THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[NBB]

Where did the Most High God Himself ever say that His laws on (un)cleanliness were changed, and that we have the freedom to break those laws previously set up because of any reason?

Well, Peter had that 'vision', which showed him unclean animals and a voice said: 'kill and eat'

 

[1213]

2 Corinthians 3:7 says that the 10 commandments engraved in stone were abolished.

It seems you didn’t read it, because actually it says:
“But if the service of death, written engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look steadfastly on the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which was passing away:”

But, are you saying that murder is not wrong according to the Bible anymore?

 

[Acts2:38]

I meant exactly what I said. The first part was in reference to what the Law of God is - specifically that there is no distinction between the "Law of Moses," and the Law of the Most High God. It was from God, not Moses, that the Law came.

My first post I referred you to, that you seemed to miss (and still might not understand, I don't know), is that I was agreeing that the law of God and the law of Moses is one in the same.

So what is your point in telling me this in you last post? That was the vital information I referred to that you missed. Which is why I asked if you meant to speak with me. I know you meant to SAY what you said, but not WHO you were speaking to, which is why I asked.

I was also commenting on your assertion that the New Testament clearly establishes the "old law" is abolished - which is categorically against what the Redeemer Himself said.

Okay, I thought the multiple verses I put down were clear. So instead of having you look up the verses I put down, I will copy paste the verses of what they state:

Let's bring up Matthew 5:17-18,
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All you are seeing is this = "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy..."

You are not seeing this = "till all be fulfilled"

What does "till all be fulfilled" mean, and to what does it refer?

Colossians 2:13-14 states:
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

So in Matthew 5, Jesus is stating that the old law is to continue until what? "Till all be fulfilled" aka nailing the old law to the cross, taking it "out of the way".

The book of Hebrews further explains this because the writer of Hebrews was speaking with Jews who were thinking of returning to the old law.

Hebrews 8
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 10
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Jeremiah predicted this in Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

What does it mean to create a "new covenant"?

What does it mean to remove the old covenant?

Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

Reference Exodus 24:8 (first covenant - now removed)

Luke 22:20

None of the Law is abolished.

In conclusion from the above scripture,

A covenant was the laws, a pact, made with God to us.

The first was removed according to scripture thereby removing the old laws (first covenant) and establishing the new covenant (Christs death, burial resurrection).

The old is "blotted out" (col 2:14). What does "blotted out" mean?

ἐξαλείφω exaleíphō - to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin):—blot out, wipe away.

So, I guess Jesus DID abolish the old law. And God didn't have to change His mind either since it was predicted in the OT books.

 

[NBB]

It seems you didn’t read it, because actually it says:
“But if the service of death, written engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look steadfastly on the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which was passing away:”

But, are you saying that murder is not wrong according to the Bible anymore?

What is good or wrong is like that since forever, but there is certain laws in the OT that christians don't need to do, i guess this discussion is if the sabbath is one of those.

 

[LoricaLady]

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[Kaon]

Well, Peter had that 'vision', which showed him unclean animals and a voice said: 'kill and eat'

Peter, himself, specifically understood the vision, and assertively told the meaning of that vision:

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Acts 11:15-17
​

The "unclean animals" were gentiles; otherwise Peter wouldn't have said "Nothing unclean has touched my lips" when he was ordered to "kill and eat."

 

[Kaon]

My first post I referred you to, that you seemed to miss (and still might not understand, I don't know), is that I was agreeing that the law of God and the law of Moses is one in the same.

So what is your point in telling me this in you last post? That was the vital information I referred to that you missed. Which is why I asked if you meant to speak with me. I know you meant to SAY what you said, but not WHO you were speaking to, which is why I asked.



Okay, I thought the multiple verses I put down were clear. So instead of having you look up the verses I put down, I will copy paste the verses of what they state:

Let's bring up Matthew 5:17-18,
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All you are seeing is this = "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy..."

You are not seeing this = "till all be fulfilled"

What does "till all be fulfilled" mean, and to what does it refer?

Colossians 2:13-14 states:
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

So in Matthew 5, Jesus is stating that the old law is to continue until what? "Till all be fulfilled" aka nailing the old law to the cross, taking it "out of the way".

The book of Hebrews further explains this because the writer of Hebrews was speaking with Jews who were thinking of returning to the old law.

Hebrews 8
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 10
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Jeremiah predicted this in Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

What does it mean to create a "new covenant"?

What does it mean to remove the old covenant?

Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

Reference Exodus 24:8 (first covenant - now removed)

Luke 22:20



In conclusion from the above scripture,

A covenant was the laws, a pact, made with God to us.

The first was removed according to scripture thereby removing the old laws (first covenant) and establishing the new covenant (Christs death, burial resurrection).

The old is "blotted out" (col 2:14). What does "blotted out" mean?

ἐξαλείφω exaleíphō - to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin):—blot out, wipe away.

So, I guess Jesus DID abolish the old law. And God didn't have to change His mind either since it was predicted in the OT books.

Everything has not be fulfilled in the canon alone, and there is nowhere where the Most High God, or the Word of God advocate the invalidation of [the Word of] God.

You are arguing that because Christ followed the law perfectly (as He, and all of us are supposed to do at base,) that somehow makes God's law He previously set up inert - as if the Word of God, and the Most High God are contradictory. Christ did not come to undo everything the Most High said to do; He came to humiliate Himself unto death for us as a sacrifice so that we can have Life. He followed the entire law, and fulfilled every prophecy as a consequence of His perfection.


As a matter of fact, the Most High God said that we wouldn't even need to have a book to show us what is right and wrong - that He would write His law on our hearts so that no one would have to ask about who He is. Show me one place where [The Word of] God said we could disobey any saying or commandment He previously set up.

 

[NBB]

Peter, himself, specifically understood the vision, and assertively told the meaning of that vision:

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Acts 11:15-17
​

The "unclean animals" were gentiles; otherwise Peter wouldn't have said "Nothing unclean has touched my lips" when he was ordered to "kill and eat."

Kill and eat gentiles?
There are several scriptures that say we can eat any meat.

 

[Acts2:38]

Everything has not be fulfilled in the canon alone, and there is nowhere where the Most High God, or the Word of God advocate the invalidation of [the Word of] God.

You are arguing that because Christ followed the law perfectly (as He, and all of us are supposed to do at base,) that somehow makes God's law He previously set up inert - as if the Word of God, and the Most High God are contradictory. Christ did not come to undo everything the Most High said to do; He came to humiliate Himself unto death for us as a sacrifice so that we can have Life. He followed the entire law, and fulfilled every prophecy as a consequence of His perfection.


As a matter of fact, the Most High God said that we wouldn't even need to have a book to show us what is right and wrong - that He would write His law on our hearts so that no one would have to ask about who He is. Show me one place where [The Word of] God said we could disobey any saying or commandment He previously set up.

I have a strange feeling like you haven't really read my post to respond accurately.

Either that or you didn't understand.

In any case, you have a wonderful week and weekend, take care.

 

[NBB]

Everything has not be fulfilled in the canon alone, and there is nowhere where the Most High God, or the Word of God advocate the invalidation of [the Word of] God.

You are arguing that because Christ followed the law perfectly (as He, and all of us are supposed to do at base,) that somehow makes God's law He previously set up inert - as if the Word of God, and the Most High God are contradictory. Christ did not come to undo everything the Most High said to do; He came to humiliate Himself unto death for us as a sacrifice so that we can have Life. He followed the entire law, and fulfilled every prophecy as a consequence of His perfection.


As a matter of fact, the Most High God said that we wouldn't even need to have a book to show us what is right and wrong - that He would write His law on our hearts so that no one would have to ask about who He is. Show me one place where [The Word of] God said we could disobey any saying or commandment He previously set up.

But you can't say all the laws in the OT are for christians today...

 

[Kaon]

Kill and eat gentiles?
There are several scriptures that say we can eat any meat.

Kill and eat the animals representing the gentiles. Gentiles represented "clean" animals as well as "unclean" animals. The Hebrews represented sheep in the animal parable. Peter told you exactly what his vision meant in the verses I posted.

God said we can eat certain meat; man may say something different. Who are you going to trust?

 

[Kaon]

DP

 

[Kaon]

I have a strange feeling like you haven't really read my post to respond accurately.

Either that or you didn't understand.

In any case, you have a wonderful week and weekend, take care.

God is God; if you agree that the Word of God

1) is Founded,
2) has never been abolished or made invalid,
3) is the Law of God (since it is literally the words of God), and
4) does not change, then we are on the same page, and I am mistaking what you are saying.

However, if you think any iota of the law was abolished, or that we can disobey any laws previously set up by the Most High God, then we *don't* agree on anything, and everything I have said is what I meant - because there is no misunderstanding.

 

[συνείδησις]

He followed the entire law, and fulfilled every prophecy as a consequence of His perfection.

You have it entirely backwards. He was made perfect through his obedience.

he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross. Philippians 2:8

For it was fitting for him for whom are all things and through whom are all things in bringing many sons to glory to perfect the originator of their salvation through sufferings. Hebrews 2:10​

 

[συνείδησις]

God is God; if you agree that the Word of God
1) is Founded,
2) has never been abolished or made invalid,
3) is the Law of God (since it is literally the words of God), and
4) does not change, then we are on the same page, and I am mistaking what you are saying.

You need to be clear about what you mean by the word of GOD. Are you referring to the bible or are you referring to Jesus himself?

 

[Kaon]

But you can't say all the laws in the OT are for christians today...

I can and did.

Man says differently - I get it. However, the Most High God said He doesn't change, His Word said His purpose was not to abolish the law, and that not one iota would be removed until all is fulfilled. Even if you are the most heralded angel, or the greatest prophet, if you contradict the Most High God then (to me) you are a liar.

 

[συνείδησις]

However, if you think any iota of the law was abolished, or that we can disobey any laws previously set up by the Most High God, then we *don't* agree on anything, and everything I have said is what I meant - because there is no misunderstanding.

I would say that you don't have anything in common with those who follow the faith because you reject Paul's authority.

 

[Kaon]

You have it entirely backwards. He was made perfect through his obedience.

he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross. Philippians 2:8

For it was fitting for him for whom are all things and through whom are all things in bringing many sons to glory to perfect the originator of their salvation through sufferings. Hebrews 2:10​

As I said, when you can find a place where the Most High God Himself says that we can break His laws, statutes and/or commandments, then I am all ears.

Otherwise, I will remain ignorant of any other thing that contradicts what both the Most High God, and the Word of God say. I am comfortable being perceived any way for this - good or bad.

 

[NBB]

I can and did.

Man says differently - I get it. However, the Most High God said He doesn't change, His Word said His purpose was not to abolish the law, and that not one iota would be removed until all is fulfilled. Even if you are the most heralded angel, or the greatest prophet, if you contradict the Most High God then (to me) you are a liar.

But you are saying we must obey those 'weird laws' and 613 of them? and even that parts of the new testament are completely wrong...

 

[Kaon]

You need to be clear about what you mean by the word of GOD. Are you referring to the bible or are you referring to Jesus himself?

The Word of God is the Most High God (John 1:1). He is the literal living, breathing Word of the Most High God. He was the One in communication with the prophets - especially when they see God in the Old Testament, or He talks directly to them.


Anything that begins with, "And the LORD God Said/Commanded/etc." is LAW - just like whatever your father tells you is something he expects you to follow and obey, not find a loophole.