Jesus Kept The Law

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The Law and the Christian Pt. 5
VI. Various Usages of “nomoV” in the Pauline Writings

6.1. The True Purpose of the Law


6.1a. Although the ostensive purpose of the Law was as a means of obtaining life (Lev. 18:5), Paul believed the Law had another purpose, a salvation-historical purpose. Paul knew that God knew the Hebrews could not be declared righteous by observance to the Law even though this was theoretically possible. God had another purpose for giving the Law and it was to bring to the Hebrews the knowledge of sin and their sinfulness. The Law would even serve to increase sin in the world. The Law would prepare for Christ, and once it fulfilled it purpose, it would become salvation-historically obsolete.

6.1b. Rom. 3:19-20; 5:12-13; 7:7-8; Gal. 3:19

Paul explains in Rom. 3:19 that the purpose of all scripture is for Jews to conclude that no one can be declared righteous from the works of the Law. Rather, what the Law accomplishes is to define sin, and to bring its violators to where they know themselves as sinners. “diagar vomou epignwsiV amartiaV” (for through law is full knowledge of sin“ -Rom. 3:20) With the Law, sin becomes defined as transgression and it becomes possible and therefore it is possible to have a knowledge of oneself as a sinner. Similarly, in Rom. 5:13, Paul says that where there is no law, there is no sin. Meaning that sin presupposes the Law; in the absence of the Law, there is no sin in the sense of transgression of the Law, although there may be disobedience.

The same idea is expressed in one of the most heated, and debated passages of Romans. In Rom. 7:7-8, Paul says:

“What then shall we say? Is the Law sin? Let it not be! But I did not know sin except through law; for also I did not know lust except the law said You shall not lust. But sin taking occasion through the commandment worked every lust in me; for apart fro law, sin was dead.”

“alla thn amartian ouk egnwn, ei mh dia nomou” Paul here begins to show how sins personified, used the commandment to entrap him. In his viewpoint, sin remains inactive without the Law (cf. Rom. 7:8-9) And says ironically, that with the introduction of the Law, what was intended to bring life brought death. When presented with the Law for the first time, the Hebrews naively assume that they can obey it, However, as stated before, the Law serves to nail a man to his sin, the unexpected result is that man is held in bondage to his sin so that now the Law is passively complicit in producing violations of itself. And this was the Jewish experience with the Law. As soon as he became aware of God’s requirements in the Law, their tendency to sin, defined as transgression of the Law, sprang to life. (cf. Rom. 7:9) For Paul, sin was a power that rules over, and becomes actual in the presence of the Law. Sin requires an external object in order to become actualized and the Law serves this purpose. (cf. Rom. 7:7)

This also appears the inferred meaning in Gal. 3:19a:

“Why, then the law? The transgressions because of it was added”

“ti oun o nomoV; twn parabasewn carin prosteqh” He means that the Law was added because the Jews (and indeed all mankind) are sinners. Paul uses a divine passive in this passage, so that it is God who added the Law because of transgressions. Paul does not explain in which sense the Law was added because of transgressions, but he does write: “until the seed comes to whom it was promised”. (Gal. 3:19b) This implies that one reason why the Law was added was in order to prepare for the coming of Christ, the “seed”. (cf. Gal. 3:16) Why the existence of transgressions required that the Law be made manifest is not stated. But with little doubt we can say that for Paul, the Law functioned to bring sin to light, so that they would see the need to be declared righteous apart from their own efforts or “works of the Law“. (cf. Gal.3:22-23; Rom. 3:20; 4:15; 5:13, 20; 7:7-8)[1] It is also probable that a view held by Paul is that the Law was added to define sin as sin and thereby functioned also to bring the sinner into condemnation and thusly prepare them to receive the righteousness of God.”

Many say that without the Law, as far as Gentiles are concerned, there would still be “conscious” (what Paul referred to as the “law written on the heart” [Rom. 2:15]), however, conscious does not function in the same manner as the Law because conscious can be defiled and even “seared”. (cf. 1 Cor. 8:7; 1 Tim. 4:2; Titus 1:15) Dictums of conscious are thusly liable to being rendered ineffectual, either in part, or wholly. Unlike the conscious, the Law is experienced as existing independently of the one who is subject to it, and not susceptible to perversion. The introduction of the Law has the effect of bringing into existence sin as being defined as violation of divinely -given commandment. It is also possible that Paul means that the Law was added in order to produce transgressions (cf. Rom. 5:2). This would also have the desired effect of preparing the Jew to receive the righteousness of God insofar as the more transgressions a Jew has, the less inclined they would be to deny their need of the righteousness of God.

6.2. Rom. 5:20

Paul says:

“…that might abound the offense”

“But that the Law was added in order that transgressions may increase.” Not only does the Law supply a knowledge of sin, but it even increases sin by inciting those who to whom the Law was given to sin. In other words, the Law provided the Hebrews with opportunities to transgress that which formerly were not envisioned. And, as he later explains, the Law functions to generate sin because it provides the Hebrews something to rebel against.

6.3. The Salvation-Historical Role of the Law

Positively, the Law was given at a time in the working out of God’s purpose to declare to the Hebrews (and later the Gentiles) righteousness by faith and not by works. Paul explains this role in both Romans and Galatians.

6.3a. Gal. 3:15-22

Paul elaborates by speaking about the Covenant made with Abraham. The Law came four hundred and thirty years after the Covenant, but yet, does not nullify it (cf. Gal. 3:17). Paul uses the Greek word “diaqhkhn” or “dee-ath-ay-kay”. And means:

“a testamentary disposition, will, a covenant, Heb. 9:16-17; Gal.3:15; in the N.T., a covenant of God with men, Gal. 3:17; 4:24; Heb. 9:4; Mt. 26:28, et. Al.; the writings of the old covenant”[2]

The idea being conveyed here is one of a last will and testament. When a person makes a will, it is unbreakable and no one can change or nullify it. And in fact, Paul is comparing the Covenant God made with Abraham with a last will and testament in that they both cannot be nullified, are unchangeable, and is unbreakable and Paul also refers to the promise and promises given to Abraham. In Genesis, Abraham is promised land, and progeny, and that all nations would be blessed in him. Paul again refers to Abraham and probably uses as a comparison, the promise of land against salvation .The promise of the reception of land becomes the promise of the reception of the Holy Spirit (cf. Gal. 3:14) and being declared righteous by faith (Gal.3:22) both of which Paul identifies as promises to Abraham. So that in the Gentile view, it is probable that the promise of land, has become the promise of salvation, because salvation comes as a result of being declared righteous and being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. (cf. Rom. 8:11)

At any rate, however you view it, Paul’s point is that the promise of eternal life was unconditional, and was so in the time of Abraham. It does not, therefore, become conditional when the Law is given some four hundred and thirty years later. As Paul puts it, the inheritance is not from Law “ek nomoV,” but from promise “ex apaggeliaV”. He presents Law and promise as two mutually exclusive means of receiving the inheritance. The Law only has a function in the realization of the promise.[3]

6.3b. Rom. 10:4

Here is another of the hotly debated verses in the Pauline studies.[4] “teloV gar nomou CristoV” (Christ is the end of the law). It should be noted that some scholars translate “teloV” as “goal” while others translate it as “end”. The New Analytical Greek Lexicon defines “teloV” as: “full performance, perfect discharge”.[5] And that the ultimate meaning is that in ninety-nine percent of all contexts where it is used, whatever is being addressed, has been already attained, discharged, fulfilled, come to an end. Gerhard Delling advocates “cessation” saying:

“For the believer, the Law is set aside as a way of salvation by the Christ event - CristoV means especially the crucifixion and resurrection, Rom. 7:4; 10:4”[6]

One of the dominate views in Christianity, especially among Lutheran circles is that Christ is the end of the Law in the sense that it has been abolished for the believer. In other words, the Mosaic Law is not binding upon the believer since Christ is the end of the law. This belief must be guarded closely as it can lead down the path towards antinominianism (lawlessness).

Another view similar in nature is the view that the Law has come to an end as a way of salvation. Righteousness in the O.T. era was via the Law, however, now because of the Christ event, a right standing before God is no longer based on the Law. This idea has merit, however, it does not take into account the Apostolic Councils ruling in Acts 15, and the fact that some of the Law still applies to Jewish believers.
And there are numerous others such as: Christ is the end of the Ceremonial Law.[7] The Exclusivity of the Law is set aside.[8] Christ is the Goal of the Law.[9] Christ is Both the End and Goal of the Law.[10] Then there is the view that this passage of Romans is one among 3 chapters of Romans that are addressed specifically to a Jewish audience possibly in Rome.[11]

According to Strongs Concordance, “teloV” is used some forty-one times in the New Testament. Of these, it is rendered as “end” in thirty-five of these. Robert Badenas’ claim that “teloV”must be translated teleologically in Rom 10:4 is debatable,[12]for-whatever one makes of the term outside the NT-in the Pauline corpus and the rest of the NT the semantic range of the word is used more commonly with a temporal rather than a teleological meaning. Curiously even Badenas' own summary of Pauline usage could be interpreted to support such a conclusion:[13] (1) twice the word means "fully" or "completely" (2 Cor 1:13; 1 Thess 2:16); (2) three times it denotes "the eschatological end" (1 Cor 1:8; 10:11; 15:24); (3) twice "final destiny" (2 Cor. 11:15; Phil 3:19); and (4) five times it is teleological (Rom 6:21-22; 10:4; 2 Cor 3:13; 1 Tim. 1:5). It should be observed that the first three categories above match the semantic range of "end" more than they do "goal." It cannot be denied that the range of “teloV”is dynamic, and thus it does not always refer to a temporal end. But Badenas' claim that the translation "goal" is lexically required in Rom 10:4 is at least debatable even from his own presentation of the evidence.

Therefore, based on the context of Romans 10, it is best to adopt the view that what Paul is trying to communicate is that in what the Law tried to do, establish a right standing before God, has come to an end. Based on context, it is also possible that Paul was referring to Jewish believers because in verse 3 he says:

“For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”

The logical relationship between verse 3 and 4 is the primary support for this view. The assertion the “Christ is the end of the law” is not merely an abstract theological proposition which Paul inserted. Instead, support comes from the Greek word “gar”. In this instance, “gar” is used as conjunction connecting the previous train of thought with the next. The main argument here is that the Jews “have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.” It should be understood that the Jews are ignorant of the divine activity of God by which He declares all those who trust in Him to be righteous. There are two participles in verse 3 that are casual: “agnoounteV” and “zhtounteV”. They explain why the Jews did not submit themselves to the “righteousness of God”. and also, it explains the “because”. Because they were ignorant of God’s righteousness, and because they went about trying to establish their own righteousness.

A parallel verse, Rom. 9:32, informs the reader that Israel failed to attain righteousness via the Law because they sought to attain it “as from works” instead from faith. Since “erga” in Paul, refers to “works” in the general sense, it cannot be restricted to only part of the Law, and since Paul does not mention other matters like circumcision, the dietary laws, etc., it is fair to say that Paul is saying that the Jews thought they could attain righteousness by doing what is prescribed by the Law.

In summary, it seems that the main problem with interpreting Rom. 10:4 is that scholars and laymen are trying to support their whole understanding of the Law and the gospel on the basis of this text. Whether Christ is the “goal” or the “end” the debates will never cease. But the particular problem Paul is encountering is a tendency to misuse the Law in an effort to establish ones righteousness. And that being the case, it is true that Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness.

6.4. The Law and its Relation to the Believer as a Moral Standard in Paul

In Paul’s view, it is clear that no one can be declared righteous by obedience to the Law, but this raises the question of whether, even it cannot be, whether the Law remains a moral standard for Jewish believers and should it become such a standard for Gentile believers. This is a most controversial topic, and one that should not be taken lightly. In the Second-Temple Jewish thought, a condition remaining of the covenant was obedience to the Law. Evidence has already been produced earlier that according to Rabbinic teachings, obedience to the Law was believed. There is also evidence that Jews, Pharisaic and otherwise, saw the Law as an expression of the will of God, obeyed out of a love for God, even though obedience to the Law was also a condition of participation in eschatological salvation. The question is, whether or not Paul saw obedience to the Law as an expression of love for God. Unfortunately, due to the very nature of Paul’s letters, we cannot get a clear presentation of his views.

6.4a. Paul’s rejection of the Law

It is clear that Paul explicitly rejects at least certain parts of the Law, in particular, circumcision, the dietary laws, and the Jewish Festival calendar.

6.4.1a. Circumcision

In Gal. 5:2-4, Paul says:

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Paul says here that if a man allows himself to be circumcised, Christ will be of no use to him; ritual circumcision as described in the book of Genesis, and as described in Lev. 12:2-3; Ex. 12:44-48 is what Paul is referring to here. According to Paul, this is the first step towards obedience to the whole Law, performed for the purpose of being declared righteous thereby,[14] or just for the simple reason that the Law says one has to. For Paul, once this step is taken, one cannot appropriate by faith the righteousness that comes by faith which originates in God as a gift, which is how Christ becomes of use to him. The two are mutually exclusive options. And they cannot be combined as Paul’s adversaries, the Judaizers, advocated. As Paul says, you who are striving to be declared righteous by the law, end up alienating yourselves from Christ, you have fallen from grace. One could argue that Gentiles could submit themselves to circumcision as a way of showing love for God, but Paul emphatically rejects this notion citing that obedience to one commandment commits one to obedience to the other commandments as a condition of being declared righteous. Certainly, what Paul says applies foremost to Gentiles, who are not circumcised, were not given the laws regarding ritual circumcision, but also applies to the Jews as well for the Jews cannot be declared righteous from works of the Law any more than Gentiles can. Paul rebukes saying: “In Christ, circumcision and uncircumcision are nothing” (cf. Gal.5:6), which implies that there is no longer any need for circumcision, and if so, it should not be practiced among the Gentiles and, presumably also by the Jews. (cf. 1 Cor. 7:19)

6.4.1b. Dietary Laws and the Jewish Festival Calendar

Paul rejects the validity of the Jewish festival calendar, remarkably, because for him, all days, months, and years are alike. (cf. Rom. 14:5-6) Likewise, he views the Jewish dietary laws as no longer binding. And if it isn’t clear, it certainly is in Col. 2:16-17:

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holiday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: Which are shadows of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

When Paul says these things are “shadows,” Paul means that their validity has ceased because they have been replaced salvation-historically by a greater reality (cf. Gal. 4:10-11; Heb. 8:5; 10, In Platonism, "shadow" is set in contrast to "form" “eikon” in order to distinguish the material world from the world of forms and (see Rep. 7.514A-517A; Crat. 439A). In Platonic thought the material world exists insofar as matter participates in the immaterial forms; the former are ontologically inferior to the latter and derivative in their being, so that they could be described as "shadows." In Jewish writings in Greek, a similar, but more generalized use of "shadow" occurs, but now set in contrast to the term "body" “soma” (Philo, De conf. ling. 190; De migr. Abr. 12; Josephus, War 2.28). The "body" is superior to the "shadow" insofar it is the true reality or the original, as opposed to being the less real, mere appearance or copy. Paul contrasts the "shadow," consisting of the dietary laws and Jewish festival calendar, with the "body of Christ," by which he means the true reality consisting of Christ (genitive of apposition or content). The shadows are said to be of "the things that are to come," which, as synonymous with "the body of Christ," refers to fulfillment of eschatological salvation through the work of Christ. In Paul's theology, the dietary laws and Jewish festival calendar have been rendered obsolete, being merely anticipations of the greater reality of Christ.[15]

6.5. Statements that Appear to Indicate Paul rejects the Law as a Moral Standard

It is also clear that if Paul holds to the validity of the Law as a moral standard, he must hold to a reduced type of Law.

6.5a. Rom. 6:14-15

In Rom. 6:14, Paul says:

“…for ye are not under law, but under grace”

“gar este upo nomon alla upo carin” Being under the law, and being under grace are mutually opposites. Cranfield argues that by not being under the Law Paul is referring to not being “under God’s disfavor or condemnation.”[16]

He explains further:

“The fact that ‘upo nomon’ is contrasted with ‘upo carin’ suggests the likelihood that Paul is here thinking not of the Law generally, but of the Law as condemning sinners.”

A parallel to Paul’s affirmation is found in Rom. 8:1: “There is therefore no condemnation for those in Jesus Christ”. Cranfield is certainly correct that, for Paul, to be “under grace” is not to be under the condemnation of the Law, but Paul is hinting at more than just this. The full meaning of Rom. 6:14 becomes clear when interpreted in light of the following verse. Here, Paul asks a rhetorical question: can believers sin because they are not under the law but under grace? Here, it is suggested that Paul is expecting his readers to understand the previous statement (vs. 14) to mean that believers are not under the Law any more as a moral standard; otherwise his opponents wouldn’t have any ground to criticize him as it would naturally lead down the path to antinomianism. Paul’s simple response is not to say that believers cannot sin because they are not under the law, but that sin is no longer possible, since believers are now “slaves to obedience.” (6:16)

6.5b. Rom. 7:1-6

In Rom 7:1-6, Paul says that believers have died to the Law, and now serve God in the new way of the Spirit. These two ways of serving God are mutually exclusive in Paul's understanding. He begins by saying that he is speaking to those who know the Law, by which he seems to mean that he speaks to those who know about the life under the Law as stipulated in the Torah “ginwskousi gar nomou lalw”.[17] This would include Jews obviously, but also gentiles who "know the Law" in the sense of being acquainted with the basic tenets of Judaism. Paul intends to use this knowledge as a means to explicate the situation of the believer, both Jew and gentile. He says that a Jew (or anyone who desires to be obedient to God) has a lifetime obligation to obey the Law: "The Law has authority over a man as long as he is alive" (7:1b). He then compares the situation of the man under the Law to that of a married woman in relation to her legal obligations to her husband. He says that a woman is released from her status as married upon the death of her husband. She can now remarry without being liable to the accusation of being an adulteress (7:2-3).[18]

The principle that Paul seeks to establish with this illustration is that death brings release from legal obligation. Paul then applies this principle to believers: "So that, my brothers, you died to the Law" “wste adeljoi mou, kai umeiV eqanatwqhte tw nomw”(7:4). (In the illustration in 7:2-3, it is the woman's husband who dies not the woman herself; Paul expects his readers to make the necessary interpretive adjustments to make the analogy work.) The dative "to the Law" “tw nomw” is a dative of respect, designed to clarify Paul's use of figurative language: believers "die" with respect to the Law. His point is that the believing Jews no longer have an obligation to obey the Law; similarly, gentile believers have no obligation to put themselves under the Law. The adverbial phrase "through the body of Christ" “dia tou swmatoV tou Cristou” specifies that it was through Christ's body as crucified that believers have died to the Law. (In Rom 6, Paul uses the metaphor of "dying to sin" (6:2) and "dying with Christ (6:3-10) to describe the believer's situation, but there is no indication from the context that dying to the Law should be interpreted in light of these other "dyings.")

The purpose for which a believer dies to the Law is provided in Rom 7:4b: "In order that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead" “eiV to genesqai umaV eterw, tw ek nekrwn egerqenti”. The one who was raised from the dead is, of course, Christ; thus Paul sets being under the Law in opposition to belonging to Christ. Moreover, Paul explains that the reason that a believer has died to the Law is in order to bear fruit to God “ina karpojorhswmen tw qew”. (The purpose clause is probably dependent on "you died.") The phrase "to God" “tw qew” is a dative of advantage: to bear fruit for the benefit or advantage of God. Before their conversion, according to Paul, believers were "in the flesh"; in such a state, the Law only served to produce disobedience by inciting "the passions of sins in the members of our bodies" (7:5). The phrase "passions of sins" is probably a genitive of quality, meaning sinful passions; the use of the plural "sins" implies that concrete acts of disobedience are in view, not sin as a principle of disobedience.

Being in the flesh and the implications of this led to bearing fruit unto death, insofar as death is the penalty of sin. The believer's situation, however, is to be released from the Law, having died to what held him “nuni de kathrghqhmen apo tou nomou, apoqanontoV en w kateicomeqa” (7:6). To be released from the Law is a synonym for having died to the Law that once held the believer (7:4). The Law holds a person, in the sense of keeping him captive, insofar as it functions to make sin known and thereby bring condemnation; in addition, the Law even increases sin. Again, Paul asserts that Jews no longer have an obligation to obey the Law and gentiles are not required to submit themselves to the Law in order to "serve God" (7:6).

Rather, the believer has been released from the Law "with the result that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the letter" “wste douleuein hmaV en kainothti pneumatoV, kai ou palaiothti grammatoV” (7:6). The genitives "new way of the Spirit" and "old way of the letter" are probably genitives of apposition or content, signifying that the "new way" consists of the Spirit and the "old way" consists of the letter, by which Paul means the Law. The believer is not released from serving God, but only from serving God in a particular way: "the old way of the letter." To serve God in the old way of the letter is to serve God by submitting oneself to the Law (see Rom 2:29; 2 Cor 3:6), which Paul considers to be doomed to failure: for Paul to be under the Law is inseparable from being in the flesh. The new way of serving God is by means of the Spirit. It is clear that, for Paul, Law and Spirit are incompatible ways of serving God.

6.5c. Gal. 2:17-19

Paul's Judaizing opponents apparently accused Paul of making Christ "the servant of sin," insofar as Paul taught that gentiles who become Christians do not have to obey the Law.[19] (For example, Paul vociferously rejected the demand that the Galatian believers be circumcised.) This accusation stands behind Paul's rhetorical question: "But if, seeking to be declared righteous in Christ, we ourselves are found to be sinners, then also [does this mean that] Christ is a servant of sin?"


“ei de zhtounteV dikaiwqhnai en Cristw, eureqhuen kai autoi amartwloi, apa CristoV amartiaV diakrnoV” (2:17). His Judaizing opponents would have defined as sin any violation of the Law. This then explains Paul's statement, "We ourselves are found to be sinners." That is to say, Paul proclaimed to his gentile audiences that being declared righteous came apart from the works of the Law ("to be declared righteous in Christ"), so that, in seeking to be declared righteous apart from obedience to the Law, gentiles would be found to be sinners, for they would be Law-breakers, insofar as they had not submit to the Law in its totality, including becoming circumcised. Thus, Paul's gospel allows believers to be "sinners," as defined by the Law, and his opponents cleverly expressed this fact as [Paul's] Christ being a servant or promoter of sin. (The first person plural seems to refer to Paul, his supporters and his gentile converts.) As expected, Paul rejects the charge that he has made Christ into a servant of sin, but his reason for rejecting the accusation may have come as a shock to his Jewish opponents: "For if what I have destroyed these things I build up again, then I establish myself as a transgressor" “ei gar a katelusa tauta palin oikodomw parabathn emauton sunisthmi” (2:18).

Paul's argument is that he (and other Jews who support him and his gentiles converts) cannot be accused of being sinners insofar as they violate the Law because the Law no longer has validity and therefore cannot be violated. This is what he has destroyed. In other words, Paul's counters the charges against him by affirming that the Law is now obsolete. (It must be noted that Paul [and Peter] had violated Jewish dietary laws by eating with gentiles in Antioch.) His opponents' charge could only be true on the assumption that a believer is under the Law as a moral standard; thus only if he rebuilds what he has destroyed, i.e., the Law, could he then be proven to be a Law-breaker. Instead, Paul says that he has "died to the Law, in order that he might live for God" (2:19).

(By his use of the first person "I," Paul doubtless means to be speaking paradigmatically also; the same is true of his use of "I" in Gal 2:18) To die to the Law is to no longer be under the Law as a moral standard; this is the condition of "living for God," which is the new way of serving God (see Rom 7:1-6). Paul also says that this dying to the Law occurs "through the Law" “dia nomw”, by which he means because of the Law. In other words, he attributes a salvation-historical role to the Law as leading to Christ and its own obsolescence (see 3:19-25).[20]

6.5d. Gal 3:23-25; 4:1-7

Paul describes the Law as having a temporary function in God's plan of salvation; the Law was added 430 years after the promise to Abraham (see 3:17). During this period of time the Law functioned metaphorically as a “paidagwgoV” (guardian or disciplinarian) to bring "us" to Christ, in order that "we" may be declared righteous by faith, and adds that now that faith has come, "we" are no longer under the “paidagwgoV”, the Law (3:24-25). The Law did not have the purpose of being the means of obtaining salvation. Paul likens being under the Law to being in custody, until the possibility of being declared righteous by faith becomes possible (3:23). The role of a “paidagwgoV” was typically filled by a slave who was assigned to accompany a child to and from school and ensure that he was safe from harm and well-mannered (see Plato, Lysis, 208 C-D); they had a reputation for harshness.[21]

Thus, to compare the Law to a “paidagwgoV” would carry with it certain negative connotations. In his use of the metaphor of the “paidagwgoV”, Paul seems to make two points. First, for him to be under the Law is to exist under the authority and guardianship of the Law; possibly he has the external restrictiveness of the Law in view. Even though elsewhere in his writings Paul explains that the Law has the negative result of inciting sin, in Gal 3:19 the Law has a more positive role of imposing discipline on those under it, just as a “paidagwgoV” imposes discipline on his young charge. Paul explains that the ultimate purpose of being under the discipline of the Law is "in order that we might be declared righteous by faith" (3:24). This implies that the Law as “paidagwgoV” serves to lead a Jew to the realization of his inherent inability to obtain righteousness by doing the Law. Second, Paul uses the metaphor of the “paidagwgoV” to communicate that the state of existence characterized as being under the Law was intended to be temporary and preparatory for faith in Christ.[22] By the phrase "until the coming faith was revealed" “eiV thn uellousan pistin apokalujqhnai” means until faith in Christ became possible historically (see the parallel construction in Rom 8:18). Paul's analogy implies that, with the possibility of faith in Christ, the “paidagwgoV” function performed by the Law is complete, and its validity has ceased: the person who is no longer a minor is longer under the authority of his“paidagwgoV”.[23]

In Gal 4:1-7, Paul explains that to be under the Law is to be like a minor, who with respect to his freedom is no better than a slave, even though he is an heir.[24] Paul's point is that anyone who submits to the Law is living without freedom and so is slave-like. He describes the Jewish experience of being under the Law as being enslaved to "the elements of the cosmos" “upo ta stoiceia tou kosmou” (4:3). What he means by the phrase "the elements of the cosmos" in 4:3 is the Law viewed as a salvation-historically elemental and preliminary teaching. (The term ta stoiceia tou kosmou occurs in Gal 4:9; Col 2:8, 20; 2 Pet 3:10-12.)[25]

To be "under the elements of the cosmos" (4:3) is synonymous with being "under the Law" (4:5).[26] In Paul's interpretation, the Law was intended to lead to Christ and be superseded once "the fullness of time" had come (4:4). Paul says that for Jew to be under the Law was to be in a state of bondage, a lack of freedom, which is undesirable. This state was necessary but still intended to be temporary. This is why he chose the metaphor of a minor under the authority of "guardians and managers until the date set by the father" in order to describe the Jewish experience under the Law (4:2). In his view, the Galatians do not recognize that salvation-historically the Law has been superseded: "Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father!'" (4:6). To have the Spirit of Christ in one's heart makes the Law unnecessary and obsolete.

6.5e. Gal. 4:21-31

Using an allegorical interpretation of the figures of Hagar and Sarah (see Gal 4:24a: "These things have an allegorical meaning" “atina estin allhgoromrna”, Paul contrasts two covenants; the implication is that one is superior to and has superseded the other. His aim is to convince the Galatian believers not to submit to the Law as a condition of being declared righteous. To this end, he compares the Mosaic covenant to the slave woman Hagar, whose son was born "according to the flesh" “kata sarka”, by which he means in ordinary fashion, and another covenant (implicitly, the "new covenant" [see 2 Cor 3:6]) to Sarah, the free woman, whose son is born "through promise" “dia thV epaggeliaV”. Hagar is also identified with Mount Sinai corresponding to Jerusalem, representing (unbelieving) Jews, who, by implication, are in slavery to the Law, since their "mother" was a slave. (It was on Mount Sinai that Moses received the Law.) To this Jerusalem is contrasted "the Jerusalem above" representing believers, those who are free from the Law, symbolized by Sarah.
Paul uses the eschatological notion of the heavenly Jerusalem to be revealed at the end in a novel way to express the difference between (unbelieving) Jews and believers; the implicit superiority of "the Jerusalem above" is exploited by Paul to express the superiority of the (new) covenant represented by Sarah (On the idea of a heavenly and/or new Jerusalem, see 1 En 90:28-29; 2 Bar 4:1-7; 4 Ezra 7:26; 8:52; 10:26-27; 13.36; see also T. Dan 5:12; Sib. Or. 5.420-33; 5Q15 [5QNew Jerusalem]; Heb 12:22; 13:14; Rev 3:12; 21:2; 21:9-22:5). Paul writes, "And she is our mother" (4:25), by which he means that Sarah (symbolizing the Jerusalem above) represents the new covenant of which believers are metaphorically "sons," just as Isaac was literally the son of Sarah. It is clear from this allegorical contrast between the two women and their sons that Paul believes that the status of believers to be one of freedom from the Law, since Sarah is the free woman and Isaac is the son of a free woman. Paul then cites Isa 54:1, an eschatological passage, but interprets the barren woman of the prophecy as referring to Sarah (as opposed to Israel in exile, the intended meaning) and then allegorically to believers, who are sons of promise.

His point is that Sarah, once barren, is now the "mother" of many children, representing believers, including gentiles. The implication is that Sarah eschatologically has become the mother of believers "now that faith has come" (Gal 3:23). In Gal 4:28-31, Paul then focuses on the two sons born of the two women, Hagar and Sarah. He is referring to the fact that Issac was born miraculously as the result of God's promise to Abraham that he would have a heir through Sarah, whereas Ishmael was not born miraculously.

Paul no doubt is comparing believers who are indwelt by the Spirit to Jews who are defined as such by means of their physical birth and literal circumcision ("flesh"). In other words, Ishmael represents Judaism, which is now rejected, just as Ishmael was sent away (Gen 21:10). It is clear that, for Paul, to be under the Law is incompatible with being indwelt by the Spirit.[27]

6.5f. Gal. 5:1, 13, 18

Paul says that the situation of the believer is that of freedom (from the Law) meaning that the Law is not the moral standard according to which a believers lives. He writes, "It is for freedom that Christ has set you free" “th eleuqeria oun h CristoV hmaV hleuqerwse” (5:1)[28] and "For you were called to freedom" “UmeiV gar ep eleqeria eklhte” (5:13). Paul also says to the Galatians that if they are led by the Spirit, they are not under the Law “ouk este upo nomon”, so that he is contrasting Spirit and Law as two mutually exclusive modes of being. Not to be under the Law is not be obliged to obey the Law, not even part of the Law.

6.5g. 1 Cor. 9:20-21; 10:23-24

Paul explains that, although he is not under the Law, he lives as if he were under the Law in order to win Jews to Christ. By not being under the Law, Paul no doubt means that he is no longer obligated to obey the Law, that the Law no longer serves as a moral standard. In addition, the Corinthians are probably quoting back to Paul a dictum that they heard from Paul or at least derived from Paul's teaching: "All things are lawful for me." Paul does not dispute the truth of this principle, only the Corinthians' misapplication of it, as a license for sin.

6.6. Statements Suggesting the Abiding Validity of at least Parts of the Law.

There are numerous statements in Paul's writings that seem to affirm that the Law or at least a reduced Law serves as an eternal moral standard to which all human beings, including believers, are subject. It is suggestive that Paul cites the Law in order to deal with the question of whether the apostles should be supported financially, implying that it has authority in the Corinthian church (1 Cor 9:9 = Deut 25:4; see also 1 Cor 14:34 = "as the nomoV says").[29] The interpreter must be able to make sense of this collection of passages in light of Paul's apparent rejection of the Law as a moral standard for Jewish and gentile believers.

6.6a. Rom. 2:14-15

As already indicated, Paul says that gentiles have the Law written on their hearts by which they will be judged. Although they do not have the Mosaic Law, Paul says that gentiles still "do by nature the things of the Law" (phusei ta tou nomou poiosin), by which Paul means that gentile moral theory and practice naturally inevitably conforms, in part, at least, to the Mosaic Law. (This innate Law is probably identical to the law of reciprocity.) At any rate, the implication is that the law written on the heart is a universal moral standard for human beings. Paul must be thinking, however, about a reduced Law, since it is obvious that not all the commandments are written on the hearts of Gentiles.

6.6b. Rom. 3:31

Paul anticipates an objection against his position in Rom 3:31, namely that his stress on being declared righteous from faith and not from works implies that he has destroyed the Law: “Have we therefore destroyed the Law through faith. The two verbs “we destroy” “katargoumen” and “we establish” “histanomen” are intended as opposites. When he refers to the Law, Paul probably means the Law understood as the expression of the will of God for human beings, as the context suggests (see 3:20 “works of the Law”). Paul’s response to the accusation that his view on being declared righteous destroys the Law is to say that he denies the validity of the Law as a moral standard (see 8:2-4). Rather, his view upholds the Law as a moral standard. Paul, however, does not elaborate on this statement at this time.

6.6c. Rom. 7:12, 14

In the context of the statement of his inability to keep the Law Paul says that the Law is "holy" “hagioV” and the commandment is "holy, righteous and good" “hagia, dikaia, agatha” (7:12) and that the Law is spiritual “pneumatikos” (7:14), by which he may mean compatible with the Spirit. To refer to the Jewish Law by such felicitous terms as these may be taken to imply that Law is a universal moral standard. In general, Paul's lament about not being to keep the Law in Rom 7 implies that he sees the Law as applicable to all human beings, including believers (see 7:7).

6.6d. Rom 8:2-4

Paul says that the causal principle (lit. "law") of the Spirit of life (i.e., consisting of the Spirit that leads to life, a genitive of direction or purpose) has liberated one from the causal principle of sin and death (i.e., characterized by sin and leading to death). The Law could not produce life, because it was "weakened" by the flesh, meaning that the sinful nature prevented one from keeping the Law. Instead, Paul explains that God sent his own son in the likeness of sinful humanity "for sin" “peri hamartiaV“, by which he means because of sin or in order to be the solution for human sin. God condemned sin in the flesh, that is, Christ's human nature, in the sense that God provided his son as a substitutional sacrifice for sinners. The purpose of this redemption act is "in order that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, those who live not according to the flesh but the Spirit." This could be taken to mean that the one who lives according to the Spirit does what the Law requires, that is, becomes righteous by obeying the Law—the righteousness consisting of (obedience to) the Law's stipulations. This could be taken to imply that the Law remains binding on the believer as a moral standard.

6.6e. Rom. 13:8-9; Gal. 5:13-14; 5:6b

In two different passages, Paul says that a believer is obligated to love “agapan” and that love “agape” fulfills the Law. It would follow from this equation of love and fulfilling the Law that a believer has an obligation to obey the Law: love and Law are convertible.[30] In other words there is one commandment expressive of all other commandments to which a believer is subject.[31]

In Rom 13:8-9, Paul instructs his readers not to owe anything to anyone, except the ongoing obligation to love one another “ei hm to agapan allhlouV”. (By "one another" “allhlouV” Paul no doubt means all human beings, rather than fellow believers.) Paul then affirms, "For he who loves the other has fulfilled the Law" “o gar agapwn tou eteron nomon peplhrwke”. (There has been some dispute concerning whether "other" is used substantively ("the other") and thus as the object of the verb "to love" or whether it is used as an adjective modifying "law." If the latter, then Paul is not referring to the Jewish Law, but another law [perhaps "the law of Christ" in Gal 6:2]. It seems more probable that the former option is the correct one, for Paul quotes from the Jewish Law in the very next verse; the implication is that these specific commandments are part of the Law that is fulfilled by the one who loves "the other.") The definite article before "other" has generalizing effect. Paul then quotes from four of the ten commandments—"Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not covet" (13:9)—and then affirms that these and "and any other commandment" are summed up by one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Lev 19:18). To love one's neighbor is defined in part as not doing evil towards one's neighbor “agaph tw plhsion kakon ouk ergazetai” (13:10a). Summing up his position, Paul says, "Love is the fulfillment of the Law" “plhrwma oun nomou h agaph” (13:10b). Insofar as, for Paul, love is convertible with fulfilling the Law and love is an obligation of believers, it could be argued that that believers are obliged to keep the Law. Now Paul may be thinking of a reduced Law, since he only quoted from the so-called moral law; nevertheless he would still be committed to the view that the believer is obliged to keep this reduced Law as a moral standard. (Paul exhorts his churches to love in Rom 12.9; Eph 5.2, 25; Phil 2.1-2; see also Col 1:4, 8; 1 Thess 1:3.)

Paul makes essentially the same point in Gal 5:13-14, and so could be interpreted to be saying that the believer is under the obligation to obey the one commandment that includes all other commandments. Paul warns the Galatians believers that they should not use their freedom from the Law as an opportunity to indulge their "flesh" “sarx“. Rather, they should use their freedom to "become one another's servants in love" “dia thV agaphV douleuete allhloiV” (5:13). The phrase "become one another's servants in love" is the functional equivalent of the obligation "to love one another" in Rom 13:8. The adverbial phrase "in love" specifies the means by which one becomes a servant of another: through love or putting the other's interest first. As in Rom 13:8-9, Paul explains, "The whole Law is fulfilled in one word: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'" (Lev 19:18). By his statement that the whole law “ho pas nomoV” Paul must assume a reductionistic view of the Law, for otherwise, if all the commandments are expressions of this one commandment then it would follow that they should be obeyed. So implicit in Paul's statement that the whole Law is fulfilled in the one commandment is the abrogation of any commandment that is not expressive of love. It should also be noted that "to do the whole Law" “olon ton nomou poihsai” (5:3) cannot be equivalent in meaning to "the whole Law is fulfilled" “paV nomoV en eni logw plhroutai” (5:14) Otherwise Paul would be found in blatant contradiction in the same chapter!

6.6f. 1 Cor. 7:19

Paul says that neither circumcision not uncircumcision matters; what does matter is "keeping the commandments of God" “thrhsiV entolwn qeou”. In most other contexts, Paul uses the term "commandment" “entole” to refer to the individual prescriptions and proscriptions found in the Law (see Rom 7:8-13; 13:9; Eph 2:15; 6:2); probably his use of the term in 1 Cor 7:19 has the same meaning. From a Jewish perspective, however, Paul's statement is nonsensical, because circumcision is one of the commandments. Thus, one could interpret Paul's statement to mean that what is required of believers is obedience to a reduced Law, which does not include the commandment of circumcision, but does include other commandments from the Law.

6.6g. Eph. 6:1-3

Paul instructs children to obey their parents and then quotes the Torah to support his view (Deut 5:16); this could be taken to imply that Paul believes that at least this commandment is binding and that the promises attached to its fulfillment is still valid.

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[1] According to Hubner, Paul means in Gal. 3:19 that the Law was added in order to increase sin, so that the phrase is interpreted as a final and not a causal clause. (H. Hubner, Law in Paul’s Thought, [Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1984], p.24-36) The Law was not added because there were transgressions, but in order to produce transgressions. In fact, Hubner argues that Paul believes it was the angels who gave the Law in order that Jews would transgress its commandments. According to Hubner, Paul later adopted a less radical view of the Law, so that the Law is now no longer understood as provoking sin, but merely as the means of knowing and recognizing sin (69-83). Under criticism by the Jerusalem church, he came to the more balanced view that the Law was on the side of God and was for that reason “holy”, “just”, and “good” (cf. Rom. 7:12) and had an important role to play in salvation history, It is probable better to say that Paul does not change his view of the Law but rather stresses the negative aspects of the Law in Galatians precisely because the Gentile believers in the Galatian churches were very close to submitting themselves to the Law as a condition of eschatological salvation. Besides, Paul does say similar things in Rom. 4:15; 5:20; 11:32 to what he says in Gal. 3:19, and Hubner’s attempts to deny this similarity is unconvincing.

[2] The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Wesley J. Perschbacher, Hendrickson Publishing, Peabody, Mass., 01962, Copyright 1990, “diaqhkhn”, p. 91-92

[3] C. Kruse, Paul, the Law and Justification, Leister, UK: Apollos, 1996, p. 89-96

[4] For the history of interpretation see R. Badenas, Christ the End of the Law; Rom. 10:4 in Pauline Perspective (JSNTSup 10; Sheffield: JSOT, 1985) 7-37; J. A. Nestingen, Christ the End of the Law: Romans 10:4 as an Historical-Exegetical-Theological Problem )Ph.D. dissertation, University of Toronto, 1984)

[5] Ibid, p. 405

[6] Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Gerhard Kittel, Editor, Geoffrey W. Bromily, Translator, Erdmans Publishing, Grand Rapids, Mi., Copyright 1964, Reprinted 2006, Vol. VIII, “teloV in the New Testament”, 2, d, “teloV”, p. 56

[7] C. Haufe, “Die Stellung des Paulus zum Gesetz, TLZ, 91, (1966), p.171-78

[8] M. A. Getty, “An Apocalyptic Perspective on Rom. 10:4,” HBT 4-5, 1982-83, 97, 100; “Paul and the Salvation of Israel: A Perspective on Rom. 9-11,” CBQ 50, 1988, 466-67; F. Refoule, “Romains X, 4. Encore Une Fois,” RevBib 91, 1984, 339; J.D.G. Dunn, (WBC; Dallas: Word, 1988, 2:598; F. Watson, Paul, Judaism and the Gentiles: A Sociological Approach,” SNTSMS 56, Cambridge University Press, 1986, 165; van Dulmen, DieTheologie des Gesetzes, 127

[9] D. P. Fuller, Gospel and Law: Contrast or Continuum?, Grand Rapids: Erdmans Publishing, 1980, 84-85; C.T. Rhyne, Faith Establishes the Law, SBLDS 55, Chico: Scholars, 1981, 103-104; L. Gaston, “For all the Believers : The Inclusion of the Gentiles as the Ultimate goal of the Torah in Romans,” Paul and Torah, Vancouver University of British Columbia Press, 1987, 130; just to name a few.

[10] M.A. Seifrid, Paul’s Approach to the Old Testament in Romans 10:6-8,” Trinity Journals, 6, 1985, 7-8; E. J. Schnabel, Law and Wisdom from Ben Sira to Paul: A Tradition Historical Enquiry into the Revelation of Law, Wisdom and Ethics, WUNT, 2, 16; Tubingen: Mohr 1985, 91, F.J. Leenhardt, The Epistle to the Romans, London, Lutterworth, 1961, 266; A. J. Bandstra, The Law and Elements of the World,: An Exegetical Study in the Aspects of Paul’s Teaching, Erdmans, Grand Rapids, Mi., 1964, 105-106; F.F. Bruce, The Epistle of Paul to the Romans, TNTC, Erdmans, Grand Rapids, 1963, 203

[11] “As you continue reading, it is instantly obvious that chapters 9, 10, and 11, have nothing to do with chapters 1-8 or 12-16. Chapters 9-11 are completely unique in their theme, which is the Jewish people” John Hagee, Jerusalem Countdown, p. 145-152; Donald G. Barnhouse introduces the notion of a “parenthesis.” Citing that various passages may be a parenthesis where some content is added that was known earlier, to further emphasize the current context, I/e/: Eph. 1:19-2:1. Donald G. Barnhouse, Romans, Vol. III,

[12] See his word study in Christ the End 38-80. Against Badenas, see Dunn, Romans 2.589.

[13] Badenas, Christ the End, 78-79. We omit the use of“teloV”in Rom 13:7 since it refers to the paying oftaxes.

[14] H. Hubner, Law in Paul’s Thought, p. 36-40

[15] E. Lohse, Colossians and Philemon, Philadelphia, Fortress Press, 1971, 114-117, P. Porkorny, Colossians, Hendrickson Publishing, Peabody, Mass., 1991, 142-145

[16] C. E. B. Cranfield, The Epistle to the Romans, ICC n.s.; 2 Vols.; Edinburgh, T & T Clark, 1975, 1979, 1, 320

[17] B. Young’s interpretation of Rom 7:1-7 is very unconvincing (Paul the Jewish Theologian [Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1997] chap. 6).

[18] F. Stanley Jones, "Freiheit" in den Briefen des Apostels Paulus (GTA 34; Göttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1987) 118-22.

[19] Eckstein, Verheißung und Gesetz, 30-70.

[20] Betz, Galatians, 122.

[21] Bertram, TDNT 5.596-625.

[22] On this topic, see R. N. Longenecker, "The Pedagogical Nature of the Law in Galatians 3.19-4.7," JETS 25 (1982); L. Belleville, "’Under the Law’: Structural Analysis and the Pauline Concept of Law in Galatians 3.21-4.11," JSNT 26 (1986) 53-78; D. J. Lull, "’The Law Was Our Pedagogue’: A Study in Galatians 3:19-25," JBL 105 (1986) 481-98; N. H. Young, "Paidagôgos: The Social Setting of a Pauline Metaphor," NovT 29 (1987) 150-76; A. T. Hanson, "The Origin of Paul’s Use of Paidagôgos for the Law," JSNT 34 (1988) 71-76.

[23] See Betz, Galatians, 175-80; E. Burton, The Epistle to the Galatians (ICC; Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1921) 198-201.

[24] See G. B. Caird, Principalities and Powers: A Study in Pauline Theology (Oxford: Clarendon, 1956); A. J. Bandstra, The Law and the Elements of the World (Kampen: J. H. Kok, 1964) 57-67; George Howard, Paul: Crisis in Galatia (SNTSMS 35; Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1979) 66-71; F. Mußner, Der Galaterbrief (HTKNT 9; Freiburg: Herder, 1974) 293-304.

[25] According to Bandstra, Paul means the same thing by the terms "elements of the cosmos" in 4:3 and "elements" in 4:8 (The Law and the Elements of the World, 57-67). He identifies them as "those elements that are operative within the whole sphere of human activity which is temporary and passing away, beggarly and incompetent in bringing salvation, weak and both open to an defenseless before sin" (55). These operative elements are Law and flesh, the fundamental forces operative in the world.

[26] See Burton, The Epistle to the Galatians, 215-16; 510-18; R. Longenecker, Galatians (WBC; Waco: Word, 1990) 164-66; R. Y. Fung, The Epistle to the Galatians (NICNT; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1988) 181, 188-92; A. Das, Paul and the Jews (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 2003) 151-65.

[27] Contrary to F. Stanley Jones, who interprets freedom to mean freedom from corruptibility, corresponding to the Jerusalem that is above ("Freiheit" in den Briefen des Apostels Paulus, 82-96).

[28] See F. Stanley Jones, "Freiheit" in den Briefen des Apostels Paulus, 96-102.

[29] On this topic, see Sanders, Paul, the Law and the Jewish People, 93-114; Räisänen, Paul and the Law, 62-73; Westerholm, Israel’s Law and the Church’s Faith, 198-218.

[30] See S. Westerholm, Israel’s Law and the Church’s Faith (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1988) 201-205; J. Barclay, Obeying the Truth: A Study of Paul’s Ethics in Galatians (Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1988)125-42; B. Longenecker, The Triumph of Abraham’s God (Nashville: Abingdon, 1998) 83-88; C. Kruse, Paul, the Law and Justification (Leister, UK: Apollos, 1996) 103-4.

[31] It is important to note that Paul’s summarizing of the Law as one commandment (Lev 19:18) is not original to him. R. Hillel, a Pharisee, like Paul, was supposed to have taught that the Torah can be summed up in the injunction: "Whatever is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor" (Sabb 31a in BT). Paul, however, took this summarizing approach to understanding the Law to an extreme to which that no Pharisee could assent.

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Hello 1stcenturylady, how does your reply change what God says? Are you tr



Hello 1stcenturylady,

How does your reply change what God says? Are you saying that PAUL, JAMES AND JOHN all got it wrong? You say CONTEXT but you do not use it when quoting 1 John 3:23 which is talking about SIN (breaking God's LAW and describing the children of God as obedient and the children of the devil as disobedient (1 John 3:3-15).

Now are you really trying to say SIN is not breaking God's 10 Commandments?

Yet PAUL, JAMES AND JOHN all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments and if we break ANY ONE of them we stand before GOD of being guilty of SIN and are "UNDER THE LAW" because we have broken God's LAW (Romans 3:19-20)

Which ever way you want to try and spin it God's WORD is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's Commandments and those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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WHAT IS SIN?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW even quoting the 6th and 7th Commandments from Exodus 20.

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1 JOHN 3:4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

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ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. NO, I HAD NO KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW; FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW SAID, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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ROMANS 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments. Romans 3 CONTEXT is RIGHTEOUSNESS by FAITH or the deeds of the law (10 commandments)

God's Word is in disagreement with you my friend. It is SIN indeed to break ANY one of God's 10 commandments.

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God's Word says SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s connect some of the scriptures…..

Now are you really trying to say SIN is not breaking God's 10 Commandments?

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HINT...

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

The question is which law? The Ten Commandments given on Mt. Sinai? Or the New Testament Law of Liberty given by Jesus, the Seed, the Promised one?

We are not on the same wavelength, my brother.

Read Galatians 4:
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.


Now if you cut and paste the same things I've already answered, I'm going to scream. LOL I love you, but you need to let the New Covenant sink in under that armor you are wearing in your avatar. btw cool avatar!
 
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Well, considering we are saved through Jesus Christ and not Paul, maybe one should view Paul's writings through the lens of what Christ taught and not the other way around.
If you read Christ’s words, you will know that He came for Israel and as the fulfill of the Old Covenant which was made with Israel.

I can list the verses for you if you need them for reference.

What may be important for you to understand is that ONLY AFTER Jesus death and shed blood for the forgiveness of sins take place BECAUSE it is only upon death could Christ’s life entirely be evaluated and it finished as a life lived in perfection and righteousness that did indeed FULFILL the Law in PERFECTLY KEEPING ALL of it.

So knowing this, it is hugely shortsighted to say that Paul’s words are not Christ’s, in that Christ ONLY came for the Jews, just as every apostle, even Paul went FIRST to the Jews as Jesus instructed.

It is only later that Paul became what we know as the apostle to the Gentiles.
 
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If you read Christ’s words, you will know that He came for Israel and as the fulfill of the Old Covenant which was made with Israel.

I can list the verses for you if you need them for reference.

What may be important for you to understand is that ONLY AFTER Jesus death and she’s blood for the forgiveness of sins take place BECAUSE it is only upon death could Christ’s life entirely be evaluated and it finished as a life lived in perfection and righteousness that did indeed FULFILL the Law in PERFECTLY KEEPING ALL of it.

So knowing this, it is hugely shortsighted to say that Paul’s words are not Christ’s, in that Christ ONLY came for the Jews, just as every apostle, even Paul went FIRST to the Jews as Jesus instructed.

It is only later that Paul became what we know as the apostle to the Gentiles.

(small edits needed in your post):wave:
 
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The question is which law? The Ten Commandments given on Mt. Sinai? Or the New Testament Law of Liberty given by Jesus, the Seed, the Promised one?

There is NO question at all dear and what you have posted does not answer or change the meaning of the scriptures posted to you that say specifically that they are all referring to the 10 Commandments.

The verses provided in post # 514 linked CLICK ME; defining what SIN is; state specifically that they are talking about the 10 Commandments by mentioning the commandments from the 10 Commandments.

So you do not need to question God's WORD but BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you to LOVE another. Maybe you need to re-read the post liked in this post again?

PAUL, JAMES AND JOHN all agree that it is SIN to break God's Commandments. I will not re-post again in this post. The question you ask and have not answered has been answered already by James, Paul and John which state specifically that they are all in agreement that they are talking about God's 10 Commandments in the scriptures provided in the linked post.

No where to hide on this one dear. Now are you really trying to say SIN is not breaking God's 10 Commandments and we are all free to lie, steal, murder? Good luck trying to say that to God come judgement day when his WORD tells you what it is talking about.

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God's Word says SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s connect some of the scriptures…..

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Hey DD nice to meet you and welcome.

Some comments for you below.

Problem 1: According to scriptures, days have no name. There is not a name in scriptures for example "Monday".

Problem 2: Show me in scripture where it states that God started the creation on Sunday, completed it Friday, and rested on Saturday.

Months are mentioned in scripture, but there is no mention of "days".

This is true but why should it be a problem for you? The HEBREW calander used the day names as 1-7 for thousands of years. We know what day numbers correspond to our current naming system of week days. Sunday is day 1 through to Saturday being the SEVENTH DAY of God's 4th Commandment. Problem 1-2 solved for you.

Problem 3: According to scriptures, we know Moses was on Mt. Sinai 40 days. You want me to believe it took God or Moses 40 days to take down the Decalogue?

If God says so why would you not believe it? Jesus was also in the wilderness 40 days. in the NT. It is not a problem if you have FAITH which is needed to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. There is no problem here if you have FAITH because without FAITH it is impossible to please God. There is only a problem if you do not have FAITH.

Problem 4: Moses being on Mt. Sinai, we know that he also came down with the "Torah"/"Law".
After destroying them, Moses again receives them only this time they are written by God's own finger. Furthermore, in Deut.4:13, in the Hebrew, God makes it very clear that His covenant, which now combines the Decalogue and the "Torah. So that the 10 commandments and the "Torah" are now one.

The 10 Commandments were written by God both times on the two tables of stone. Moses at Mt Sinai when he was with God 40 days also started writing the BOOK of the COVENANT or the TORAH which together make up the OLD COVENANT (Exodus 31:18; Deut 10:4; Exodus 24:4; 34:1-27). Once again no problem here

Problem 5: It is also clear that some parts of the Torah, Jesus could not fulfill. There were "Laws" that dictated what women could and could not do. Especially during their menstrual cycles. Another is, "When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence." (cf. Deut. 22:8) According to this "Law" all houses were required to have an 18" kneewall to prevent somebody from falling off, dying, bringing blood upon you. Jesus never owned a house.

So Jesus not owning a house is a problem for you why? Why would this be a problem for you if the law does not apply because Jesus never owned a house or Jesus was not a woman? Once again no problem here

Problem 6: Jesus was accused by the scribes and Pharisees of breaking the 4th commandment do performing miracles on the Sabbath. You could make the argument that because Jesus was GOD, He could break the Law since in essence, HE wrote it. But that would be wrong also as Paul tells us that beside Jesus "divinity", He was also a man "born under the Law". (cf Gal. 4:4)

Jesus was not Born "UNDER THE LAW" he was born of a woman made under the law. To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty before God of breaking the law (SIN) see Romans 3:19-20. Jesus never broke God's 4th Commandment otherwise he could never be our perfect sacrifice for our sins and offer his life for ours. The Jews had placed so many man made teachings and traditions around the Sabbath that it had become a burden to the people and it was though man was made for the Sabbath. Jesus came to teach all the true meaning of the Sabbath and that he was the creator of the Sabbath and it was made for all mankind and man was not made for the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28) Once again no problem here

Problem 7: The Parable of the ox. Have you ever worked on a dairy farm? Evidently not, because there is no such thing as a day of rest. A dairy cow absolutely must be milked twice a day, 7 days a week. Which means that every dairy farmer, every worker on that farm, is guilty. Think on that the next time you take a drink of milk. You never know what day that milk was harvested on!

This is NOT a problem if you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Have Faith in God and trust his WORD

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8-11).

There is no problem here if you trust God and have faith.

'Problem 8: SDA's traditionally take such a hard line stance on the 4th commandment that they seem to forget you have voluntarily placed yourself back under the "Law".
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is Caesars". I know he was talking about taxes. But my Caesar, my employer requires me to work on Sunday. A day Baptists like myself have set aside for us to meet and worship. I cannot/will not accept that I am sinning willingly when I am rendering unto Caesar what is Caesars.

This is not true to be "UNDER THE LAW" as shown earlier means to be guilty before God of BREAKING God's LAW. If you break God's LAW you stand guilty before GOD in SIN (Romans 3:19-20; 1 John 3:4). God does not put man above God if your employer asks you to break God's LAW what is higher man or God? It is God that says the wages of SIN is death. Better to go get another job don't you think? There is no problem here if you trust God and have faith.

Problem 9: Jesus took all 613 "Laws" (Decalogue included) and summed them up into two. Love the Lord with every fiber of your being, and love your neighbor as yourself. On this, hang the law and prophets.

This is a problem why? LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of the LAW in those who BELIEVE. We are in the NEW COVENANT now however many of the SHADOWS have now been fulfilled in Him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another (Rom 13:8-10; Col; 2; Heb 8:10-12). There is no problem here if you have faith.

Problem 10: We can't, are unable to even do those two!

No we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. If you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD there is no problem here. There is only a problem if you do not BELIEVE and do not FOLLOW.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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There is NO question at all dear and what you have posted does not answer or change the meaning of the scriptures posted to you that say specifically that they are all referring to the 10 Commandments.

The verses provided in post # 514 linked CLICK ME; defining what SIN is; state specifically that they are talking about the 10 Commandments by mentioning the commandments from the 10 Commandments.

So you do not need to question God's WORD but BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you to LOVE another. Maybe you need to re-read the post liked in this post again?

PAUL, JAMES AND JOHN all agree that it is SIN to break God's Commandments. I will not re-post again in this post. The question you ask and have not answered has been answered already by James, Paul and John which state specifically that they are all in agreement that they are talking about God's 10 Commandments in the scriptures provided in the linked post.

No where to hide on this one dear. Now are you really trying to say SIN is not breaking God's 10 Commandments and we are all free to lie, steal, murder? Good luck trying to say that to God come judgement day when his WORD tells you what it is talking about.

....................

God's Word says SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s connect some of the scriptures…..

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

ROFL You did that just to make me scream! :argh:

The Ten Commandments are easy to keep. THAT'S why you want to believe this. The Law of Liberty has much more difficult commandments to keep as your post in James implies. But take the easy road if you like. I don't blame you.
 
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I sorry you fell victim as do many others from the apostasy in the church, including the schools. It is not you fault you weren't taught true Adventist principles and not creating confusion by becoming accredited and having the teach evolution. God is not at the head this compromise. But don't throw the message out with the miry clay. The movement of Adventism was never meant to become what it did and after the pioneers were gone, satan was more easily able to corrupt the newer generations coming up in the church... through the schools.

As to you question on answered prayer, I have seen God's hands work in mighty, mighty ways in response to prayer. Not always as I would have imagined but always perfect... not always in the time I want but at the right time.
It's very telling what the apostasy is in your post.
 
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ROFL You did that just to make me scream! :argh:

The Ten Commandments are easy to keep. THAT'S why you want to believe this. The Law of Liberty has much more difficult commandments to keep as your post in James implies. But take the easy road if you like. I don't blame you.
I love that point. Law people act like the law is the end all be all, however, as you said well, Jesus commands are harder as they include the higher spiritual aspects of the law, besides including the law.
 
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Where does it say in God's WORD, that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now Commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. I can give you a hint if you like?
You've been repeatedly told and toss it out.
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HINT...

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
(hint) John 15:10 and 1 John 3:23
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
You have a very real personal problem if you believe the above statement you made.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your using it to condemn others a direct violation of the TOS here.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Nothing but a repeat already covered above by me.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
God winks at sin?
 
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I certainly did not ignore them. I pointed out to you that transient didn't mean transfer like you posted. Either you were deliberately trying to snooker me or you were not savvy to the word transient. Either way you have not answered the plain truth that Paul wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary and Christians have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, not the guidance of the temporary 10 commandments.
His dictionary isn't public.
 
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You've been repeatedly told and toss it out.(hint) John 15:10 and 1 John 3:23You have a very real personal problem if you believe the above statement you made.This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your using it to condemn others a direct violation of the TOS here.Nothing but a repeat already covered above by me.God winks at sin?

Not at all I have only shared scripture you provide your opinion over God's. I do not share my own words but God's WORD. Sharing God's WORD is not a violation of the TOS. Nothing you have provided in your post is biblical accept the scriptures you quote that do no prove your point.
 
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Not at all I have only shared scripture you provide your opinion over God's. I do not share my own words but God's WORD. Sharing God's WORD is not a violation of the TOS. Nothing you have provided in your post is biblical accept the scriptures you quote that do no prove your point.
Oh listed proves his point very elegantly. It is your preconceived beliefs that will not allow you to see the Light in his posts. Ellen was a false prophet. Following her teachings only lead her followers down a wrong path. Too bad.
 
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Oh listed proves his point very elegantly. It is your preconceived beliefs that will not allow you to see the Light in his posts. Ellen was a false prophet. Following her teachings only lead her followers down a wrong path. Too bad.

Hi Bob,

Did you have any scripture to share? :) Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

It is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those seeing see not. Those hearing hear not and those walking walk not. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.

Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.

Come let us reason together; Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Call upon me while I am near, tomorrow may be too late and why will you die when by my stripes you may be healed. With an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you therefore why will you turn from me? It is hard to kick against the pricks.

Do you know the scriptures quoted above?
 
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Hi Bob,

Did you have any scripture to share? :) Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
Why is it you keep asking that and when I do provide scripture you write "well that is not true Bob" then you do your copy and paste thingy and expect readers to read it over and over.

I provide scripture where needed and in my post to you about Listed why would you ever think I needed to post some scripture? How about getting real friend?
 
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Amen! John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. Example below:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

*Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3) Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)

*From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

To believe in Jesus Christ
To love one another :)

Interesting.
 
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NEW TESTAMENT APPLICATION FOR LAW "ENTOLE"

Now according to the post above you say the GREEK word used in 1 John 3:23 is ENTOLE and because it's a different word to NOMOS then it does not mean God's LAW (10 Commandments) right?

Now let's see if this idea is correct or not according to God's WORD and the application of ENTOLE is only in reference to Christs command of love....

Matthew 22
36,
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38,
This is the first and great commandment.
39,
And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

Jesus is actually quoting from the OLD Testament scriptures from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18 here. Jesus is saying here that GOD'S LAW and LOVE are not separated.

Now let's look at other scriptures in the NEW Testament GREEK that use the same word ENTOLE...

Matt. 15.3-6
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment (entole) of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother (application God's 10 Commandments): . . .
But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, he shall be free, honors not his father or his mother. Thus have ye made the commandment (entole) of God of none effect by your tradition.


Application of ENTOLE to the 10 Commandments....

Matt. 19.17-19

And he said unto him if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments (entole) He said unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Mark 7.9-10
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment (entole) of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother;


Romans 7
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But sin, taking occasion by the commandment (entole), worked out in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9, For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment (entole) came, sin revived, and I died.
10, And the commandment (entole), which was ordained to life, I found to be to death.
11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment (entole), deceived me, and by it slew me.
12, Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment (entole) holy, and just, and good.
13, Was then that which is good made death to me? May it not be! But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment (entole) might become exceedingly sinful.

Romans 13:9 For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there is any other commandment (entole), it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments (entole) contained in ordinances; in order to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 6:2 Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment (entole) with promise

Hebrews 9:19
For when Moses had spoken every precept (entole) to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people.

2 Peter 2: 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandments (entole) delivered to them.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments (entole) .

Mark 12:29-30
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments (entole) is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)


Before Jesus.......

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments (entole) and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

hmm seems that the Chief priests and the Pharasees can even use enole....

John 11:57
Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment (entole), that, if any man knew where he were, he should show it, that they might take him.

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Luke 23:56
. . . RESTED THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT. (Entole)

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The above is not exhastive but you should get the picture by now with everthing presented that your application of Scripture is not biblical. The GREEK word "ENTOLE" is also used to descibe God's 10 Commandments including the 4th commandment.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN have no REST and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Hope this helps..


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Hey DD nice to meet you and welcome.

Some comments for you below.



This is true but why should it be a problem for you? The HEBREW calander used the day names as 1-7 for thousands of years. We know what day numbers correspond to our current naming system of week days. Sunday is day 1 through to Saturday being the SEVENTH DAY of God's 4th Commandment. Problem 1-2 solved for you.

My point, "traditionally, I have had this type of argument in the Baptist area with several SDA's. And the overwhelming response is a belief in the "Sabbath" from the Hebrew word.


If God says so why would you not believe it? Jesus was also in the wilderness 40 days. in the NT. It is not a problem if you have FAITH which is needed to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. There is no problem here if you have FAITH because without FAITH it is impossible to please God. There is only a problem if you do not have FAITH.

I have non problem with anything God says. WHat I do have a problem with is somebody trying to force us to go "back under the Law/Torah".

The 10 Commandments were written by God both times on the two tables of stone. Moses at Mt Sinai when he was with God 40 days also started writing the BOOK of the COVENANT or the TORAH which together make up the OLD COVENANT (Exodus 31:18; Deut 10:4; Exodus 24:4; 34:1-27). Once again no problem here

My point again, is to show you that the Decalogue and the Torah were bound together. Deut. 7:13.

And now, we are under a New Covenant. Not the Old!

So Jesus not owning a house is a problem for you why? Why would this be a problem for you if the law does not apply because Jesus never owned a house or Jesus was not a woman? Once again no problem here

I just wanted to point out the fact the building a "knee wall" around your house was one of the 613 "Laws", and it would have been impossible for Jesus (technically) to fulfill that since He did not own a house.

Jesus was not Born "UNDER THE LAW" he was born of a woman made under the law. To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty before God of breaking the law (SIN) see Romans 3:19-20. Jesus never broke God's 4th Commandment otherwise he could never be our perfect sacrifice for our sins and offer his life for ours. The Jews had placed so many man made teachings and traditions around the Sabbath that it had become a burden to the people and it was though man was made for the Sabbath. Jesus came to teach all the true meaning of the Sabbath and that he was the creator of the Sabbath and it was made for all mankind and man was not made for the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28) Once again no problem here

But Jesus did (technically) break the 4th commandment as the scribes and Pharisees accused Him of.

But where SDA's have a problem is reverting back to the Law in "requiring" us to keep the Sabbath/Saturday worship.

If Jesus was doing His Father's work on the Sabbath, why should we not do the same.

This is NOT a problem if you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Have Faith in God and trust his WORD

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8-11).

And here again, why are you quoting a "Law" that has been fulfilled, and requiring us to submit to it?

There is no problem here if you trust God and have faith.

Who said I don't have faith, or don't believe God?

Your standard is not my standard.


This is not true to be "UNDER THE LAW" as shown earlier means to be guilty before God of BREAKING God's LAW. If you break God's LAW you stand guilty before GOD in SIN (Romans 3:19-20; 1 John 3:4). God does not put man above God if your employer asks you to break God's LAW what is higher man or God? It is God that says the wages of SIN is death. Better to go get another job don't you think? There is no problem here if you trust God and have faith.

Here again, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

The 4th commandment has been fulfilled in Jesus.

This is a problem why? LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of the LAW in those who BELIEVE. We are in the NEW COVENANT now however many of the SHADOWS have now been fulfilled in Him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another (Rom 13:8-10; Col; 2; Heb 8:10-12). There is no problem here if you have faith.

If I love the Lord, and love my fellow man, according to Jesus, I have fulfilled all the Law.

But according to you, you want to hang the 4th commandment over everybodies head like a sword of Damocles.

No we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. If you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD there is no problem here. There is only a problem if you do not BELIEVE and do not FOLLOW.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

You forget the First Apostolic Council in regards to Gentiles.

Perhaps you should read that along with Paul's words on esteeming one day over another.

:D

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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