How to choose between creation and evolution.

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ignore this one. Damn double posting.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Triple post.

 

[tas8831]

but you basically said that there are no biologists who belieive in design. right?

I did?

OK, I am pretty sure that there are very few professional biologists that "believe in" the largely religious doctrine of "Intelligent Design" as it applies to living things, yes.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And you got that "wisdom" from google, did you? So, you are 'smarter' than your doctors and all biologists, yet all you have is a background in economics and an ego.

I figured that out by myself. Prove me wrong.

 

[xianghua]

I did?

OK, I am pretty sure that there are very few professional biologists that "believe in" the largely religious doctrine of "Intelligent Design" as it applies to living things, yes.

so how many biologists do you think believe in a higher power?

 

[Jimmy D]

And you evidently never heard of the proven genetic fact---the offspring CANNOT receive a characteristic that is not in the gene pool of its parents.

You’ve really embarrassed yourself with that response chief.

If you can’t respond in an appropriate manner to a post like that you have no business demanding ‘evidence’.

Your ignorance reflects badly on you and your creationist ilk.

 

[tas8831]

It is not about hearing something, it is about the only thing they hear in public schools. It is indoctrination, not honest teaching.

What would honest teaching encompass?

Is what is taught at Vacation Bible School teaching or indoctrination?

 

[Brightmoon]

And you evidently never heard of the proven genetic fact---the offspring CANNOT receive a characteristic that is not in the gene pool of its parents.

. You do realize that viruses and some bacteria can do that right? Ever hear of syncytin? Or plastid endosymbiosis?

 

[VirOptimus]

Yes you do. One is called "The Origin of the Species." An amusing and telling title since it doesnot address the origin of the species.

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Are you serious? Im calling a poe here. Noone is that ignorant.

 

[VirOptimus]

Evolution is a game of no evidence which you are playing.

Evolution is a process that affects physical reality. Its very well understood and supported by facts.

 

[tas8831]

so how many biologists do you think believe in a higher power?

Probably many. But there is a difference between that and thinking this higher power had us in mind when it created the universe.

Do you have a point?

 

[tas8831]

I figured that out by myself. Prove me wrong.

You figured out that google smarts is not real smarts?

How could I prove that wrong when I know it is true?

Still waiting for your example of creation-proving anatomy.

I'm sure that if you ever stop dodging and bluffing, it will be hilarious.

 

[tas8831]

Do you think a creationist could get a teaching position in Boloogy in a secular university?

Yes. I knew of one in my graduate program.

Do you think an atheist could get a job in the Church?

 

[xianghua]

And so the retrovirus insertions

first: how do you know thay are real insertions?

 

[xianghua]

If you want anyone to take the claim seriously you need to explain why the designer put 203,000 chucks and pieces of virus DNA into both humans and chimpanzees

see my question to speedwell. after that we will check your other claims too.

 

[xianghua]

Probably many. But there is a difference between that and thinking this higher power had us in mind when it created the universe.

Do you have a point?

so we both agree that many biologists believe in higher power.

 

[Brightmoon]

Been there i was teaching a zoology class for an elementary school level after school program . Director was a creationist . That was fun . When we did the Proboscidea I made sure I put up pictures of gomphotheres. You should have seen the look on her face when she realized that this was once a living animal

 

[Brightmoon]

Double posted

 

[DogmaHunter]

so how many biologists do you think believe in a higher power?

Assuming good old theism counts as "higher power", then it's 51% according to this statistic for "biological and medical science".

 

[xianghua]

Assuming good old theism counts as "higher power", then it's 51% according to this statistic for "biological and medical science".

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correct. so most biologists believe in a designer.

 

[Brightmoon]

That’s not exactly what that graph said.

 

[Speedwell]

correct. so most biologists believe in a designer.

Wrong. They believe in a "higher power," not necessarily your designer. I believe in a "higher power" myself; I believe in "God the father almighty, maker of heaven and Earth and of all things both visible and invisible" but I do not believe in your politically motivated and intellectually bankrupt ID.

 

[Brightmoon]

The graph just pointed out that some scientists are theists or deists or believe in a higher power of some kind or other. Accepting ID, which is a shoehorn of religion into science, isn’t accepted much in the scientific community. Even Francis Collins doesn’t do it