" Not one jot or tittle shall pass away "

[DaveDavids]

I've just noticed something while studying Greek manuscripts and was wondering if someone can help clear this up for me

It stems from this verse:

Mat 5:18

" For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled "

I look this up in several Greek concordances and it says the following:

Tittle

κεραια keraia {ker-ah'-yah} from a presumed derivative of the base of 2768;; n f AV - tittle 2; 2 1) a little horn 2) extremity, apex, point 2a) used by grammarians of the accents and diacritical points. Jesus used it of the little lines or projections, by which the Hebrew letters in other respects similar differ from one another; the meaning is, Vnot even the minutest part of the law shall perishV.

" lines and projections " in Hebrew would likely be tagin or dagesh , while in Greek this refers to the literary convention of the " titlo "

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Next concordance said:

Tittle

Strong's Concordance
keraia: a little horn
Original Word: κεραία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: keraia
Phonetic Spelling: (ker-ah'-yah)
Short Definition: an apostrophe
Definition: a little hook, an apostrophe on letters of the alphabet, distinguishing them from other little letters, or a separation stroke between letters.
HELPS Word-studies

2762 keraía – properly, a little "horn," i.e. " 'a little hook, an apostrophe' on letters of the alphabet, distinguishing them from other like-letters, or a 'separation stroke' between letters" (Souter); a tittle (KJV).

["Tittle" comes from the Latin, titulus – the stroke above an abbreviated word – and later, any small mark.

"In Vay. R. 19 the guilt of altering one of them is pronounced so great that if it were done the world would be destroyed" (so McNeile).]

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A tittle then is used over sacred names / objects in Greek manuscripts, known as a " nomen sacrum " ( sacred name )

The words themselves are abbreviated

Metzger lists 15 such expressions from Greek papyri: the Greek counterparts of:

God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven.

These nomina sacra are all found in Greek manuscripts of the 3rd century and earlier, except Mother, which appears in the 4th


So what I am curious about here, is the fact that New Testament authors took the common abbreviated Christogram

ΧΣ

...which is normally written with the " little horn " ( titlo )

and they affixed the letter stigma ϛ, (στίγμα), which is originally a common Greek noun meaning "a mark, dot, puncture", or generally " a sign ",

to the Christogram

ΧΣϛ


...which they then wrote a titlo ( little horn ) over

However ΧΣϛ ( 666 ) does not seem to belong on the list:

God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven



...yet it was clearly written as it belongs on this list, as a " sacred name / object "

So did New Testament authors know something we don't ?

I would also raise the question of academic / theological bias, because people are clearly choosing to overlook this, and if you recall the start of this post clearly says:

" For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled "


( note to mods, if this is in the wrong forum, please move it to the appropriate place, thanks

 

[drjean]

oh sorry... I cannot fully read this right now, but I thought you were going to end up at the "little rock " (Peter) versus ROCK (Jesus)....

 

[com7fy8]

However ΧΣϛ ( 666 ) does not seem to belong on the list:

God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven



...yet it was clearly written as it belongs on this list, as a " sacred name / object "

So did New Testament authors know something we don't ?

(1) What are you considering that they knew that we don't?

(2) I understand that you mean that in the Bible in the Greek, that there is a sacred form of "666". If this is what you mean, which scriptures are you saying have this sacred form of "666"?

In case you mean where Revelation says that Satan will use a "666" form, his use of this might have a sacred mark, but it is Satan making the claim that it is sacred, in case he does this! It would, then, in such a use, be part of Satan claiming and trying to be God.

 

[Steve Petersen]

If you have seen Hebrew letters, the finish with a little flourish that could be called a horn.

 

[DaveDavids]

Yes Steve, several concordances mention this in addition to the Greek use of the Titlo, we could dissect this topic more thoroughly if you like

All I'm pointing out is that people have overlooked a rather important Greek notation that is in plain sight and they've done it for something that's been so heavily scrutinized for so long it seems inept ( not to offend any scholars out there )

It seems strange that there would be so many people trying to " figure out " some mystery about the use of this number, and so much focus on it by people over so many years, yet they overlook, either willingly, or just due to lack of study beyond a dilettante level, a most basic and common Greek notation they should be quite familiar with if they claim to " study the scriptures "

Anybody can look up any Greek manuscript of Revelation 13:18 , with either 616 or 666 ( Monogram VS Christogram ) and clearly see this " little horn " tittle/titlo notation over it

The " number of the beast " is written as ΧΣϛ

That is the first and last letters of the Greek word " Christ " which is a well known Christogram

ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ

with the letter for the number 6, ϛ ( or as a common Greek noun - mark, sign, etc )

ΧΣ
ΧΣϛ

I'm just saying, I've heard so much " true " exegesis about Revelation from so many sources, but not a single mention of this


" Jesus " ( Example Below )

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The jot and the tittle is basically another way of saying, "the crossing of a "t" and the dotting of an "i." Jesus came not to abolish the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them. This is in reference to not just the Law but the prophetic books in the Old Testament, as well. Hence, the phrase: "Law and the Prophets." Jesus came not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it into it's intended ultimate purpose or peak with the commands given to us in the New Testament. For Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed. In other words, we are under a New Covenant with New Commands.

 

[Der Alte]

The way I learned it was the "jot" is actually the yod the smallest Hebrew letter which looks like an apostrophe י. The tittle is the little projection on similar letters for example daleth ד and resh ר. The slight projection at the upper right of the daleth distinguishes it from resh. The letters beth ב and kaph כ. The little projection at the lower right of beth distinguishes it from kaph. The letters gimel ג and nun נ. The little projection at the lower right of the gimel distinguishes it from nun. Also sin שׂ and shin שׁ. The dot on the left of sin distinguishes it from shin with the dot on the right. In all these letters if the "tittle" is omitted or changed it changes the letter completely.

 

[drjean]

I find it interesting that the human body is made of of 6 electrons 6 neutrons and 6 proton

Carbon 7 is a reference to the isotope mass of an atom. The reference to 666 in the Bible, the so-called number of the beast - and we are that beast - is a description of the carbon atom of which we are composed, 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons, while 616 is a description of the carbon atom with 6 protons, 1 neutron, and 6 electrons. There is some scholarly debate ongoing as to whether the original Biblical text translates to 666 or 616, but it doesn't really matter since both are relevant for our purposes.​

 

[DaveDavids]

Right, so I'll post this:



For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:18

ióta: iota
Original Word: ἰῶτα, τό
Part of Speech: Indeclinable Letter (Noun)
Transliteration: ióta
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-o'-tah)
Short Definition: a small letter of the Greek alphabet

Definition: iota, a small letter of the Greek alphabet, used in the NT (like yod, the Hebrew or rather Aramaic letter which was the smallest of all) to indicate the smallest part.

HELPS Word-studies

2503 iṓta ("jot" in the KJV) – "yōd, the smallest Hebrew (Aramaic) letter" (Souter). By analogy, the Hebrew letter yōd refers to the Greek letter, iōta (the smallest letter in the Greek alphabet).

And this again:


For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Matthew 5:18


Tittle

keraia: a little horn
Original Word: κεραία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: keraia
Phonetic Spelling: (ker-ah'-yah)
Short Definition: an apostrophe
Definition: a little hook, an apostrophe on letters of the alphabet, distinguishing them from other little letters, or a separation stroke between letters.
HELPS Word-studies
2762 keraía – properly, a little "horn," i.e. " 'a little hook, an apostrophe' on letters of the alphabet, distinguishing them from other like-letters, or a 'separation stroke' between letters" (Souter); a tittle (KJV).

["Tittle" comes from the Latin, titulus – the stroke above an abbreviated word – and later, any small mark.

"In Vay. R. 19 the guilt of altering one of them is pronounced so great that if it were done the world would be destroyed" (so McNeile).]





Those are the standard concordance listings



Wiki says:

The word " titlo " is a borrowing from the Greek "τίτλος", "title" (compare dated English tittle, )



The root word of " tittle " is


Horn


keras: a horn
Original Word: κέρας, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: keras
Phonetic Spelling: (ker'-as)
Short Definition: a horn
Definition: (a) a horn, (b) a horn-like projection at the corner of an altar, (c) a horn as a symbol of power.


HELPS Word-studies

2768 kéras– properly, an animal horn; (figuratively) an instrument of power, i.e. that overcomes by displaying overpowering strength.

[2768 /kéras ("horn") symbolizes the strength of (horned) bulls (see Ps 132:17).]



Now, I'd rather discuss the Akkadian cognate " qarnu " to the Hebrew " qeren " to the Greek " keras ", because then we get into some very deep studies that delve into early priestly sources, but we should stick to the thread topic and that's not what " I think " about the fact 666 is written as a nomen sacrum


...but rather the fact that it's overlooked

 

[DaveDavids]

I find it interesting that the human body is made of of 6 electrons 6 neutrons and 6 proton

Carbon 7 is a reference to the isotope mass of an atom. The reference to 666 in the Bible, the so-called number of the beast - and we are that beast - is a description of the carbon atom of which we are composed, 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons, while 616 is a description of the carbon atom with 6 protons, 1 neutron, and 6 electrons. There is some scholarly debate ongoing as to whether the original Biblical text translates to 666 or 616, but it doesn't really matter since both are relevant for our purposes.​

You know, I've seen this mentioned before ( On some conspiracy forums....) , but never come across any mention of it in ancient texts, in any language

666 and 144,000 otoh are used in priestly Babylonian texts that preserved original Sumerian texts written in Akkadian

Used for complex calculations in the astronomy ( Eclipses and New Moons ) of the priests, the exegesis of these texts could only be correctly understood by an initiated priest ( as when you get into cuneiform, words have different meanings that were hidden as part of priest's secrets )

There is also some highly complex stuff regarding gematria and prophetic scriptures, but I don't want to bore anybody, because we'd have to at the very least dissect Newton's work on the Bible, but most assuredly Naram-Sin's metrological reformation of Mesopotamia in addition to a host of other obscure topics pertaining to the priesthood of " High Priests "

 

[Steve Petersen]

I find it interesting that the human body is made of of 6 electrons 6 neutrons and 6 proton

Carbon 7 is a reference to the isotope mass of an atom. The reference to 666 in the Bible, the so-called number of the beast - and we are that beast - is a description of the carbon atom of which we are composed, 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons, while 616 is a description of the carbon atom with 6 protons, 1 neutron, and 6 electrons. There is some scholarly debate ongoing as to whether the original Biblical text translates to 666 or 616, but it doesn't really matter since both are relevant for our purposes.​

The element on the periodic table corresponding to 6 (having six electrons and six neutrons) is carbon.

Not only humans, but ALL life forms on this planet are carbon based. So suggesting that 6 is ONLY associated with man in this way doesn't work, because it is associated with all living things, not just man.

There is no such thing as Carbon-7 that I have heard of.

There IS an element 7 though: it is called nitrogen.

 

[listed]

I've just noticed something while studying Greek manuscripts and was wondering if someone can help clear this up for me

It stems from this verse:

Mat 5:18

" For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled "

I look this up in several Greek concordances and it says the following:

Tittle

κεραια keraia {ker-ah'-yah} from a presumed derivative of the base of 2768;; n f AV - tittle 2; 2 1) a little horn 2) extremity, apex, point 2a) used by grammarians of the accents and diacritical points. Jesus used it of the little lines or projections, by which the Hebrew letters in other respects similar differ from one another; the meaning is, Vnot even the minutest part of the law shall perishV.

" lines and projections " in Hebrew would likely be tagin or dagesh , while in Greek this refers to the literary convention of the " titlo "

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Next concordance said:

Tittle

Strong's Concordance
keraia: a little horn
Original Word: κεραία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: keraia
Phonetic Spelling: (ker-ah'-yah)
Short Definition: an apostrophe
Definition: a little hook, an apostrophe on letters of the alphabet, distinguishing them from other little letters, or a separation stroke between letters.
HELPS Word-studies

2762 keraía – properly, a little "horn," i.e. " 'a little hook, an apostrophe' on letters of the alphabet, distinguishing them from other like-letters, or a 'separation stroke' between letters" (Souter); a tittle (KJV).

["Tittle" comes from the Latin, titulus – the stroke above an abbreviated word – and later, any small mark.

"In Vay. R. 19 the guilt of altering one of them is pronounced so great that if it were done the world would be destroyed" (so McNeile).]

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A tittle then is used over sacred names / objects in Greek manuscripts, known as a " nomen sacrum " ( sacred name )

The words themselves are abbreviated

Metzger lists 15 such expressions from Greek papyri: the Greek counterparts of:

God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven.

These nomina sacra are all found in Greek manuscripts of the 3rd century and earlier, except Mother, which appears in the 4th


So what I am curious about here, is the fact that New Testament authors took the common abbreviated Christogram

ΧΣ

...which is normally written with the " little horn " ( titlo )

and they affixed the letter stigma ϛ, (στίγμα), which is originally a common Greek noun meaning "a mark, dot, puncture", or generally " a sign ",

to the Christogram

ΧΣϛ


...which they then wrote a titlo ( little horn ) over

However ΧΣϛ ( 666 ) does not seem to belong on the list:

God, Lord, Jesus, Christ, Son, Spirit, David, Cross, Mother, Father, Israel, Savior, Man, Jerusalem, and Heaven



...yet it was clearly written as it belongs on this list, as a " sacred name / object "

So did New Testament authors know something we don't ?

I would also raise the question of academic / theological bias, because people are clearly choosing to overlook this, and if you recall the start of this post clearly says:

" For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled "


( note to mods, if this is in the wrong forum, please move it to the appropriate place, thanks

What is your position about the law and who it applies to?

 

[Ron Gurley]

Jesus Mission: ALL has been accomplished!...Mosaic LAW FULFILLED!...
The NT completes the OT!

Matthew 5...Jesus 'Sermon on the Mount...Disciples and the World
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to FULFILL.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the (MOSIAC) Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (DOCTRINE OF REWARDS...SOW-REAP

Mark 1:15
and saying, “The time is FULFILLED, and the "kingdom of God" (Jesus!) is at hand;
repent and believe in the "gospel".” (= Jesus the Divine Messaiah has COME to save Man!)

Luke 4 (NASB)...Jesus FULFILLS the Scriptures
16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written:
18-19
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”

20 And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down;
and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
21 And He began to say to them,
“Today this Scripture has been FULFILLED in your hearing.

Luke 24:44...Post-resurrection Jesus to His closest followers...Now He said to them,
“These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be FULFILLED.”

I.Immanuel = "God with us" or "with us is God"
A.symbolic and prophetic name of the Messiah, the Christ, prophesying that He would be born of a virgin and would be 'God with us'

 

[Ron Gurley]

John 19: 28-28 (NASB)
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, “I am thirsty.”
He said, “It is FINISHED!” And He bowed His head and gave up His SPIRIT.

Luke 23:46
And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said,
“Father, into Your hands I commit My SPIRIT”
Having said this, He breathed His last. (body/soul combo bled to death)

 

[Ron Gurley]

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

 

[icxn]

...So what I am curious about here, is the fact that New Testament authors took the common abbreviated Christogram

ΧΣ

...which is normally written with the " little horn " ( titlo )

and they affixed the letter stigma ϛ, (στίγμα), which is originally a common Greek noun meaning "a mark, dot, puncture", or generally " a sign ",

to the Christogram

ΧΣϛ

ΧΣς is not 666. Χξς (or ΧΞς) is the proper spelling. The letter ξ (or Ξ in capitals) is the one inserted (not affixed) between the letters of the abbreviated name of Christ, Χριστός. The letter ξ is sometimes called snake-like from its shape. So the number Χξς denotes anything or anyone that divides or destroys Christ, most notably the Devil.

Also, grammatically, κεραία is a horizontal line (not an apostrophe) that is sometimes added to certain vowels to make them long (phonetically). If you combine the letter Ι (iota) and the κεραία you make a cross. On the Cross all of the law was fulfilled. Incidentally the numerical value of the letter iota is 10, another number that denotes the (fulfillment of the) law, not to mention the first letter of the name of Jesus, Ιησούς. On a side note, κεραία is the nautical term used to describe the horizontal beam from which the sail of a boat is affixed. Boat being a symbol of the Church, with Iota as the mast, the function and importance of the Cross is evident.

As for the number 6, it usually denotes the creative capacity to practice God's commandments. The world was created in six days and the inner world of the virtues, in other words righteousness, is established in six ways (Matthew 25:35-36). The six clay jars that Christ filled with wine, His first miracle, was a prefiguration of this power that He came to restore in us having lost it after Adam's disobedience.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Exodus Rabbah VI: 1. …When God gave the Torah to Israel, He inserted therein positive and negative commands and gave some commandments for a king, as it says: ‘Only he shall not multiply horses to himself... Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away; neither silver and gold (Deut. XVII, 16-17)’. But Solomon arose and studied the reason of God's decree, saying: ‘Why did God command, " He shall not multiply wives to himself? Is it not " That his heart turn not away "? Well, I will multiply and still my heart will not turn away. Our Sages said: At that time, the yod [jot] of the word yarbeh ['shall not'] went up on high and prostrated itself before God and said: ‘Master of the Universe! Hast thou not said that no letter shall ever be abolished from the Torah? Behold, Solomon has now arisen and abolished one. Who knows? Today he has abolished one letter, to-morrow he will abolish another until the whole Torah will be nullified? ' God replied: ' Solomon and a thousand like him will pass away, but the smallest tittle will not be erased from thee.’ …For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods (I Kings XI, 4). R. Simeon b. Yohai said: It had been better for Solomon to clean sewers than to have this verse written of him; for this reason did Solomon say of himself: ’And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness and folly’ (Eccl. II, 12). Solomon said: ‘Because I tried to be wiser than the Torah and persuaded myself that I knew the intention of the Torah, did this understanding and knowledge turn out to be madness and folly.’

 

[Steve Petersen]

Tittle

κεραια keraia {ker-ah'-yah} from a presumed derivative of the base of 2768;; n f AV - tittle 2; 2 1) a little horn 2) extremity, apex, point 2a) used by grammarians of the accents and diacritical points. Jesus used it of the little lines or projections, by which the Hebrew letters in other respects similar differ from one another; the meaning is, Vnot even the minutest part of the law shall perishV.

" lines and projections " in Hebrew would likely be tagin or dagesh , while in Greek this refers to the literary convention of the " titlo "

The tittle corresponds to the tagin (decorative crown) on a Hebrew letter.

TAGIN - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[Original Happy Camper]

The jot and the tittle is basically another way of saying, "the crossing of a "t" and the dotting of an "i." Jesus came not to abolish the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them. This is in reference to not just the Law but the prophetic books in the Old Testament, as well. Hence, the phrase: "Law and the Prophets." Jesus came not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it into it's intended ultimate purpose or peak with the commands given to us in the New Testament. For Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed. In other words, we are under a New Covenant with New Commands.

In context, of Hebrews 7, the law that was changed is the Levitical priesthood, ceremonial law. The law of sacrifice fulfilled in the death of the lamb of GOD.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Your statement "In other words, we are under a New Covenant with New Commands." does not appear to belong with the verse quoted.

 

[Steve Petersen]

In context, of Hebrews 7, the law that was changed is the Levitical priesthood, ceremonial law. The law of sacrifice fulfilled in the death of the lamb of GOD.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Your statement "In other words, we are under a New Covenant with New Commands." does not appear to belong with the verse quoted.

And yet God said the Aaron and his sons were to have the priesthood FOREVER. Deuteronomy 18:5.