECONCILIATION

2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

2 Cor. 5:21 ...imputed righteousness
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

God does not want us to return us to Eden / A&E.
He wants us to accept His Son and Jesus' works.
 
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God does not spiritually change ALL from unbeliever to believer.

Ron, I prefer to follow what the Sacred Scriptures say:

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Matthew 22:14
For many (ALL!) are called, but few are chosen.” (to be saved)

Here, Ron, you've added the words "all" & "to be saved" to the Scripture.

Few chosen. For what? A final destiny of salvation? No, Paul says "many" shall be saved, not "few". And by "the many" he means all fallen human beings:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
 
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The word RESTITUTION does not appear in the NT.

restitution...(NOUN:
1. the restoration of something lost or stolen to its proper owner.
2 .recompense for injury or loss.
3. the restoration of something to its original state.


King James Bible
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whom heaven indeed must receive, until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of his holy prophets, from the beginning of the world.


Young's Literal Translation
whom it behoveth heaven, indeed, to receive till times of a restitution of all things, of which God spake through the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age.

http://biblehub.com/acts/3-21.htm
 
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Thank you, yes, FL showed me the page... I will have to get out to the post office to snail mail a request in!
You don't have to snail mail if you don't want to. The site lists every tthing printed in the past. It also prints every new issue of his most recent teaching. Unfortunately, if you start to get his snail mail on the last subject he started on, you're going to be WAY behind. He started on the book of the Revelation 200 issues back, and we're just in chapter 18. You'd be better off getting the Revelation teaching on the www.kingdombiblestudies.org
We just got issue 200 in the last week by snail mail, but it too will be online before long.

The Savior of the World series which helped me so much with UR back in the 80's is here on the website.
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW1.htm

I like Nehemia's passion for God, but his utter and complete blindness to Christ is bizarre... he can even show saving faith to others about Christ, he KNOWS it's in the Bible, but he just doesn't believe, it's weird... but that only goes to show us that God is in control... or is He? i get confused:
I agree, he appeared to even run around a bit with some Messianic Christian guy, but I can't remember his name. I believe that Nehemia's unbelief is the work of the same religious spirit that indoctrinates and blinds every denomination or sect of Christianity to 'the truth'.

i was discussing 'come sunday' with God... i say 'God? if you burn people in hell forever, that makes you a monster, right? but this evil world.. what of that? letting all this suffering happen when You are sovereign, what does that make You? You 'chastise' us and tell us to be thankful for it, because You hurt the ones You love... You tell us to overcome evil with good, but You overcome evil with causing suffering... what does that make You? I don't understand... if I didn't already know that You are infinitely tender, I would be worried'

do you understand stuff like that?
I was just talking to a brother about that very subject this morning at coffee. He isn't a UR believer like me, but he still recognizes so much truth that he does agree with, that we simply are good brothers. I told him, that IMO, people just have a myopic view of the plan of God which is covering the ages past as well as at least a few more ages to come. Man simply cannot think in such terms and limits his understanding to this;

James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

I liken our understanding of the plan of God, as being like us watching a parade through a knothole in the fence. All we see is a little bit of the parade in our lifetime. Oh we've heard stories about the beginning and the end, but we really don't wrap our perception around that concept. But God, who sits far above our knothole fence view, "sees the end from the beginning." His plans and His ways are far above ours. But once one is able to rest in the goodness of His plan this temporal vapour of a life really isn't as important as we and especially the nominal church view ever make it out to be.


but as i sit here, i know that God IS overcoming all of this evil with GOOD... like a Parent... it's just taking a tad too long for my liking :)

I answered the last paragraph before reading this. Now you know what I'm talking about.

i don't like having doubts about God... but as i get stronger in Him, i feel it's ok to ask the big questions.
Of course it's all right. He wants us to ask him. He certainly doesn't want us to exist on the shoulders of those who've gone before. That tower fell in Genesis and the church is simply rebuilding it with knowledge this time. Carnal minded knowledge unfortunately. IMO anyway.

i asked Him about suffering, right when i first got saved, and He answered, crying, saying 'things aren't supposed to be this way!!! people are supposed to be one with God!!'

can you imagine? hearing a sovereign God say 'things aren't supposed to be this way!!!'

one hardly knows what to think!

Depends upon your definition of 'sovereign'. The nominal church thinks it means 'controls all', but it really means 'allows all' with the foreknowledge that nothing will keep His 'ultimate will' from being 'ultimately accomplished'.
 
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yes well... empty shell, i can believe that... can you IMAGINE, Jesus speaking to you, after your death? You see Him in all His beauty, glory, tenderness, and POWER... can you then imagine NOT LISTENING TO HIM?????
gah!!
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How will those respond who were cast into the lake of fire or hell prepared for the devil and his angels after they are punished for a shorter or longer time? Will they suddenly be filled with warm fuzzies and love for God who punished them? If so what changed them because the recidivism rate for US prisons is 66+%, out of a 1000 prisoners released 660+ will return. And many of them will not take responsibility for their actions, they blame everybody but themselves, judges, juries, lawyers, police, witnesses etc.. Does something magically change them after they die?
 
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yeah, right, i hope YOU don't listen... you... git.
That was your one insult that I allow. I have been a Christian since Johnson was president. I am an ordained minister, I have been preaching and teaching for more than 4 decades. My concern is for those who don't listen to that still small voice in this life and believe Satan's lie that says, "You don't have to worry, you will be saved after you die no matter what you have done or how you have lived."
 
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How will those respond who were cast into the lake of fire or hell prepared for the devil and his angels after they are punished for a shorter or longer time? Will they suddenly be filled with warm fuzzies and love for God who punished them? If so what changed them because the recidivism rate for US prisons is 66+%, out of a 1000 prisoners released 660+ will return. And many of them will not take responsibility for their actions, they blame everybody but themselves, judges, juries, lawyers, police, witnesses etc.. Does something magically change them after they die?

Does the love of Love Omnipotent expire like a carton of milk?

It seems they will "come to Him" & "be ashamed" of themselves:

Isa.45:24 The people will declare, "The LORD is the source of all my righteousness and strength." And all who were angry with him will come to him and be ashamed.

And he that "comes to Him" shall find rest & He shall not cast out (Mt.11:28; Jn.6:37).

Isa.45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
 
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My concern is for those who don't listen to that still small voice in this life and believe Satan's lie that says, "You don't have to worry, you will be saved after you die no matter what you have done or how you have lived."

Do you suppose anything Satan does will be able to keep someone from being saved if they are seeking Love Omnipotent with all their heart? Do your efforts make any difference in the number of people He will save? Will the good God send to an endless hell of torments those who would have believed if they heard the gospel, but they never heard?
 
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The word RESTITUTION does not appear in the NT.

restitution...(NOUN:
1. the restoration of something lost or stolen to its proper owner.
2 .recompense for injury or loss.
3. the restoration of something to its original state.

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the...

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal


The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.

Romans 11:36=

ta pavnte/ ta panta, "in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming."

It is not in the limited sense of "nearly all", "pavnte" minus "ta

The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.

The prefix "re" means back again, again, anew--and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.
 
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Acts 3:21 (KJV)
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/acts/3-21-compare.html

Acts 3:21 (YLT) whom it behoveth heaven, indeed, to receive till times of a restitution of all things, of which God spake through the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age.
 
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When one is exposed to the glory of the Lord one will need to cover his hands and feet with his wings. In the glorious chapter of Isaiah angelic beings are calling to one another back and forth holy>>>>>holy>>>>>holy. It is antiphonal worship surrounding the Presence. Seeing Him will forever change what you are; one single glance will bring you to the end of yourself. This One who has called us to Himself has destined a little flock to stand in the Blaze, to walk in the glory with Him. Not all of creation is destined for such a wonderfully terrible place, but to the manifold dwelling places of His House all creation is coming Home.

My dear lady: I am pleased you have stayed with us in this little corner of C.F.; together we will sing to one another!
i'm scared of seeing Him face to face as well... coz i figure it's that i don't .... have ... i don't know... lol... CHRIST is in me, the hope of glory :)
that rapture scripture about knowing Him because we shall BE like Him... I figure that I can trust Jesus on my end...
i'm always at His mercy :)

yes, i'm glad i stayed, tho i have tried to leave a couple of times lol
thank you, FL
 
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The word RESTITUTION does not appear in the NT.

restitution...(NOUN:
1. the restoration of something lost or stolen to its proper owner.
2 .recompense for injury or loss.
3. the restoration of something to its original state.

God sent His Son for RECONCILIATION of those who accept His gracious provisions for salvation.

RECONCILIATION

2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

2 Cor. 5:21 ...imputed righteousness
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

God does not want us to return us to Eden / A&E.
He wants us to accept His Son and Jesus' works.
Matthew 19:28 New International Version (NIV)

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Yep, all 12, present and accounted for.
i think in that verse, in KJV it uses 'the regeneration' but i don't want to look...

oh and about 'many are called but few are chosen'.... i always assumed it was about the chosen people, Israel....

the whole world is called to be Christian, but we cannot make ourselves 'chosen' people of God, coz that's a blood line.
 
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You don't have to snail mail if you don't want to. The site lists every tthing printed in the past. It also prints every new issue of his most recent teaching. Unfortunately, if you start to get his snail mail on the last subject he started on, you're going to be WAY behind. He started on the book of the Revelation 200 issues back, and we're just in chapter 18. You'd be better off getting the Revelation teaching on the www.kingdombiblestudies.org
We just got issue 200 in the last week by snail mail, but it too will be online before long.

The Savior of the World series which helped me so much with UR back in the 80's is here on the website.
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW1.htm


I agree, he appeared to even run around a bit with some Messianic Christian guy, but I can't remember his name. I believe that Nehemia's unbelief is the work of the same religious spirit that indoctrinates and blinds every denomination or sect of Christianity to 'the truth'.


I was just talking to a brother about that very subject this morning at coffee. He isn't a UR believer like me, but he still recognizes so much truth that he does agree with, that we simply are good brothers. I told him, that IMO, people just have a myopic view of the plan of God which is covering the ages past as well as at least a few more ages to come. Man simply cannot think in such terms and limits his understanding to this;

James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

I liken our understanding of the plan of God, as being like us watching a parade through a knothole in the fence. All we see is a little bit of the parade in our lifetime. Oh we've heard stories about the beginning and the end, but we really don't wrap our perception around that concept. But God, who sits far above our knothole fence view, "sees the end from the beginning." His plans and His ways are far above ours. But once one is able to rest in the goodness of His plan this temporal vapour of a life really isn't as important as we and especially the nominal church view ever make it out to be.




I answered the last paragraph before reading this. Now you know what I'm talking about.


Of course it's all right. He wants us to ask him. He certainly doesn't want us to exist on the shoulders of those who've gone before. That tower fell in Genesis and the church is simply rebuilding it with knowledge this time. Carnal minded knowledge unfortunately. IMO anyway.



Depends upon your definition of 'sovereign'. The nominal church thinks it means 'controls all', but it really means 'allows all' with the foreknowledge that nothing will keep His 'ultimate will' from being 'ultimately accomplished'.
thank you so much, wow, an answer! lol i will go to the website and feast on what eby has there then... thanks for the info!
you mean that Rood guy from Rood Awakenings? He is a Messianic dude i think... he seems to accept that he cannot help Nehemia see the truth of Christ... must be hard for him.

hmmm, this is confusing lol ... do you think the church is rebuilding the tower? i have never heard that from anyone, did you get a revelation? i've often wondered even worse things about the church, like 'come out of her My people' type bad things... but i try to put it out of my mind, coz i don't want to feel any pride... esp since we ALL only know 'in part'

I guess I just think that we all have different parts of Christ, and some get to know the goods, and most don't... i'm assuming that it has something to do with our 'sensitivity'... as i can't 'keep' the doctrine of eternal torture, not without going completely insane...

there are some UR peeps who admit to hating a god who can burn people for eternity... and they just try to leave the church, so God shows them as well.

but like Jesus said 'i came for the sick, not the well'... all the hard hearted people who accept eternal torture, they are the ones who are well

thank you, yes, allows all... that's a much better explanation of 'sovereign'... then i don't have to think that God did this to me, but rather is crying 'things aren't supposed to be this way'...

i'm so sorry that i made Him cry.

thank you, for answering me :)
 
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Thirty six [36] OT verses which define the word “olam.” as eternal.

[snip]

Psa 37:28
(28) For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: [ עולם/olam] but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

In this vs. “preserved olam” is contrasted with “the wicked shall be cut off,””age(s),”a finite period, is not opposite of “the wicked shall be cut off,” “for ever” is.

Your argument is quite unintelligible. Perhaps you could restate it with proper grammar, logic & sentences so it makes sense.

If you are trying to say that the "opposite" of "cut off" is "forever", that is incorrect. The opposite of "cut off" is not "for ever", but rather "desegregate, integrate, reintegrate": https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/cutoff

The verse does not say the wicked shall be cut off, but their seed shall be. That refers to what happens in this world. So the reference to the saints may be interpreted that they are preserved for life(olam) & their seed will not be cut off. Similarly we see in Exo.21:6 that olam means "for life": "then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life" (NIV, etc). Furthermore, you yourself have stated that Psalm 37 does not refer to eternal destinies, so how can you say olam means "for ever" in Psa.37:28? You said Psalm 37

"is not about man's eternal fate. The people of Israel cannot see into eternity they will look for their enemies here in this world but their enemies will be gone" and " This psalm is not about man's eternal fate but what happens to Israels enemies, in this world" and "Psa 37 is not about the eternal fate of mankind but what happens to those who attack Israel."

NET Bible
28For the LORD promotes justice, and never abandons his faithful followers. They are permanently secure, but the children of evil men are wiped out. (Psa.37:28)

28 For Yahweh is loving right judgment, And He shall not forsake His benign ones. The iniquitous will be exterminated for the eon, And the seed of the wicked, it will be cut off. (CLV)

28 For Jehovah is loving judgment, And He doth not forsake His saintly ones, To the age they have been kept, And the seed of the wicked is cut off. (YLT)

28 For, Yahweh, loveth justice, and will not forsake his men of lovingkindness, Unto times age-abiding, have the perverse been destroyed,—and the seed of the lawless, been cut off. (RO) https://studybible.info/version/

28....into the eon...[eon = the Greek word AION, age]
(Greek-English Interlinear of LXX, translated by Hebrew scholars)
https://studybible.info/ABP_Strongs/Psalms 37

Psalm 72
11Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
12For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
13He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
14He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
Psalm 86
9All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
10For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.
13For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Psalm 33
8Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psalm 90
2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Psalm 66
Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands:
2Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious.
3Say unto God, How terrible art thou in thy works! through the greatness of thy power shall thine enemies submit themselves unto thee.
4All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.



[snip]

Jer 23:40
(40) I will bring on you everlasting disgrace [ עולם]—everlasting shame [ עולם] that will not be forgotten."

In this vs. “olam disgrace and shame” is paired with “will not be forgotten.” “age(s) a finite period, does not equate to “will not be forgotten,””everlasting” does.

The verse doesn't say their shame will "never" be forgotten, or will not be forgotten forever. Neither does the verse say how long it will be "not forgotten". If the olam disgrace refers to a finite period, then the "not be forgotten" can be interpreted as restricted within that finite period. So your "proof text" for a definition of olam as "eternal" fails in Jer.23:40.

Furthermore, olam is equivalent to the Greek aionion. Isaiah 54:4 LXX refers to aionion shame that is finite:

4 You should not fear that you were disgraced, nor should you feel ashamed that you were berated. For shame everlasting(aionios) you shall forget; and the scorn of your widowhood in no way shall you remember any longer (Apostolic Bible Polygot, LXX)

The same phrase, and Greek words, for "shame everlasting"(aionios) in Isa.54:4 occur again at Dan.12:2 LXX, which i have higlighted within the brackets:

Dan.12:2 καὶ πολλοὶ τῶν καθευδόντων ἐν γῆς χώματι ἐξεγερθήσονται οὗτοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον καὶ οὗτοι εἰς ὀνειδισμὸν καὶ εἰς [αἰσχύνην αἰώνιον]

Isa.54:4 μὴ φοβοῦ ὅτι κατῃσχύνθης μηδὲ ἐντραπῇς ὅτι ὠνειδίσθης ὅτι [αἰσχύνην αἰώνιον] ἐπιλήσῃ καὶ ὄνειδος τῆς χηρείας σου οὐ μὴ μνησθήσῃ

Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - ??????? - shame/disgrace/dishonor (n.)

Strong's Greek: 152. ??????? (aischuné) -- shame

In Isa.54:4 aionios/eonian is finite: "For shame everlasting[eonian] you shall forget"

In that light we might consider that the exact same phrase from the LXX scholars, "shame everlasting [eonian]" in Dan.12:2, may also be finite.

Also, there is no "will not be forgotten" in any of these more literal translations of Jer.23:40:

39 Therefore, lo, I--I have taken you utterly away, And I have sent you out, And the city that I gave to you, And to your fathers, from before My face, 40 And I have put on you reproach eonian, And shame eonian that is not forgotten!" (CLV)
39 Therefore, lo, I—I have taken you utterly away, And I have sent you out, And the city that I gave to you, And to your fathers, from before My face, 40 And I have put on you reproach age-during, And shame age-during that is not forgotten! (YLT)

Even John Gill suggests olam in Jer.23:40 may be finite:

"contempt, and that for ever, or at least a long time, even for a series of ages; which has been their case ever since their destruction by the Romans, and still is; for this cannot be restrained to the short captivity of seventy years in Babylon; though this reproach began then, and they never recovered their former honour and glory;" [Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible]

Furthermore:

"No one can doubt that this passage speaks of the Jews, and predicts a punishment which God was to inflict upon them as a nation....not to be cast into hell or endless misery, but to be cast out of Judea, and from God's worship and service, and dispersed among the heathen or gentile nations."

"....and to this day the ruins of Jerusalem, and the dispersed Jews afford evidence of its truth...as their fathers were, when God cast them out from His presence in their seventy years' captivity in Babylon" and the destruction of the temple & Jerusalem in 70 AD. [p.163-164 @ The Universalist Preacher, Volumes 1-2]

https://books.google.ca/books?id=5d... shame, which shall not be forgotten&f=falsep.


156ff at An Inquiry Into the Scriptural Import of the Words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus ...
By Walter Balfour
https://books.google.ca/books?id=vs...l shame, which shall not be forgotten&f=false

Jeremiah 24:9
I will make them a horror to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a reproach, a byword, a taunt, and a curse in all the places where I shall drive them.

https://www.openbible.info/labs/cross-references/search?q=Jeremiah+23:40
http://stjohnstmarymagdalene.org/rf/bible/refverse/JER:23:40/2
http://bibleapps.com/r/reproach.htm

And yet Israel shall be saved:

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

Rom.11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Isa.45:21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall mencome; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
 
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Dear Ron: Do you really think the mass of mankind "made" sinners is less than the mass (polus) of mankind "made righteous"? The Restitution of ALL things even includes you, but being saved is part of being re- stored to the One from whose glory we fell. The Will of all little wills prevails! He not only "desires" all mankind to be saved and come into the expanse of His glory, He wills it!

"God IS the Saviour of all mankind, and especially of those who believe/trust in Him...">>>>>>

"Command this" & "teach this"
 
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Der Alter said:
My concern is for those who don't listen to that still small voice in this life and believe Satan's lie that says, "You don't have to worry, you will be saved after you die no matter what you have done or how you have lived."


Do you suppose anything Satan does will be able to keep someone from being saved if they are seeking Love Omnipotent with all their heart? Do your efforts make any difference in the number of people He will save? Will the good God send to an endless hell of torments those who would have believed if they heard the gospel, but they never heard?

i think that what I mentioned before ... when I asked God about the suffering in this world, He answered in absolute weeping (i was watching a tiny baby die of aids on tv)... God was utterly heart broken... and He answered 'Things aren't supposed to be this way!!! People are supposed to be one with God!!'

Now with all the intense suffering on this planet, i think the way preaching is done, should have to do with saving from the horror of this life, not just the horror of the next... 'hell is empty. the devils are here'... i forget who said that.
 
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“O Lord, refresh our sensibilities. Give us this day our daily taste. Restore to us soups that spoons will not sink in, and sauces which are never the same twice. Raise up among us stews with more gravy than we have bread to blot it with, and casseroles that put starch and substance in our limp modernity. Take away our fear of fat and make us glad of the oil which ran upon Aaron's beard. Give us pasta with a hundred fillings, and rice in a thousand variations. Above all, give us grace to live as true men - to fast till we come to a refreshed sense of what we have and then to dine gratefully on all that comes to hand. Drive far from us, O Most Bountiful, all creatures of air and darkness; cast out the demons that possess us; deliver us from the fear of calories and the bondage of nutrition; and set us free once more in our own land, where we shall serve Thee as Thou hast blessed us - with the dew of heaven, the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine. Amen.” - Robert Farrar Capon-
 
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"The Restitution of ALL things" = horsefeathers! and unScriptural.

The Final eternal spiritual state and realm for BELIEVERS ONLY...The New Heavens and the New Earth and the New Jerusalem. Rev. 21

Rev. 21
8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
 
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"The Restitution of ALL things" = horsefeathers! and unScriptural.

The Final eternal spiritual state and realm for BELEVERS ONLY...The New Heavens and the New Earth and the New Jerusalem. Rev. 21

Rev. 21
8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
yep, the fearful, the liars, any sort of immoral, people who make idols of stuff in their hearts... all goin' there... not JUST unbelievers...are you confident that most of Christians will end up there but you won't? must be nice to be you... that was sarcasm, of course it wouldn't be nice to be you, because you don't know how BIG and WONDERFUL God is...
 
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