Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[seventysevens]

You need to meditate on scripture so that you can learn what it means 0
you speak of the Mosaic covenant which is different
There NO SEED involved in the covenant that God made with Abraham -
you are making assumptions that just because you see the word sees and Abraham that it must mean the covenant that God made with Abraham when it is NOT

There is NO seed in the covenant I speak of and it was NOT written in the New Testament so Galatians does NOT apply
Why is that too difficult for you to understand ?

God made a covenant with Abraham that is and remains UNCONDITIONAL
do you know what UNCONDITIONAL means -it means without conditions - without any criteria - without any criteria or requirements of any kind !

example if someone say to you that they are going to put you in a brand new car for free and there is no condition no criteria no requirement that you need to do -it is entirely and completely ,and fully on the other person that they will do what they say they will do

The covenant that God made with Abraham happened long before the Mosaic Covenant
while the Mosaic Covenant is being replaced the covenant God made with Abraham is never ending
That is why Israel will be the National Land that Jesus will return to
That is why Jerusalem is Israel's capital city

That is why there will be an Eternal City called Jerusalem that come down out of heaven

because of the promises God made to Abraham that have no criteria - no requirements of any kind placed upon men to do anything or fulfill anything - it is simply God doing what He chose to do because HE chose to do it !

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Galatians 3:16

(CJB) Now the promises were made to Avraham and to his seed. It doesn't say, "and to seeds," as if to many; on the contrary, it speaks of one -- "and to your seed" -- and this "one" is the Messiah.

(ESV) Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

(Geneva) Nowe to Abraham and his seede were the promises made. Hee saith not, And to the seedes, as speaking of many: but, And to thy seede, as of one, which is Christ.

(Greek NT TR) τω δε αβρααμ ερρηθησαν αι επαγγελιαι και τω σπερματι αυτου ου λεγει και τοις σπερμασιν ως επι πολλων αλλ ως εφ ενος και τω σπερματι σου ος εστιν χριστος

(GW) The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his descendant. Scripture doesn't say, "descendants," referring to many, but "your descendant," referring to one. That descendant is Christ.

(LITV-TSP) But the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his Seed (it does not say, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ). Gen. 12:7, 13:15; 17:7, 8; 24:7

(KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

(KJV+) NowG1161 to AbrahamG11 andG2532 hisG846 seedG4690 were theG3588 promisesG1860 made.G4483 He saithG3004 not,G3756 AndG2532 to seeds,G4690 asG5613 ofG1909 many;G4183 butG235 asG5613 ofG1909 one,G1520 AndG2532 to thyG4675 seed,G4690 whichG3739 isG2076 Christ.G5547

(NKJV) Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.

(YLT) and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ;

What part of Galatians 3:16 do you not understand?

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[jgr]

There NO SEED involved in the covenant that God made with Abraham -

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

I see seed.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

I see seed.

What Bible are you reading from?

 

[seventysevens]

You need to meditate on scripture so that you can learn what it means 0
you speak of the Mosaic covenant which is different
There NO SEED involved in the covenant that God made with Abraham -
you are making assumptions that just because you see the word sees and Abraham that it must mean the covenant that God made with Abraham when it is NOT

There is NO seed in the covenant I speak of and it was NOT written in the New Testament so Galatians does NOT apply
Why is that too difficult for you to understand ?

God made a covenant with Abraham that is and remains UNCONDITIONAL
do you know what UNCONDITIONAL means -it means without conditions - without any criteria - without any criteria or requirements of any kind !

example if someone say to you that they are going to put you in a brand new car for free and there is no condition no criteria no requirement that you need to do -it is entirely and completely ,and fully on the other person that they will do what they say they will do

The covenant that God made with Abraham happened long before the Mosaic Covenant
while the Mosaic Covenant is being replaced the covenant God made with Abraham is never ending
That is why Israel will be the National Land that Jesus will return to
That is why Jerusalem is Israel's capital city

That is why there will be an Eternal City called Jerusalem that come down out of heaven

because of the promises God made to Abraham that have no criteria - no requirements of any kind placed upon men to do anything or fulfill anything - it is simply God doing what He chose to do because HE chose to do it !

You do not understand ?
The covenant God made with Abraham is not in Galatians as it was made long before the covenant with Moses to which you are speaking of

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

I see seed.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

I see seed.

What Bible are you reading from?

 

[jgr]

you speak of the Mosaic covenant which is different

I don't see the word Mosaic or Moses.

 

[seventysevens]

22 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

3 Early the next morning Abraham got up and loaded his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.”

6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, 7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, “Father?”

“Yes, my son?” Abraham replied.

“The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”

8 Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” And the two of them went on together.

9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,

17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies,
18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

IT IS NOT about circumcision
It IS NOT about MOSAIC COVENANT that came much later which YOU ARE FORCING YOUR VIEWS ON IT
You are making the error of pushing your view on scripture to twist into saying what you want it to say
You may as well take the word seed offering and twist that scripture as well - or twist the meaning of the seed that fell on 4 types of soil and make it say what you want it to

 

[jgr]

It IS NOT about MOSAIC COVENANT

You just finished saying it is.

 

[seventysevens]

You just finished saying it is.

Obviously you have misunderstood what I said as I have been saying repeatedly that it is not about MOSAIC COVENANT- never has and never will be -
It was made long before Moses time

 

[jgr]

Obviously you have misunderstood what I said as I have been saying repeatedly that it is not about MOSAIC COVENANT- never has and never will be -
It was made long before Moses time

Right. It was made with Abraham.

 

[seventysevens]

Right. It was made with Abraham.

As I said this matter seems to be too difficult for you to understand
The covenant that you keep describing is the covenant with Moses which came after
The covenant with Abraham is not about circumcision or any other matter you guys keep bringing up it is simply God declaring what he will do WITHOUT ANY CRITERIA or Requirements put upon men - it is UNCONDITIONAL _ NO CONDITIONS
IT IS EVERLASTING ETERNAL NEVER GOING AWAY -NEVER TO BE REPLACED ) NOT WAXING AWAY _ IT IS REMAINING IN EFFECT

 

[jgr]

As I said this matter seems to be too difficult for you to understand
The covenant that you keep describing is the covenant with Moses which came after
The covenant with Abraham is not about circumcision or any other matter you guys keep bringing up it is simply God declaring what he will do WITHOUT ANY CRITERIA or Requirements put upon men - it is UNCONDITIONAL _ NO CONDITIONS

I don't see the word Moses or Mosaic or Mosey or Mosial or Mosish in the verses I quoted. Is there another variant I should be looking for?

 

[seventysevens]

I don't see the word Moses or Mosaic or Mosey or Mosial or Mosish in the verses I quoted. Is there another variant I should be looking for?

Why are you playing this game you know exactly what I am referring to - your long posts that you make about how the "new will and testament replacing the old will and testament"
that you have used a multitude of times to support your claims of replacement theology and your argument against two of peoples of God nonsense ,,,
The covenant that you keep describing is the covenant with Moses which came after


The covenant with Abraham is not about circumcision or any other matter you guys keep bringing up it is simply God declaring what he will do WITHOUT ANY CRITERIA or Requirements put upon men - it is UNCONDITIONAL _ NO CONDITIONS
IT IS EVERLASTING ETERNAL NEVER GOING AWAY -NEVER TO BE REPLACED ) NOT WAXING AWAY _ IT IS REMAINING IN EFFECT

 

[jgr]

The covenant that you keep describing is the covenant with Moses which came after

I quoted from Genesis 22:18. Moses doesn't appear until Exodus 2:10. Genesis 22:18 refers to Abraham.

 

[seventysevens]

I quoted from Genesis 22:18. Moses doesn't appear until Exodus 2:10. Genesis 22:18 refers to Abraham.

Are you admitting that --- your long posts that you make about how the "new will and testament replacing the old will and testament"

does not apply to the covenant that God made with Abraham ?

 

[jgr]

Are you admitting that --- your long posts that you make about how the "new will and testament replacing the old will and testament"

does not apply to the covenant that God made with Abraham ?

What long posts are you talking about? This is about Genesis 22:18 referring to Abraham.

 

[seventysevens]

What long posts are you talking about? This is about Genesis 22:18 referring to Abraham.

So you are saying that you have no idea of the long posts that you have made many times through the past months where you go into talking about the legalities of writing a will and replacing it with a new will which renders the old will and testament OBSOLETE ?
You have made that claim many times to support your claim against two peoples of God theory , you have several times made this claim

 

[jgr]

So you are saying that you have no idea of the long posts that you have made many times through the past months where you go into talking about the legalities of writing a will and replacing it with a new will which renders the old will and testament OBSOLETE ?
You have made that claim many times to support your claim against two peoples of God theory , you have several times made this claim

I've never cited Genesis 22:18 in any long post. Genesis 22:18 refers to Abraham.

 

[seventysevens]

Then God will have to repent for all of the disbelieving and disobedient decedents that He slew, because He must have neglected to take their DNA into account.

You have made the claim multiples of times that there are no different plans of God for Israel/Jews than any plans for any Christians
you have stated many times that there are no difference between Jew and Christian , you repeatedly bring up DNA to support this claim saying that everyone is a Jew unknowingly so ,
You have relentlessly spoke against the 2 peoples of God - you have continually posted that the old will and testament is obsolete to support your claim that there is no promises to Jews that are not given to Christian and the list goes on as to how you have presented your claim
ALL of those posts are in defense to say there are no difference between Christian and Jews and several people have pointed out that your claim is not valid because of the promise God made to Abraham

The promise that God made to Abraham is not based on any conditions of any kind

 

[seventysevens]

You are now refusing to acknowledge all the times you made claims that the old will and testament have been made obsolete in the new will and testament are your support against there being Jews and Christians both being peoples of God \
You just don't want to admit that you are wrong and make mistakes in this matter

 

[BABerean2]

You are now refusing to acknowledge all the times you made claims that the old will and testament have been made obsolete in the new will and testament are your support against there being Jews and Christians both being peoples of God \

Your attempt to defend the Two Peoples of God doctrine comes to pieces when we actually look at what the Bible says.

Like all false doctrines it is revealed by the scripture that must be ignored to make it work.

In the verse below Jesus said there is only one people of God.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The fulfillment of the most important genealogy in the Bible is found in the first verse of the New Testament.

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


This fact is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16-29, where Paul reveals the purpose of the Abrahamic Covenant.
Galatians 3:16 kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine.
In that verse Paul reveals that the promise made to Abraham was not made to the plural "many seeds", but instead to the "one", who is Christ.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(The promise to Abraham was made to only one "seed", who is Christ.)

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (The Mosaic Covenant was made 430 years after the promise made to Abraham and did not annual the promise made to Abraham.)

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. (The promise to Abraham is not effected by the Mosaic Covenant.)

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(The Mosaic Covenant's purpose was to reveal sin.)

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
(Those who have faith in Christ are the children of God. See Romans 9:6, Romans 9:8)

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
(There is no distinction between those who belong to Christ, in the eyes of God.)

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(I am Abraham's seed and inherit the promise, through faith in Christ.)

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and is specifically applied to the church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, the whole Two Peoples of God doctrine comes apart and turns into a vapor.


The New Covenant: Bob George

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[seventysevens]

Your attempt to defend the Two Peoples of God doctrine comes to pieces when we actually look at what the Bible says.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (The Mosaic Covenant was made 430 years after the promise made to Abraham and did not annual the promise made to Abraham.)

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. (The promise to Abraham is not effected by the Mosaic Covenant.)

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(The Mosaic Covenant's purpose was to reveal sin.)
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Your ridiculous nonsense of Replacement Theology requires ignoring the COVENANT God made to Abraham that HAS NO REQUIREMENTS OF ANY KIND -IT HAS NO CRITERIA for men to do or fulfill NOTHING AT ALL
YOUR AGENDA IS ONLY TO REFUSE THAT THERE ARE ANY PROMISES MADE TO ISRAEL THAT CONTINUE !

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,

17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies,
18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

IT IS NOT about circumcision
It IS NOT about MOSAIC COVENANT that came much later which YOU ARE FORCING YOUR VIEWS ON IT
You are making the error of pushing your view on scripture to twist into saying what you want it to say
You may as well take the word seed offering and twist that scripture as well - or twist the meaning of the seed that fell on 4 types of soil and make it say what you want it to

Your folly of the notion of Replacement Theology requires that the curses that are laid on Israel for disobedience be placed on the Christian church which is absolute rubbish just as your doctrine is bunk
You cannot answer why Israel is the location that Jesus will return to and establish His Kingdom - you do not accept Jesus reigns on earth in His Kingdom which is more bunk you force on scripture
You cannot answer WHY JERUSALEM is reborn in this day nor can you answer WHY JERUSALEM will be the ETERNAL city that comes down out of Heaven

It is because of the covenant God has with Abraham
IT IS the Mosaic covenant that is referenced in Galatians
Mosaic covenant Came afterward and put additional conditions on the covenant made with Abraham
It is the Mosaic covenant that is being replaced --NOT the Covenant made to Abraham