Are Protestants dead?

[BNR32FAN]

Where does it say explicitly that they are all God? According to the Bible, we have God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. We cannot say God the Son and God the Spirit.



Are we Gods then because the Spirit is within us?

Jesus said to only worship God and yet He allowed people to worship Him and did not rebuke them.

 

[W2L]

The word YOU in that passage is not you. Jesus was talking to the apostles.

What about this scripture?

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, [a]you abide in Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What about this scripture?

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, [a]you abide in Him.

Yes that is directed at anyone who reads it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And we Catholics agree with that. It was the Protestant Martin Luther who wanted to remove books like Revelation, and the Book of James.

Furthermore, we also have the Old Testament as insipired writing.

Then Luke, Hebrews, and Jude are not inspired writings?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you are.

Two persons can be one God - it is GOD we are talking about.
Is it possible for one man to be a father and a son? Or a father, a son and a brother?
Is it possible for you to have a body, a mind and a spirit?
Is it possible for H2O (water) to exist in 3 forms - liquid, ice and steam - and still be one substance?
Is it possible for a musical chord to have 3 separate notes and yet still be one unified sound?

Obviously those aren't perfect analogies, I'm just trying to show the concept of 3 in 1.
Scripture teaches that there is a Father, a Son and a Holy Spirit, and that all are God.
If the Father isn't God, Jesus was lying because he always spoke of God his Father.
If Jesus isn't God, the Jews were mistaken when they crucified him for blasphemy, Thomas was wrong to call him "My Lord and my God" and when Jesus and the apostles said that he had existed from the foundations of the world, they were all wrong too. What's more, Jesus couldn't be our Saviour because he was only a man.
If the Spirit isn't God, then the OT is wrong to call him the Spirit of God and says that he was with the Father at the beginning of creation. What's more, it means that we do not have GOD living inside us - when Jesus and Paul talked about the Spirit of God living in us, they were both mistaken.

You are speaking from a human perspective as if you know the limitations of God better than the inspired men who wrote the Bible.

Sorry I did it again. Replied to the wrong person lol.

 

[BNR32FAN]

OK. So you think all His words spoken to men of His time and apostles are not applicable to us now?

No I was merely pointing out that context is important in understanding what is written and why it was said.

 

[thecolorsblend]

It does make me think about the possibility but the thing that worries me about it personally is suppose I did begin to believe in purgatory and that I must pay for my sins in the afterlife.

You have made remarks similar to this one a few times now, even after being corrected that Our Lord is the one saving and redeeming the souls in Purgatory. That is the Catholic understanding of Purgatory.

In light of that, why do you persist in mischaracterizing this doctrine?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You have made remarks similar to this one a few times now, even after being corrected that Our Lord is the one saving and redeeming the souls in Purgatory. That is the Catholic understanding of Purgatory.

In light of that, why do you persist in mischaracterizing this doctrine?

I showed you from the catechism that the doctrine of purgatory is about forgiveness of sin. I refuse to believe that Jesus’ sacrifice did not pay for all our sins.

 

[Righttruth]

Jesus said to only worship God and yet He allowed people to worship Him and did not rebuke them.

Nothing wrong if we worshiped Him as the Son of God

 

[Righttruth]

No I was merely pointing out that context is important in understanding what is written and why it was said.

Yes, and also to whom it was written and who wrote it, etc.

 

[BukiRob]

And we Catholics agree with that. It was the Protestant Martin Luther who wanted to remove books like Revelation, and the Book of James.

Furthermore, we also have the Old Testament as insipired writing.

1. When our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said, ``Repent'' (Mt 4:17), he willed the entire life of believers to be one of repentance.

In fact, the Book of Revelation is not mentioned once in his 95 point thesis. Nor is the book of James.

Why you bring this up when I am neither Protestant nor Catholic is quite puzzling.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Nothing wrong if we worshiped Him as the Son of God

I won’t argue with that. It’s true that He taught to only worship God but it was usually in contrast to worshiping idols. I don’t know of any scripture that directly addresses this situation.

 

[BukiRob]

Where did Jesus claim that He was also God?

4Then Jesus, knowing all that would happen to him, came forward and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” 5They answered him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I am he.”a Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them. 6When Jesus said to them, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” 65Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy.

Mark is even more clear:
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need?

To a Jewish Pharisee the use of I AM was to declare yourself as G-d, hence the statement by the High priest who accuses Yeshua of blasphemy

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus said in Revelation I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I showed you from the catechism that the doctrine of purgatory is about forgiveness of sin. I refuse to believe that Jesus’ sacrifice did not pay for all our sins.

And, again, He is still paying for our sins.

 

[W2L]

Yes that is directed at anyone who reads it.

John 14 can refer to anyone as well.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

 

[Phil 1:21]

6When Jesus said to them, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Could you imagine that scene? A rough, tough mob of people all of sudden hitting the deck like a pile of dominoes at the words of Christ? That had to be a heck of a sight to behold.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And, again, He is still paying for our sins.

No I disagree with that. The payment has already been made in full. All the sins of the world for all time were carried on the cross.

“Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭

 

[thecolorsblend]

No I disagree with that. The payment has already been made in full. All the sins of the world for all time were carried on the cross.

“Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭

A distinction without any relevant difference. Use past, present or future tenses as you wish but the point stands.

 

[BNR32FAN]

A distinction without any relevant difference. Use past, present or future tenses as you wish but the point stands.

Christ had to suffer and die on the cross to pay for our sins. He is not still suffering brother.