LoveGodsWord said:
↑ Not at all, I reject your claim above. We should always test everything by the Word of God.
And they did. They pointed out Miller's message of Jesus coming to earth was against the Scriptures.
Not really tall. There was a lot of scripture linked to this message. Not all of it was not correct or in error. Your view is that because there was no 2nd coming then all the scriptures provided with this prophetic time line are not correct either. An error mixed with truth does not make the truth no longer truth. The prophetic time periods from Daniel and Leviticus were correct. The Millerites application of the prophetic timeline to the 2nd coming was not.
You have yet to explain how Miller could possibly pass that test, since he preached quite clearly a time for Jesus' return.
Posted on this many times already you seem to have ignored it.
Of course it was not. They applied it to the second coming. That was incorrectly applied.
The prophetic time period was correctly applied was in reference to the figures being correct. You have even posted something now that I have written to make it sound as if it is something I am not saying. I have never said once that the Millerites correctly applied the prophetic time period correctly to the 2nd coming.
Whether you think the later message was correct is immaterial to the fact that Miller's message was Jesus coming in 1843, then 1844. That is what the people rightly tested. And Ellen White condemned them for following what the Scriptures said, and for rejecting Miller's false message.
Not at all. It was out of this message that the prophetic time period was fulfilled. You keep making references to an EGW quote that was past present and future and only apply it as a past application. This is your mistake.
A message based on falsehood is false. Miller's message was false. And had Miller concerned himself with testing it by Scripture he would have never given his false message in the first place.
I see so in your view all those who did not understand God's Word right away but were corrected at a latter time were lost? We discussed this already. There are too many examples of God's people all through time that had an incorrect understanding of the scriptures that God revealed to them at a latter date.
You were provided many examples of God's people having a wrong understanding of the scriptures all through time that was corrected at a latter time of God's appointing.
We have Christ's own disciples thinking that Jesus was to come as a conqouring king, and their dissappointment at his death. Abraham's sacrifice where Abraham was lead to believe God wanted him to sacrifice his own son. The two disciples walking with Jesus after his death not even knowing it was Jesus. John the Baptist did not even know that Jesus was the Messaiah.
Now all the above either had a wrong understanding of the scriptures or did not know them and God revealed his truth and corrected their understanding of the scriptures in his own appointed time.
For reasons that God alone can explain best, Bible students in 1843 needed the experience of 1843-1844. Obviously God could have "stepped in" and guaranteed every date, every line of reasoning, when the 1843 chart was prepared. But that kind of divine intervention has been rare throughout history. Permitting men and women to work through their problems, learning special lessons that would not have been experienced otherwise, seems to have been God's general plan according to scripture would you not agree?
What would have happened if William Miller had preached the true significance of 1844? What kind of public response would he have received if he had proclaimed the truth about a change in Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary instead of emphasizing His imminent return? No one would have listened to him; no one would have been stirred to read the Bible.
After the disappointment of October 22, a group of his followers restudied their Bibles to discover the real meaning of 1844, an interest that never would have developed if Miller had not focused their attention on the Bible and its prophecies prior to 1844.
Your view seems to be that if the application was wrong by the Millerites all the prophetic time line is also wrong. So therefore throw it all away. An error mixed with truth does not make the truth no longer truth. The prophetic time periods from Daniel and Leviticus were correct. The Millerites application of the prophetic timeline to the 2nd coming was not correct. God revealed the correct application of this message to the Feast of Trumpets and the Christs ministration in the heavenly Sanctuary in his appointed time.
Lot's of parrallels don't you think?
We agree! God spoke to Abraham. Miller agrees God did not speak to him. God tested Abraham. God did not test those in Miller's day with a false message that Miller would have never preached if he had read the words of Christ against date setting.
Not at all my friend. You missed the point which was that in Abrahams day there was no written Word so God spoke to him directly. In William Millers day there was the written Word. Both are the Word of God. Who are you to say God was not guiding William Miller to guide him in the calculations of the 2300 year prophecy of Daniel 8:14? Both Abraham and Miller did not understand God's WORD or it's purpose at the time they both recieved God's Word. This was not made plain until God's appointed time.
Now of course Ellen White says God did condemn those who followed the words of Jesus and Paul. But of course, He did not condemn those who followed His word over those who put their experience first and ignored His word.
Well that is not true at all and taking the first vision out of context which was given after the great dissappointment of 1844. Your just repeating yourself now. The first vision has past, present and future applications. Your mistake here is applying everything to the past.
LGW wrote; Not at all the cleansing of the Sanctuary is a direct reference to the day of atonement (
Daniel 8:14).
No, in this case it is a direct reference to cleansing from the defilement of the little horn. But in any case Miller preached Jesus' coming. That was his message. And it was a false message. And she judged them on it.
Well that is not true. The cleaning of the Sanctuary outlined in
Leviticus 16 makes this very clear what the cleansing of the Sanctuary is about. It is the removal of all the sins of God's people from the presence of God and atonement for the sins of God's people.
Much scripture has been provided for this that disagrees with you your interpretation here. e.g.
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This was around the time you did not want to discuss the scriptures anymore and wanted to talk about EGW all of a sudden.