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Would you date a Christian that doesn't go to church?

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Personally, I would probably date a Christian that doesn't go to church....

If you look at the Bible very deeply, keeping a regular attendance in the church isn't a requirement.

And if you look at the Bible deeply enough, you will realize it's more of a test. Not every word in there, you should take for literally.

It's a big problem these days most Christians don't question teachings and doctrines anymore even at the possibility it could have been corrupted by the ignorance of the culture of that period.. They take things at facevalue and believe so easily. Jesus said, only *few* will find the way and this means, most will be making a huge mistake.

Right, often time I see some of these Bible quotes and they are written exclusively for people of that period in time, and quite possibly for a specific group of people...like of that particular city (may not apply to everyone).

I recall the 'spilling of one's seed" ....and apparently, from what I figured, it sounded like a law of a tribe or something...not a rule that applied to the entire world. (sorry, getting a bit off topic)

But yeah...if you go out to a restaurant with a group of Christians, you may be judged if you order a beer. There's this one singles group that has a specific rule NOT to order alcoholic drinks at said restaurant gathering.
 
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I'm not going out with anyone who is going to judge me.

You don't you want to be around people who share your beliefs?
you wrote- "I'm not going out with anyone who is going to judge me."

You have got to be kidding. anyone you go out with is going to judge/discerne/evaluate you. just as you would do as well.
 
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you wrote- "I'm not going out with anyone who is going to judge me."
You have got to be kidding. anyone you go out with is going to judge/discerne/evaluate you. just as you would do as well.

kidding? I don't work with goats.
 
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It would totally depend on why she doesn't attend church. There are a number of good reasons why a person might not be attending church at that point in time. If she was never intent on attending church again, and I am speaking honestly here, it would depend on what the state of my feelings for her are. I could see a scenario where I would continue dating her if I really liked her and she had an active relationship with God. I would just hope that she comes around. But a lot of things would have to go right for me to keep going with her.

So there is good reason that someone could not attend church, no matter how personal the reason may be?
Yes.

Also, why attend church, when you can say your prayers at home, yes?
The Bible is very clear about the power and the importance of gathering together in corporate worship. Every Christian needs strong believers in their life and the church is God's designed foundation for that. One limitation of the English language is that whether one person or a group of people is being addressed, we still use the pronoun "you." But in New Testament Greek, that pronoun takes a different form depending on who is being addressed. More often than not, the plural "you" is being used when commands are given. You could think of it as "y'all." The Bible doesn't just command our gathering together but it assumes it as well. This is pretty antithetical to our individualistic western culture, but we weren't designed for individualism, we were designed to operate tribalistically. And as an acquaintance of mine posted on social media recently, "Your podcast pastor won't be visiting you in hospital after your surgery and your favorite worship band on Spotify won't pray with you when your marriage is falling apart."

Right, often time I see some of these Bible quotes and they are written exclusively for people of that period in time, and quite possibly for a specific group of people...like of that particular city (may not apply to everyone).
Well the entire Bible is written that way. It is written by an author with an intended audience. That doesn't mean that we can't take away in the very least principles to abide by. The Bible is living and active.

But yeah...if you go out to a restaurant with a group of Christians, you may be judged if you order a beer. There's this one singles group that has a specific rule NOT to order alcoholic drinks at said restaurant gathering.

I go to a church where the majority of the people drink leisurely/socially, including the pastors. If people are having an informal get-together to watch a football game or something, then that is one thing, but if a group is meeting as a church function, like a singles group, then involving alcohol wouldn't be appropriate just for the sake of being above reproach. It really doesn't have to be complicated, wisdom just needs to be exercised.
 
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Right, often time I see some of these Bible quotes and they are written exclusively for people of that period in time, and quite possibly for a specific group of people...like of that particular city (may not apply to everyone).

I recall the 'spilling of one's seed" ....and apparently, from what I figured, it sounded like a law of a tribe or something...not a rule that applied to the entire world. (sorry, getting a bit off topic)

But yeah...if you go out to a restaurant with a group of Christians, you may be judged if you order a beer. There's this one singles group that has a specific rule NOT to order alcoholic drinks at said restaurant gathering.

Probably the best example is Apostle Paul. Paul himself stated very clearly that he pretends to be someone he is not in order to adapt to many cultures for the sake of winning *more* people to Christianity.

And it includes adapting his teachings to these cultures. And the great likelihood many of these teachings does not apply to us today. Not only Paul did this. Others more subtle.

Surprisingly though, the teachings of Christ in the Gospels are more univeral in context and many, if not, most still applies to our modern culture.
 
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Perhaps this would help explain why I no longer attend church, at least not regularly:

Spring 2021: After years of putting up with a severe lack of real marital intimacy from my then-wife (and myriad excuses for said lack of intimacy), I told her that this was unacceptable and I would seek a divorce if this doesn't improve. I didn't really want a divorce, but absent any professional counseling, divorce would have been unavoidable. She did agree to (secular) professional counseling, so I withdrew my threat to divorce.

I didn't need some justification for divorce - I already had that - instead I wanted to do everything in my power to make divorce unnecessary. Of course that would be impossible without her cooperation. In my eyes, there is no such thing as a sexless marriage. That simply doesn't work for me.

I did inform the elders at my then-church assembly what was going on in my marriage (she was attending a separate church). I told them that I wanted to salvage the marriage, but if I couldn't do that, then I would divorce and I would remarry. I told them I would recognize no doctrine that claimed I am somehow obligated to put up with neglect, or be condemned to celibacy for the rest of my life. They assured me this would not be an issue if it came to that.

About two months in, I saw the writing on the wall. When I took it to the Good Lord for answers, His answer to me: "just let it go". Sure enough, a few days later she let me know wanted to dissolve the marriage. This time I was prepared for it. And I began the process of winding down the marriage.

When I informed the church leadership of this (nearly three months later when they asked), they placed me under "church discipline". It mattered not a bit to them that they were untruthful to me regarding their policies. Nor did it matter that I did everything in my power to make the marriage viable, but to no avail. They wanted me to continue in reconciliation talks - until when? Until I die of old age, I suppose.

I was nothing but transparent in my dealings. I have not dealt treacherously towards my then-wife. Despite my efforts to do what was right, I was still subjected to a treatment reserved for liars and thieves. The elders should have known that anything bearing the slightest resemblance to church discipline would have been grossly inappropriate in my situation. Their handling of my situation amounted to a huge slap in the face, one I have not forgotten. I would not have worked to dissolve my marriage if I had a reasonable alternative.

The other "Christians" that knew of this made disparaging remarks to me in this experience. They would say stuff like "maybe that's your cross to bear" or "nobody has ever died from a lack of sex". A few even accused me of making an idol out of sexuality - all because I refused to become a eunuch! (A side note: I've even heard of church assemblies not allowing divorce even in cases of horrific abuse.)

During this time, I had the good fortune of making some good trustworthy friends outside Church - in my Latin dance community. (Thank God I have some good dancing skill.) They were there to support me during this time when the people who should have been there for me had failed me.

I don't go to a place on Sunday mornings to be slandered and insulted simply because my then-wife no longer wanted to be married to me. I used to have a lot of respect for people in the Church, but that has been severely compromised because of how they handled this.

The Samaritans in the dance community have accepted me as a brother, while the priests and Levites in Church not only left me for dead, but insulted me as they did so. While I will never leave the Faith, the "Christians" have a ways to go if they are to earn back my trust.
 
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In case my previous story suffers from TLDR, here's the summary:

I was excommunicated from my previous church assembly for reasons that no reasonable Church Elder would consider any sin at all, much less one worthy of church disciplinary proceedings. Based on this and other disparaging remarks from other "Christians", I have refused to attend any church.

While I was reeling from my experience, I have made some good friends in a secular environment. They have not shunned or insulted me even though they were well aware of both my divorce and my resulting excommunication. They have not slandered, insulted, or cast me out.

For most of my adult life, nearly all of my close friends were people from Church. But that is totally different now. These are uncharted waters for me, but so far I like where these waters are going.
 
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Another point: Since my excommunication I have started to consider how the typical church assembly operates. Perhaps we need to rethink the format in a major way...

Meetings are often done on Sunday mornings, sometimes as early as 9am. So if you're not a morning person, or if you have been out and about the night before having a good time (as I often am), it can be rough. I'm rarely at home on Saturday night.

People go into a building, sing songs, then hear some guy talk for an hour, and then go home. Maybe they'll say hi to some people they already know. But a lot of people simply go straight home. I found that soul-crushing.

Some of the larger assemblies will break off into smaller groups, which is all well and good. But they often just sit on a couch and then talk. Oftentimes I've craved a bit more fellowship and have not been finding it.
 
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Perhaps this would help explain why I no longer attend church, at least not regularly:

Spring 2021: After years of putting up with a severe lack of real marital intimacy from my then-wife (and myriad excuses for said lack of intimacy), I told her that this was unacceptable and I would seek a divorce if this doesn't improve. I didn't really want a divorce, but absent any professional counseling, divorce would have been unavoidable. She did agree to (secular) professional counseling, so I withdrew my threat to divorce.

I didn't need some justification for divorce - I already had that - instead I wanted to do everything in my power to make divorce unnecessary. Of course that would be impossible without her cooperation. In my eyes, there is no such thing as a sexless marriage. That simply doesn't work for me.

I did inform the elders at my then-church assembly what was going on in my marriage (she was attending a separate church). I told them that I wanted to salvage the marriage, but if I couldn't do that, then I would divorce and I would remarry. I told them I would recognize no doctrine that claimed I am somehow obligated to put up with neglect, or be condemned to celibacy for the rest of my life. They assured me this would not be an issue if it came to that.

About two months in, I saw the writing on the wall. When I took it to the Good Lord for answers, His answer to me: "just let it go". Sure enough, a few days later she let me know wanted to dissolve the marriage. This time I was prepared for it. And I began the process of winding down the marriage.

When I informed the church leadership of this (nearly three months later when they asked), they placed me under "church discipline". It mattered not a bit to them that they were untruthful to me regarding their policies. Nor did it matter that I did everything in my power to make the marriage viable, but to no avail. They wanted me to continue in reconciliation talks - until when? Until I die of old age, I suppose.

I was nothing but transparent in my dealings. I have not dealt treacherously towards my then-wife. Despite my efforts to do what was right, I was still subjected to a treatment reserved for liars and thieves. The elders should have known that anything bearing the slightest resemblance to church discipline would have been grossly inappropriate in my situation. Their handling of my situation amounted to a huge slap in the face, one I have not forgotten. I would not have worked to dissolve my marriage if I had a reasonable alternative.

The other "Christians" that knew of this made disparaging remarks to me in this experience. They would say stuff like "maybe that's your cross to bear" or "nobody has ever died from a lack of sex". A few even accused me of making an idol out of sexuality - all because I refused to become a eunuch! (A side note: I've even heard of church assemblies not allowing divorce even in cases of horrific abuse.)

During this time, I had the good fortune of making some good trustworthy friends outside Church - in my Latin dance community. (Thank God I have some good dancing skill.) They were there to support me during this time when the people who should have been there for me had failed me.

I don't go to a place on Sunday mornings to be slandered and insulted simply because my then-wife no longer wanted to be married to me. I used to have a lot of respect for people in the Church, but that has been severely compromised because of how they handled this.

The Samaritans in the dance community have accepted me as a brother, while the priests and Levites in Church not only left me for dead, but insulted me as they did so. While I will never leave the Faith, the "Christians" have a ways to go if they are to earn back my trust.

You hit the nail on the head, this is what drives people away from church....from what I read, this is cult-like in nature.

I once dated a woman in her 30s that was married for like a year, while she was in college, she was 19 and she was engaged to this guy, and actually wanted out of the engagement...but the pastor of her church told her that an engagement is a PROMISE to get married and to not follow through with the marriage would be blasphemous.

Of course, at 19 she's naive and believed him and wound up in an abusive 1-year marriage.

My family members was encouraging to have their brother to divorce his wife due to her ill treatment of him. Must've put up with it for 20 years. When he finally filed for divorce, they were "about danged time".

You see, when you're young, you're sucked into the cultish "suck it up, butter cup" and it's like "You're Christian, there's no getting out of this" or the cliche'd "cross to bear".

As people aged, they wised up and divorced their abusive and cheating spouses as they called hogwash on all that.
 
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In case my previous story suffers from TLDR, here's the summary:

I was excommunicated from my previous church assembly for reasons that no reasonable Church Elder would consider any sin at all, much less one worthy of church disciplinary proceedings. Based on this and other disparaging remarks from other "Christians", I have refused to attend any church.

While I was reeling from my experience, I have made some good friends in a secular environment. They have not shunned or insulted me even though they were well aware of both my divorce and my resulting excommunication. They have not slandered, insulted, or cast me out.

For most of my adult life, nearly all of my close friends were people from Church. But that is totally different now. These are uncharted waters for me, but so far I like where these waters are going.

Church "elder", who even uses that verbiage anymore? :p

Amen on the bolded, same here. I have found most people developed friendships outside of their churches. I knew one woman that married in her spouses church, because HER church wouldn't marry them due to whatever rule they head....she took the path of less resistance.
 
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Another point: Since my excommunication I have started to consider how the typical church assembly operates. Perhaps we need to rethink the format in a major way...

Meetings are often done on Sunday mornings, sometimes as early as 9am. So if you're not a morning person, or if you have been out and about the night before having a good time (as I often am), it can be rough. I'm rarely at home on Saturday night.

People go into a building, sing songs, then hear some guy talk for an hour, and then go home. Maybe they'll say hi to some people they already know. But a lot of people simply go straight home. I found that soul-crushing.

Some of the larger assemblies will break off into smaller groups, which is all well and good. But they often just sit on a couch and then talk. Oftentimes I've craved a bit more fellowship and have not been finding it.
The bolded...exactly, there's no real developing a social life from church or fellowship as they like to call it. It's get in, get out, and that's it. More friendships tend develop outside of church, than in. Of course, if you're single, you're kind stuck, as worshipers head home to do family things/activities.
 
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Church "elder", who even uses that verbiage anymore? :p

I prefer the term "elder" over "pastor". Our only true "pastor" is Jesus Himself. That was also the preferred term at the Brethren assembly I was first saved in.
 
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You hit the nail on the head, this is what drives people away from church....from what I read, this is cult-like in nature.

I once dated a woman in her 30s that was married for like a year, while she was in college, she was 19 and she was engaged to this guy, and actually wanted out of the engagement...but the pastor of her church told her that an engagement is a PROMISE to get married and to not follow through with the marriage would be blasphemous.

That woman was fortunate to have gotten out after a year. I've heard of people putting up with decades of abuse at the hands of someone who should have cared for her. To hold that God hates divorce more than He hates abuse, treachery, cruelty, etc is blasphemous and slanderous to God. Indefinite separation would not be an adequate remedy in most cases such as these.

A lot of this is due to what I call the "Marriage Permanence Heresy". This doctrine generally states that divorce is presumed to be prohibited except under rare circumstances. Many who adhere to this teaching hold that divorce is prohibited even in cases of adultery or abandonment. I can make a strong case against this teaching - I don't call it "heresy" for nothing - but perhaps it's best to do so on another thread.
 
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This is exactly my thought...If I can get her to attend church with me then its a win.

You may want to be carefulthere. I think there's a term for this...I think it's called conversion dating...or something.
 
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You may want to be carefulthere. I think there's a term for this...I think it's called conversion dating...or something.

I think the term is "missionary dating", but you are right to advise caution. I don't think it has a great success rate and there's a danger of it having the opposite effect, with the Christian being drawn away from church.
 
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