OSAS does not survive the "sola scriptura" test. Now what?

[Major1]

In fact my screen name, tag says - I am SDA.. Seventh-day Adventist. So not too surprising that my posts "agree with" things you can find said by other Adventists.



huh??

Post-Trib, Pre-Mill, literal 1000 years to be exact. Not even remotely Amillennialist.



Bible details matter.

Romans 2 for example... matters.

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9 for example... matters


Rom 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.



So we see here that we Bible details with which you have all kinds of problems and it really doers manifest itself in what you are saying.

I would encourage you to read the BIBLE itself and there you would find the truth.
For example, you have tried ignore several Old. Test. Scriptures in your theology without giving any merit to what they say.

Remember... "Bible details matter"

When anyone follows Replacement theology, the door is then opened for all kinds of erroneous teaching and your theology certainly proves that.

ALL of the Revelation is in chronological order when you learn to identify the "Parenthetical" sections.

 

[BobRyan]

Well that is what the Bible says as I keep showing the texts about there being
1. No humans left - all dead bodies scattered all across the earth with no one to bury them as we saw in the texts quoted
2. And Rev 19 says that after killing all the armies opposing Christ --"the rest are killed"
3. And John 14 says that Jesus takes all the saints to heaven when He shows up. We also see that in 1Thess 4.
4. And Matthew 24 says that happens "immediately after the great tribulation.



Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleys with your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you And will set darkness on your land,'' Declares the Lord GOD.



Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.


Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.


Zeph 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD'S wrath; And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the LORD lays the earth waste, devastates it, distorts its surface and scatters its inhabitants.
2 And the people will be like the priest, the servant like his master, the maid like her mistress, the buyer like the seller, the lender like the borrower, the creditor like the debtor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste and completely despoiled,



It is obviously a World Wide Calamity – world wide catastrophe

Isaiah 24
17 Terror and pit and snare Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit, And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare; For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.
20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it, And it will fall, never to rise again.


those texts are in the actual Bible and "Bible details matter"

To you they SOUND like they would support your theology but upon careful reading we can see that..……………

EZEKIEL 32:4-8
This is not against the whole earth but is directed toward Egypt.

By contrast - the actual Bible "detail" is that it states it is 'the whole earth'

Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleys with your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken

It is completely in error to try and ignore every detail in it that does not fit your preferences.


Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.

JEREMIAH 4:23-26
This is not a prophecy against the earth AT LARGE but against
Judah and Jerusalem. See v. 5, 6, 10, 14, 16, 22. v. 20 says "the
whole land" yes,

And it also says

all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

JEREMIAH 25:33
This verse nowhere says every last single soul will be
slain - only there will be slain people all over the earth.

until you note "the details" -- dead bodies all across the earth -- no one left to bury them nor relatives/family to lament them.

Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.

Isaiah was given the same prophecy, Isa.66:15-18. He was told the
slain of the Lord shall be many.

The Earth itself split through, broken, shaken -- the Earth reels to and fro

Isaiah 24
17 Terror and pit and snare Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit, And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare; For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.
20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it, And it will fall, never to rise again.


ZEPHANIAH 1:18
CONTEXT demands something different that what you want to believe.
Zeph. is referring to the coming BAYLONIAN Invasion.
Verse 4 says..……"And I will stretch out my hand upon JUDAH and upon all the inhabitants of JERUSALEM...….".


Zeph 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD'S wrath; And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.


And END of all inhabitants of the Earth.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth" Gen 1:1
"in six days the LORD made the heavens and the Earth and all that is in them" Ex 20:11


You are making the classic error of "Cherry Picking" a verse or chapter here and there ignoring the details that do not fit your preference and holding to YOUR theology despite the details.

without considering the real history and purpose of those Scriptures.

On the contrary.

Isaiah 9
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

Is a LOCAL reference to Isaiah 8
3 So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz; 4 for before the boy knows how to cry out ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.”

But it has a global eschatological reference to Christ far in the future.

Clearly many details in chapter 9 cannnot be shoehorned into that limited scope of chapter 8.

 

[BobRyan]

and have actually replaced Israel with the church

Bible details matter.

Romans 2 for example... matters.

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9 for example... matters


Rom 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.



So we see here that we Bible details with which you have all kinds of problems and it really does manifest itself in what you are saying.

I would encourage you to read the BIBLE itself and there you would find the truth.
For example, you have tried ignore several Old. Test. Scriptures in your theology without giving any merit to what they say.

Remember... "Bible details matter"

When anyone follows Replacement theology, the door is then opened for all kinds of erroneous teaching

On the contrary --- accepting Bible details is the way to avoid doctrinal error. I choose the Bible.

ALL of the Revelation is in chronological order

Not even remotely true.

 

[Major1]

True -- at the 2nd coming the saints are raptured ... taken to heaven just as Jesus stated in John 14 and in Matthew 24 and in 1Thess 4.

What remains on earth is the destroyed cities - the destroyed wicked.

Revelation 20:7...………
" And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

True

"the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years are ended" which is the moment Satan is released.

(Hint not all of Revelation is in chronological order. The second coming event is seen in Rev 6 and in Rev 14 and in Rev 19)

Bible details matter.

Then the Great White Throne Judgment of the lost of all the ages takes place in Rev. 20:11-15...………
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Then the New Earth is created.

...

Then we see John going over the details "again" on with expanded focus on the city that comes down out of heaven... the same city filled with saints that was being surrounded in Rev 20 at the end of the 1000 years.

You see, Bible detail certainly do matter don't they!!

NO SIR. I can not agree with your theology.

The dead Born again believers are Raptured 1st, then the ones who are alive are Raptured and given glorified bodies and taken to heaven.

THEN there will be 7 years of Tribulation- Jacobs Trouble.

You now once again misquote another verse, John 14:3.
This passage has been greatly abused by people over the years who read it out of context and inserted their own feelings as truth. The actual words 2nd Coming or Rapture are not in that verse at all. YOU want them to be so you say it is there.

Rather than the Rapture being in view or even the 2nd Coming, this is an invitation to radical faith. Jesus is saying we can trust in Him totally and completely with all we have now and for our future. Because, He is not just preparing a place for us in eternity, He is preparing us for eternity too! What we go through is not just about sin in an unfair world, it is the building up of faith and being that display a beacon to a dimly lit world that needs His Light.

Remember context, this was Jesus’ “Farewell Discourse” where He gives His most passionate and important instructions to His Disciples and us. He was facing betrayal and He turns to His Disciples to comfort them and says; do not be afraid or troubled! Trust in God; trust in Me. He then gives them a picture of hope by showing them a glimpse of what Heaven will be like. He is giving us a picture of the greatest carrot on a stick for us, Heaven, is that inheritance God is promising us beyond our scope of understanding. How incredibly wondrous this must be; our place and security is in Heaven to come and our joy can then be declared and lived out.Does John 14 teach a Rapture?

Then Matthew 24 was written to the JEWS. Because you have accepted REPLACEMENT Theology, you do not understand one simple fact.
The Rapture of the Church CAN NOT be found in Matthew 24 and Jesus was not referring to it because.....But that will not work, Matthew 24 is not about the Church which didn’t even exist on the day that they asked Jesus these questions.

CONTEXT.......BIBLE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT!(You said so).

Matthew 23:39 ends with..........
“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

Jesus has something very important for the apostles to understand, and He begins to speak prophetically. He is giving a prophecy, not of the time in which they were living (though you can draw some parallels), but of a time far into the future. The time of Jacob’s Trouble that Jeremiah spoke about:

Jeremiah 30:7........
“Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”

Jacob’s name was changed to Israel, as in the nation of Israel. Jacob’s trouble has no application to the Church which would be formed later in Acts 2. Jacob’s trouble is about the Jewish people and the nation of Israel as they go through the time that Jesus Himself refers to as “great tribulation” that would have no equal in human history.

Then you said.............

"Then the Great White Throne Judgment of the lost of all the ages takes place in Rev. 20:11-15...……… and Then the New Earth is created."

What YOU DID NOT SAY and do not seem to understand is that between Rev. 20:15 and Rev. 21:1 IS THE 1000 YEAR RULE OF CHRIST!

CONTEXT!

​

 

[Major1]

Bible details matter.

Romans 2 for example... matters.

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9 for example... matters


Rom 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.



So we see here that we Bible details with which you have all kinds of problems and it really doers manifest itself in what you are saying.

I would encourage you to read the BIBLE itself and there you would find the truth.
For example, you have tried ignore several Old. Test. Scriptures in your theology without giving any merit to what they say.

Remember... "Bible details matter"





On the contrary --- accepting Bible details is the way to avoid doctrinal error. I choose the Bible.




Not even remotely true.

I would encourage to put away the SDA commentaries and stick with the Bible only.

2 Timothy 2:15 ..........
" Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Romans 11:1
" I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. "
​

Romans 11:2 ........​

"God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel ? "​

​

IF....IF replacement theology was possible then YOU have a very real problem explaining Revelation 7:4-8.........​

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”​

​

As YOU have said and I agree....BIBLE DETAILS MATTER! In fact I would say that they mean EVERTHING.​

 

[Major1]

Well that is what the Bible says as I keep showing the texts about there being
1. No humans left - all dead bodies scattered all across the earth with no one to bury them as we saw in the texts quoted
2. And Rev 19 says that after killing all the armies opposing Christ --"the rest are killed"
3. And John 14 says that Jesus takes all the saints to heaven when He shows up. We also see that in 1Thess 4.
4. And Matthew 24 says that happens "immediately after the great tribulation.



Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleys with your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you And will set darkness on your land,'' Declares the Lord GOD.



Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.


Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.


Zeph 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD'S wrath; And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the LORD lays the earth waste, devastates it, distorts its surface and scatters its inhabitants.
2 And the people will be like the priest, the servant like his master, the maid like her mistress, the buyer like the seller, the lender like the borrower, the creditor like the debtor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste and completely despoiled,



It is obviously a World Wide Calamity – world wide catastrophe

Isaiah 24
17 Terror and pit and snare Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit, And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare; For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.
20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it, And it will fall, never to rise again.


those texts are in the actual Bible and "Bible details matter"





By contrast - the actual Bible "detail" is that it states it is 'the whole earth'

Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleys with your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken

It is completely in error to try and ignore every detail in it that does not fit your preferences.


Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.




And it also says

all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.



until you note "the details" -- dead bodies all across the earth -- no one left to bury them nor relatives/family to lament them.

Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.






The Earth itself split through, broken, shaken -- the Earth reels to and fro

Isaiah 24
17 Terror and pit and snare Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit, And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare; For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.
20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it, And it will fall, never to rise again.


ZEPHANIAH 1:18
CONTEXT demands something different that what you want to believe.
Zeph. is referring to the coming BAYLONIAN Invasion.
Verse 4 says..……"And I will stretch out my hand upon JUDAH and upon all the inhabitants of JERUSALEM...….".


Zeph 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD'S wrath; And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.


And END of all inhabitants of the Earth.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth" Gen 1:1
"in six days the LORD made the heavens and the Earth and all that is in them" Ex 20:11


You are making the classic error of "Cherry Picking" a verse or chapter here and there ignoring the details that do not fit your preference and holding to YOUR theology despite the details.



On the contrary.

Isaiah 9
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

Is a LOCAL reference to Isaiah 8
3 So I approached the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. Then the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz; 4 for before the boy knows how to cry out ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria will be carried away before the king of Assyria.”

But it has a global eschatological reference to Christ far in the future.

Clearly many details in chapter 9 cannnot be shoehorned into that limited scope of chapter 8.

This is the 2nd time you have posted this material. The answer is the same know as when I first gave it to you.

 

[bbbbbbb]

This is the 2nd time you have posted this material. The answer is the same know as when I first gave it to you.

I think you will discover, if you have not already, that Bob Ryan is somewhat of a broken record, continuously repeating the same worn out tune until his opponents give up in disgust.

 

[BobRyan]

This is the 2nd time you have posted this material. The answer is the same know as when I first gave it to you.

I have noted your preferences and have agreed that you do have your right to them. No objection on that point from me.

 

[EmSw]

I guess that somehow you did not know that I realized exactly what you were trying to do by asking for a YES or NO answer only.

Were you guilty of the same thing by asking a yes or no question?

Now, do you see how deceptive your actions were? Everyone else certainly does.
You see, I DID NOT SAY or imply that there was something we need to do in order to be saved.

You said...………..
'We see it's not faith alone which saves, but faith and good works.

Again, I DID NOT SAY THAT!

No sir, you did not; I said that. Where did I mention that you said it?

Exodus 20:16…………..
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."

By your thinking you just lost your salvation my friend.

Really? Did you not read what I said about repentance and forgiveness? Why are you even thinking I lost my salvation?

I said...…..
1 John 3:9.....…..
"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God."

Galatians 6:7-8...….
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life."

To which you replied...……..
"We see that the practice of sinning is not lifestyle of one born again. You see this when you gave the two previous passages. We see it's not faith alone which saves, but faith and good works."

Correct! THE CONTINUEING PRACTICE OF COMMITTING KNOWN SIN IS THE LIFE STYLE OF THE LOST MAN!

Now the rest of your comment #413 is spot on and I agree completely.

What do you say to the OSAS'ers who say you can continue in your sin and still be saved?

 

[BobRyan]

I would encourage to put away the SDA commentaries and stick with the Bible only.

It is more than a little 'funny' that you view quotes of the Bible itself as a quote of some 'SDA commentary".

More focus on "Bible details" please.

2 Timothy 2:15 ..........
" Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

That is where those Bible texts that you are asking not to see again - are coming in.

Romans 11:1
" I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. "

Is followed by

Rom 11
7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened

13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

Bible details matter.

Rom 11
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. ​

IF....IF replacement theology was possible then YOU have a very real problem explaining Revelation 7:4-8.........
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”
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Ok then notice then... notice the Bible details that explain the case in Rev 7
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Romans 2 for example... matters.

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9 for example... matters


Rom 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

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Bible details matter.

 

[BobRyan]

What do you say to the OSAS'ers who say you can continue in your sin and still be saved?

I say they are missing a few Bible details

 

[BobRyan]

You see, I DID NOT SAY or imply that there was something we need to do in order to be saved.

Is there any text in the Bible where God tells the wicked to "do nothing" if they want salvation?

Do you believe in "arbitrary selection"?

 

[BobRyan]

I think you will discover, if you have not already, that Bob Ryan is somewhat of a broken record, continuously repeating the same worn out tune until his opponents give up in disgust.

what you call 'tune' -- the rest of us see as actual irrefutable Bible texts.

Those who do not approve of those texts ... will at some point become disgusted at the mere sight of those irrefutable texts.

 

[BobRyan]

This is the 2nd time you have posted this material. The answer is the same know as when I first gave it to you.

you say "no texts I see no text"

I post the texts..

you say "I see those texts again... don't post those texts again".

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective readers.

As I said you are most certainly welcomed to your own preferences but not your own facts. So when you post something that is already refuted by the text of scripture itself - expect to see that irrefutable text ... again.

 

[Major1]

you say "no texts I see no text"

I post the texts..

you say "I see those texts again... don't post those texts again".

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective readers.

As I said you are most certainly welcomed to your own preferences but not your own facts. So when you post something that is already refuted by the text of scripture itself - expect to see that irrefutable text ... again.

But the problem with your statement is your own words my friend.

You said...………..
"As I said you are most certainly welcomed to your own preferences but not your own facts."

That is a well said fact and I agree completely!

You are making comments based on your OWN interpretations and preferences and no matter how many times you post the same thing, it is still wrong and un-Biblical.

 

[Major1]

what you call 'tune' -- the rest of us see as actual irrefutable Bible texts.

Those who do not approve of those texts ... will at some point become disgusted at the mere sight of those irrefutable texts.

It has nothing to do with anyone becoming discussed with the sight of Biblical texts.

What is being said to you is that most people have become disgusted at your insistence of posting the same material over and over expecting a different result.

You have post Ezekiel 32 as an example to say that the "World will be desolate and Ez. 32 is used to validate YOUR OPINION.

I have shown you that every Bible commentator and Scholar and REAL TIME Historical facts proved that Ezekiel 32 was a reference to the Babylonian invasion of Israel.

However, you reject those facts and post that same Scripture again and again trying to validate your false teaching.

 

[Major1]

Is there any text in the Bible where God tells the wicked to "do nothing" if they want salvation?

Do you believe in "arbitrary selection"?

Right here is why so much of your theology is unacceptable. You do not seem to understand the basics of Christianity.

You constantly use the Old. Test. book of Ezekiel which is wonderful but you always only pick out verse YOU like. Well here is one for you to consider.

The Hebrew word for wickedness we find in dozens of Scriptures and is used twice in Ezekiel 18:20. in the Old Testament is typically “rish`ah” and means “guilt” and when used as an adjective is “rasha`” which means “criminal” or “guilty one” or “guilty of crime”. So ultimately, all wickedness is described in the Old Testament as someone who is guilty of committing a crime and is considered a criminal act worthy of punishment in God’s eyes because sin (crime) is against God for, in the end, all sin is against God even though it hurts the person committing it and others around him or her.
https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/how-does-the-bible-define-wickedness/#ixzz5IJApgFWy

So in that context my dear friend YOU were at one time just as WICKED as those you are referring to AND SO WAS I!

YOU and me and everyone else falls under Rom. 3:10-12....
“None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands” and “All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one”.

Acts 16:31...……...
"They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Acts 2:21...….
"And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Titus 2:11-12...……..
"For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."

Rom 6:23...….
“but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

The Bible shows us the depravity and the utter helplessness of mankind to do anything in themselves to redeem themselves to be in a right standing before God after death (Heb 9:27). It is God’s gift to us not our gift of works to Him which only serves to be the filthiest of rags to Him (Isaiah 64:6).

 

[Major1]

I say they are missing a few Bible details

Incorrect! We are just not making it up as we go along.

 

[Major1]

It is more than a little 'funny' that you view quotes of the Bible itself as a quote of some 'SDA commentary".

More focus on "Bible details" please.

2 Timothy 2:15 ..........
" Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

That is where those Bible texts that you are asking not to see again - are coming in.

Romans 11:1
" I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. "

Is followed by

Rom 11
7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened

13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

Bible details matter.

Rom 11
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. ​

Ok then notice then... notice the Bible details that explain the case in Rev 7
​

Romans 2 for example... matters.

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9 for example... matters


Rom 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

​

Bible details matter.

Replacement Theology which you promote is one of the worst if not the worst of all theologies.

As we have seen from your comments it in turn obscured the Biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith and that is the most tragic of all falsehoods.
Unfortunately the false priesthood and the priestly functions which developed within Christianity, on the foundation of Replacement Theology, continue to create, in innumerable people, the illusion of being right with God. In reality, only Jesus “is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them” (Heb 7:25).

 

[Major1]

I think you will discover, if you have not already, that Bob Ryan is somewhat of a broken record, continuously repeating the same worn out tune until his opponents give up in disgust.

AMEN!