STILL no evidence FOR creation/ID

[majj27]

No, its true, regardless of your caps.

Haven't you head? Capslock is like cruise control for cool.

 

[tas8831]

Counter, IF you can, Genesis 1:1

Burden shifting fallacy.

And besides, evolution is not about the beginning of the universe.

Most interestingly, no creationists presented anything even close to evidence. It was all the usual antics...



And it is always... ALWAYS... 'arguments' against evolution.

NEVER arguments FOR creation/ID.

Analogies to human activity, bible verses, 'problems' with evolution - none of these, not one of them, is evidence FOR creation or ID.


It is almost as if creationists have admitted to themselves, subconsciously, that they cannot actually offer any positive supporting evidence FOR their mere beliefs, and are content to simply attack 'the other.' This is true, whether the creationist is a one-line snark master, or a verbose citation and quote bombing autodidact.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Burden shifting fallacy.

And besides, evolution is not about the beginning of the universe.

Most interestingly, no creationists presented anything even close to evidence. It was all the usual antics...



And it is always... ALWAYS... 'arguments' against evolution.

NEVER arguments FOR creation/ID.

Analogies to human activity, bible verses, 'problems' with evolution - none of these, not one of them, is evidence FOR creation or ID.


It is almost as if creationists have admitted to themselves, subconsciously, that they cannot actually offer any positive supporting evidence FOR their mere beliefs, and are content to simply attack 'the other.' This is true, whether the creationist is a one-line snark master, or a verbose citation and quote bombing autodidact.

"evolution is not about the beginning of the universe", then why can't you tell us what is? that is, IF you can?

To challenge Creationism, you MUST have a counter argument, otherwise you have lost even before you begin!

 

[tas8831]

"evolution is not about the beginning of the universe", then why can't you tell us what is? that is, IF you can?

To challenge Creationism, you MUST have a counter argument, otherwise you have lost even before you begin!

Burden shifting fallacy.

And besides, evolution is not about the beginning of the universe.

Most interestingly, no creationists presented anything even close to evidence. It was all the usual antics...



And it is always... ALWAYS... 'arguments' against evolution.

NEVER arguments FOR creation/ID.

Analogies to human activity, bible verses, 'problems' with evolution - none of these, not one of them, is evidence FOR creation or ID.


It is almost as if creationists have admitted to themselves, subconsciously, that they cannot actually offer any positive supporting evidence FOR their mere beliefs, and are content to simply attack 'the other.' This is true, whether the creationist is a one-line snark master, or a verbose citation and quote bombing autodidact.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Burden shifting fallacy.

And besides, evolution is not about the beginning of the universe.

Most interestingly, no creationists presented anything even close to evidence. It was all the usual antics...



And it is always... ALWAYS... 'arguments' against evolution.

NEVER arguments FOR creation/ID.

Analogies to human activity, bible verses, 'problems' with evolution - none of these, not one of them, is evidence FOR creation or ID.


It is almost as if creationists have admitted to themselves, subconsciously, that they cannot actually offer any positive supporting evidence FOR their mere beliefs, and are content to simply attack 'the other.' This is true, whether the creationist is a one-line snark master, or a verbose citation and quote bombing autodidact.

Shows that you CANNOT counter Creation! Praise the Good Lord for His Infallible and Inerrant Word!

 

[Silmarien]

To challenge Creationism, you MUST have a counter argument, otherwise you have lost even before you begin!

Modern atheists like to argue that there is no grounds to believe that universes cannot simply pop into existence for no reason whatsoever, but the traditional alternative to creatio ex nihilo is that the universe/multiverse is itself eternal.

If you are specifically referring to Judeo-Christian Creationism, there are many, many theistic alternatives.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

Modern atheists like to argue that there is no grounds to believe that universes cannot simply pop into existence for no reason whatsoever, but the traditional alternative to creatio ex nihilo is that the universe/multiverse is itself eternal.

If you are specifically referring to Judeo-Christian Creationism, there are many, many theistic alternatives.

Like...?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Counter, IF you can, Genesis 1:1

It's just the start of yet another origin myth. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of them; imaginative stories to fill the unknown. Some invoke gods or mythical beasts, some don't.

 

[tas8831]

Shows that you CANNOT counter Creation! Praise the Good Lord for His Infallible and Inerrant Word!

No, it shows that I find your antics tedious and obnoxious, and the fact that you, rather than even try to address the OP, decided to engage in the burden shifting fallacy over and over, and when that failed, tried to change topics altogether demonstrates that you cannot provide any evidence supportive of your ancient middle eastern tales and are running away from that fact.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

It's just the start of yet another origin myth. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of them; imaginative stories to fill the unknown. Some invoke gods or mythical beasts, some don't.

Are you referring to the Creation account in Genesis as myth

 

[Alpha.Omega]

No, it shows that I find your antics tedious and obnoxious, and the fact that you, rather than even try to address the OP, decided to engage in the burden shifting fallacy over and over, and when that failed, tried to change topics altogether demonstrates that you cannot provide any evidence supportive of your ancient middle eastern tales and are running away from that fact.

WHY are you afraid to tell us how the world began. It is a very simple question

 

[Silmarien]

Like...?

One of my favorites is Neoplatonism, whereby the inner activity of God, who is utterly simple and beyond existence itself, eternally results in the emanation of Intellect (a sort of pre-embodied cognition), which then gazing back upon its source and trying to understand itself leads to a second emanation, the Soul, whose outer activity is the manifestation of physical reality. Everything is a matter of procession and return--emanating from God and then turning back to gaze upon him. But there is no genuine action of creation here in the Christian sense.

I think forms of Hinduism would have a similar approach, though I am less familiar with this aspect of Hindu theology than with others. But I get the impression that it is simply within Brahman's nature to eternally manifest physical realities. It is not very clear that this is being done intentionally.

Both of these theistic frameworks are radically nondualistic--there is no strong distinction between God and the world as there is in Christianity.

 

[Alpha.Omega]

One of my favorites is Neoplatonism, whereby the inner activity of God, who is utterly simple and beyond existence itself, eternally results in the emanation of Intellect (a sort of pre-embodied cognition), which then gazing back upon its source and trying to understand itself leads to a second emanation, the Soul, whose outer activity is the manifestation of physical reality. Everything is a matter of procession and return--emanating from God and then turning back to gaze upon him. But there is no genuine action of creation here in the Christian sense.

I think forms of Hinduism would have a similar approach, though I am less familiar with this aspect of Hindu theology than with others. But I get the impression that it is simply within Brahman's nature to eternally manifest physical realities. It is not very clear that this is being done intentionally.

Both of these theistic frameworks are radically nondualistic--there is no strong distinction between God and the world as there is in Christianity.

Only the Holy Bible and the God of the Bible is fully True and Trustworthy. All else is from the devil

 

[majj27]

Modern atheists like to argue that there is no grounds to believe that universes cannot simply pop into existence for no reason whatsoever, but the traditional alternative to creatio ex nihilo is that the universe/multiverse is itself eternal.

Well, thanks to observed quantum vacuum fluctuations, given a near-infinite length of time a Big Bang event should be not only likely, but inevitable.

Of course, according to the cosmology math-folks at the University of Chicago, that length of time should be just somewhere around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years.

You may want to bring a good book while you wait.

 

[majj27]

Only the Holy Bible and the God of the Bible is fully True and Trustworthy. All else is from the devil

My kid's math textbook is satanic?

 

[Silmarien]

Only the Holy Bible and the God of the Bible is fully True and Trustworthy. All else is from the devil

That's a little inconvenient for you, since a fair amount of what can be found in the New Testament is influenced by Greek philosophy, and therefore of the devil. Whoops!

 

[Alpha.Omega]

My kid's math textbook is satanic?

In case you hadn't noticed the thread is about Creation

 

[Alpha.Omega]

That's a little inconvenient for you, since a fair amount of what can be found in the New Testament is influenced by Greek philosophy, and therefore of the devil. Whoops!

For your information. All the 66 Books of the Holy Bible is directly Inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore Infallible and Inerrant in ALL that it says

 

[Silmarien]

Well, thanks to observed quantum vacuum fluctuations, given a near-infinite length of time a Big Bang event should be not only likely, but inevitable.

Quantum vacuums are not nothing. My favorite metaphor for explaining this is to point out that if your bank account was at zero dollars and suddenly had five thousand dollars deposited into it, its starting point was not "nothing" in the theological sense, since the entire economic structure and banking system was already in place.

If quantum vacuums are to be used as an explanation (which I am dubious about because I am unconvinced that they would even exist in the absence of a pre-existing universe), then we're back at eternal universe/multiverse as the alternative.

Also there's every reason to believe that time is a property of the universe, so it is somewhat strange to talk about near-infinities prior to the Big Bang.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Are you referring to the Creation account in Genesis as myth

Yes, of course; it's just imaginative fiction, like all the others. Gods, serpents, sea monsters, turtles, chaos, etc. See creation myths for a selection.