Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

[Yarddog]

You really need to read the CCC again.

I have.

 

[Yarddog]

Mathew 5:17-20
Please exegete.

The Law of Moses is holy. It applies to those under that Law, the Jewish people. It will remain in place over the Jewish people until all things which God deems accomplished are done.
For those who place themselves under those laws they must follow all 613 and not break any and not teach anyone the break even one.

 

[Yarddog]

What's a "work of the law"?

Surely you aren't that unlearned.

So we don't work...it's the Holy Spirit that does all the work?
We get to do nothing?

Oh boy. ..

 

[Yarddog]

I'm talking about the 10 commandments, which you mentioned.
What's the difference between Jesus' commandments and the 10 commandments?
Does Jesus not want us to follow the 10 commandments?

The 10 commandments are part of the 613.
Jesus' new commandment wraps everything into a nice simple statement. Love.

If you know how to love, why do you need a bunch of laws to tell you how to apply that love.?

 

[Yarddog]

P.S. For tomorrow...
instead of telling me personal things about me which may or may not be true, why not respond to my posts??

These:
Post no. 352
no. 354
no. 355

That would be the proper thing to do.
See you then.

I get lost in all of these post. Sorry. ..

Oops. Already did. It takes time and I had to go cut my church's grass. (I didn't do anything, I watched the Holy Spirit do it for me. Lol.)

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Is it possible to keep the Ten Commandments?

Yes, for last night in my sleep I think I did pretty darn well for at least an hour or two.

Sanctification process -- still working on it.

M-Bob

 

[zoidar]

Equal ultimacy error. Calvinism does not teach this (that God choose who goes to Hell).

God does not choose who goes to Hell. Man's natural condition is condemnation for their sin against God. What is amazing is that God saves anyone at all.


John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.



Since it is a misrepresentation of what the Bible (and Calvinism) teaches, the question is moot.

Recommended reading: The Potter's Freedom by James R. White.

If God chooses the people He will give repentive grace and salvation, and basing that solely on a decision that has nothing to with us, isn't that indirectly choosing some for hell, since He is not choosing them for heaven, even He could.

 

[zoidar]

"the whole world" cannot be restricted to the believing portion (cf. 1Jn_4:14 and 1Jn_5:19).

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one

 

[1stcenturylady]

LOL, I think it's easier to disobey parents than God!

Aren't all sins willful?
What would be an example of a sin that is NOT willful?
I can't think of any.

No, not all sins are willful in God's eyes. His word tells us in Numbers 15 that there was a sacrifice for UNINTENTIONAL sin, but reading further, there was no sacrifice for presumptuous, willful sin - they killed them.

This should answer your question also about "aren't all sins willful?" I assume you mean "the same." I think Catholics use the terms 'mortal sins' and 'venial sins.'

1 John 5:16-17
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

As for a list of unintentional sin...

Let's use the fruit of the Spirit.

love,
joy,
peace,
longsuffering,
kindness,
goodness,
faithfulness,
gentleness,
self-control.

They would be unintentionally against one of these fruit.

Seeing as these unintentional and unknown sins are committed while walking in the Spirit, they do not require confession and repentance, and the blood of Jesus cleanses them automatically. However, it is my personal belief, that if it is a habit that injures someone's feelings, the Spirit will show them the injury so they can then repent and grow out of the habit.

I remember in Hollywood I was in a store and one of the customers was famous. All the staff vied around her and ignored me. They unintentionally and unknowingly sinned against me. Understand? James 2 speaks of that example. It is not against the old "law" of commandments; it was against our Law of Liberty.

 

[zoidar]

If you seek to live under the Law, you will be judged by the Law. Don't do that!

Thank you for your concern about me

To live under the law, isn't that about trying to find salvation through the law? Salvation is through an obedience/love/faith relationship with Jesus. I think the problem is when you think you can win salvation by keepin the law, when it's other way around, salvation gives you the power to keep the law.

 

[zoidar]

God gave the Law of Moses to the Jewish people but Abraham was not under that Law. Gentiles are not under that Law. We do have an obedience to follow and that is Jesus' command to love and to believe.

Jesus also says a lot about what to do and not to do.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Law of Moses is holy. It applies to those under that Law, the Jewish people. It will remain in place over the Jewish people until all things which God deems accomplished are done.
For those who place themselves under those laws they must follow all 613 and not break any and not teach anyone the break even one.

You very obviously know absolutely nothing regarding Torah observance. No one, not even Yeshua could follow ALL 613.

 

[zoidar]

I see no contradiction, only God's grace.

Rom 8:7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so

Rom 7:15 "For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 19 "For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.

Rom 7:15, does that sound like a man living by the spirit or someone living by the flesh?

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

You very obviously know absolutely nothing regarding Torah observance. No one, not even Yeshua could follow ALL 613.

"No one, not even Yeshua could follow ALL 613", do you know Who "Yeshua", is?

In the Old Testament He is called, "Elohim", and "Yahweh", and "the Mighty God", and "Immanuel", and "the Angel of the Lord", etc, etc. In the New Testament, "God", "Lord=Yahweh", "the First and the Last", "the Beginning and the End", and "the Creator". The Father says of "Yeshua", "Your Throne O God...", and "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands". YES, Jesus Christ IS YHWH, the Eternal, Self-Existing and Uncreated Almighty God.

 

[Yarddog]

Jesus also says a lot about what to do and not to do.

Yes he does but Christians are supposed to live by God's Spirit and should know how to act and love.

 

[Yarddog]

You very obviously know absolutely nothing regarding Torah observance. No one, not even Yeshua could follow ALL 613.

So you believe Jesus sinned?

 

[zoidar]

Yes he does but Christians are supposed to live by God's Spirit and should know how to act and love.

I agree, but I also believe that we should do what Jesus says, and not do what Jesus tells us to not do.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I agree, but I also believe that we should do what Jesus says, and not do what Jesus tells us to not do.

Examples please. What does Jesus tell us to do, and not do?

 

[Yarddog]

I agree, but I also believe that we should do what Jesus says, and not do what Jesus tells us to not do.

I agree. Love and the all is fulfilled.

 

[sdowney717]

The Law of Moses is holy. It applies to those under that Law, the Jewish people. It will remain in place over the Jewish people until all things which God deems accomplished are done.
For those who place themselves under those laws they must follow all 613 and not break any and not teach anyone the break even one.

Here is a good read about the old testament and its laws, it was a ministry of death and it was glorious, everything God does is glorious, including sending sinners to hell for their sins against Him. But the OC has completely passed away, it is no more in effect, God is no longer there. The New Covenant established in Christ's blood is the only covenant God has with people today, either jew or gentile. If a jew is to be saved, then he must do so under the new covenant and this new covenant of obedience to Jesus Christ is perfected by God and will not be done away with ever. Before the Law was given by Moses, there was grace by faith as Abraham experienced with God, and Paul in another place calls Abraham the father of us all. We who believe in Christ are the seed of Abraham, and it is us Jesus helps to salvation, not the world, Christ does not pray for the world, Christ prays only for those the Father has given to Him as believers.

7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.