Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

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I think you are talking about timekeeping as in atomic clocks, not time itself. Time is not arbitrary in science. It is a fundamental part of spacetime.

The main mistake DennisTate is making is not learning about the multi-universe concept enough to make correct statements about it. For example the QCD connection is the many-worlds interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. That is one of many equally valid interpretations. A fundamental multi-universe property is that travel between the universes is impossible. A fundamental property of MWI is that an observer is always changing "rooms".

Time is not a real dimension in physics; it is a consequence of the curvature of spacial dimensions (which are real.) That it is called "space-time" is to keep note that the time, as it is known, is a consequence of the curvature of space itself.

Time as it is colloquially known in counting time is arbitrary. The "time" in space-time is a consequence of the line element. It is coupled to space and does not exist on its own.
 
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In physics, spacetime is any mathematical modelthat fuses the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time into a single four-dimensional continuum.

Time is not a real dimension in physics;

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The "time" in space-time is a consequence of the line element. It is coupled to space and does not exist on its own.


Time, t, mathematically coupled to space (space-time) is an operator and/or parameter; time alone is arbitrary.
 
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I don't think that word means what you think it means: dimension.

I know very well what a mathematical dimension is - which is why time is not an actual spacial dimension. It is, for convenience of its transformations in SR, considered a "dimension" but certainly not the ones that mathematically matter (spacial dimension.) It is, instead, coupled to a real "spacial" dimension(s) in field theory, and alone it is arbitrary.

There are vectors that act like time, but time itself is not mathematically special - and is less about time, and more about a coupling of space (with respect to the metric,) and the action. In fact, this coupling can be seen when we try to transform time, and in the fact that the change in time with respect to reference frames, not time itself, is taken as a dimension. Spaces can stand alone without time, but time is coupled to spacial dimensions.


Dimensions are specific entities in mathematics. They have mappings that allow us to define the space, the kernel and a basis.
 
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Time, t, mathematically coupled to space (space-time) is an operator and/or parameter; time alone is arbitrary.
Sorry, Kaon, but repeating irrelevance about Time or spacetime does not make it correct.
This is a dimension. This an operator (mathematics) or operator (physics).

Time is a dimension. It is not a spatial dimension because time is not space :doh:.
Time is not treated as "mathematically special".

26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupling of space (with respect to the metric,) and the action"
26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupled to a real "spacial" dimension(s) in field theory".
 
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Sorry, Kaon, but repeating irrelevance about Time or spacetime does not make it correct.
This is a dimension. This an operator (mathematics) or operator (physics).

Time is a dimension. It is not a spatial dimension because time is not space :doh:.
Time is not treated as "mathematically special".

26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupling of space (with respect to the metric,) and the action"
26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupled to a real "spacial" dimension(s) in field theory".

Well, since I am repeating nonsense, there is no sense in me continuing a conversation with you, is there?

Enjoy your evening.
 
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Well, since I am repeating nonsense, there is no sense in me continuing a conversation with you, is there?.
There is sense in trying to educate you as in the previous posts.

I will record this nonsense about time in case you repeat it again elsewhere.
26 April 2018 Kaon: Unsupported "nonsense" about time being not a dimension/an operator/arbitrary when time is a dimension, is not an operator and is specific.

Support turning this from nonsense to sense would be answers to questions
26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupling of space (with respect to the metric,) and the action"
26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupled to a real "spacial" dimension(s) in field theory".

Or Kaon could acknowledge the definition of time as a dimension and his mistake.
 
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There is sense in trying to educate you as in the previous posts.

I will record this nonsense about time in case you repeat it again elsewhere.
26 April 2018 Kaon: Unsupported "nonsense" about time being not a dimension/an operator/arbitrary when time is a dimension, is not an operator and is specific.

Support turning this from nonsense to sense would be answers to questions
26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupling of space (with respect to the metric,) and the action"
26 April 2018 Kaon: Cite your sources for "coupled to a real "spacial" dimension(s) in field theory".

Or Kaon could acknowledge the definition of time as a dimension and his mistake.

Excellent.
 
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I know very well what a mathematical dimension is - which is why time is not an actual spacial dimension.
Nobody said it was a spatial dimension. Coupled or not, it is a temporal dimension.

You said, "Time is not a real dimension in physics..." and that is plain wrong; it is just as 'real' a dimension as any other - and, in extreme circumstances, can rotate to become a space-like dimension.
 
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Nobody said it was a spatial dimension. Coupled or not, it is a temporal dimension.

You said, "Time is not a real dimension in physics..." and that is plain wrong; it is just as 'real' a dimension as any other - and, in extreme circumstances, can rotate to become a space-like dimension.

Ok.
 
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Time is not a real dimension in physics; it is a consequence of the curvature of spacial dimensions (which are real.) That it is called "space-time" is to keep note that the time, as it is known, is a consequence of the curvature of space itself.

Time as it is colloquially known in counting time is arbitrary. The "time" in space-time is a consequence of the line element. It is coupled to space and does not exist on its own.

Rabbi Pinchas TAylor did what I personally thought was a brilliant explanation of the first five dimensions.... I will try to find the link to the video........

Yes.. .it is around the 37 minute mark in this video. He sounds accurate to me..... am I incorrect to think that?
 
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Rabbi Pinchas TAylor did what I personally thought was a brilliant explanation of the first five dimensions.... I will try to find the link to the video........

Yes.. .it is around the 37 minute mark in this video. He sounds accurate to me..... am I incorrect to think that?

Yes.

4th dimension is the beginning of "simultenaity" of time described by him - which is space-time. It is the curvature of 3-D space to make up a 4th spacial dimension that is coupled with time.

The 5th dimension: is a glome of that glome - where you see 4D at every orthogonal point in the 5th dimension.


Time is for our convenience; it measures changes in action. It is a constraint we put on lower spacial dimension for our sake (our dimension we think we operate in) - so that we do not experience everything at once. (As per the Most High God, everything that will happen has already happened.) The rabii is also right in that there is only "one time line/lifeline," even if there are ways to "see the future or past, and 'interact' with it." For example, a "traveller" from 2087 who dies in 2018 would have always died in 2018, despite being born in, say, 2060. That is his/her unique life line - what I would call it.


When 24, 11, or 10 dimensions are predicted to exist by theory, these are spacial dimensions with time coupled to the spaces. The math that predicts these dimensions treat time as a parameter necessary for evolving a basis of dimensions. The basis set depends on the theory used. But, time itself does not exist.
 
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Nobody said it was a spatial dimension. Coupled or not, it is a temporal dimension.

You said, "Time is not a real dimension in physics..." and that is plain wrong; it is just as 'real' a dimension as any other - and, in extreme circumstances, can rotate to become a space-like dimension.

If you were to Google, "Near Death Experience Rabbi Alon Anava" you can listen to him explain how......... during his NDE...... while his body was in a taxi going under one bridge in New York.........(maybe ten to thirty seconds at most)...... his consciousness in an out of the body state......was able to interact with HUNDREDS of individuals in an apartment building. (I assume that eventually we will see how this all fits with II Corinthians 12:2-4)

... .and in no way contradicts these simple ideas on String Theory that were written back in the 1990's:

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"


The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it?
An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
.
...

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."...
"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators.Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World ofScience)


"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth, such an one caught up to the third heaven.
And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Like many other near death experiencers........ if Paul was talking about himself I believe that he was beginning to discuss some of those "unlawful ideas" by Romans chapter 9 - 11... which I believe was a number of years after he wrote I Corinthians.

How many years probably went by between the writing of II Corinthians to Romans?
 
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Yes.

4th dimension is the beginning of "simultenaity" of time described by him - which is space-time. It is the curvature of 3-D space to make up a 4th spacial dimension that is coupled with time.

The 5th dimension: is a glome of that glome - where you see 4D at every orthogonal point in the 5th dimension.


Time is for our convenience; it measures changes in action. It is a constraint we put on lower spacial dimension for our sake (our dimension we think we operate in) - so that we do not experience everything at once. (As per the Most High God, everything that will happen has already happened.) The rabii is also right in that there is only "one time line/lifeline," even if there are ways to "see the future or past, and 'interact' with it." For example, a "traveller" from 2087 who dies in 2018 would have always died in 2018, despite being born in, say, 2060. That is his/her unique life line - what I would call it.


When 24, 11, or 10 dimensions are predicted to exist by theory, these are spacial dimensions with time coupled to the spaces. The math that predicts these dimensions treat time as a parameter necessary for evolving a basis of dimensions. The basis set depends on the theory used. But, time itself does not exist.


Now my idea is that G-d is actually more powerful than that..... and is capable of initiating multiple time lines..... and the one that we are in at this instant...... is new..... and has never happened before...... and is being determined by our decisions.............. and significantly by the thoughts and prayers of people who do pray...............

I believe that time is an invention.... comparable in some ways to a bicycle, or car, or ship or jet...... it was designed to take souls...... both angels as well as humans........ from point A to point B. ... spiritually , mentally and emotionally...........

Here is an example of a scripture that indicates that time was invented.........

Mark 2:27

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

I have read what may be anecdotal evidence that indicates non-linear time...... applied Multiverse theory..........

... and this evidence that many, many time lines that include 2018 may already have taken place...... but I am certain that what is being done now is new............ and obviously far, far, far, far better than what Dannion Brinkley was shown back in 1975......


BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services." (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

Revelation 13:17

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

So basically..... in 1975... Dannion was shown a pretty scary future series of events.... that do overlap our time line somewhat... .but differ significantly and the "mark of the beast" that he was shown has been delayed and delayed and delayed..... in our immeditate time line/ example of applied Multiverse Theory...... example of Ezekiel 37......... because all of us in a sense have been resurrected / replicated in this new time line... if that is what Dannion's vision of the future was really all about......
 
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If you were to Google, "Near Death Experience Rabbi Alon Anava" you can listen to him explain how......... during his NDE...... while his body was in a taxi going under one bridge in New York.........(maybe ten to thirty seconds at most)...... his consciousness in an out of the body state......was able to interact with HUNDREDS of individuals in an apartment building.
Do we have corroboration of this from those individuals?
 
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Do we have corroboration of this from those individuals?

Do a search and see..... . I don't think you will find it boring. The video is over an hour long but truly fascinating.
 
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Do a search and see..... . I don't think you will find it boring. The video is over an hour long but truly fascinating.
Frankly, I'd rather you just gave me the answer - or give a link to the video and point me to the time in the video where those individuals corroborate the story.
 
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Frankly, I'd rather you just gave me the answer - or give a link to the video and point me to the time in the video where those individuals corroborate the story.

It is between the sixteen minutes..... to twenty two minute mark.... most relevant part starts at eighteen minutes.....

 
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