Can a believer commit the unforgivable sin?

[Bible Highlighter]

Christ also said : i never knew you. Which means These things are not in the child of God.
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:23.
In edit , you cannot come and go as you please. You are or you are not.

God associates with the righteous because He is holy.
But if a righteous person turns away from their righteousness, all their righteousness they have done shall not be mentioned.

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." (Ezekiel 18:24).​

In other words, God will have no memory of a person's righteous deeds if they do evil again. It would be as if he never knew them because God associates with the righteous and not the unrighteous.

Also, it must be pointed out that the REASON WHY Jesus is telling this believer to depart from him is not because they did many wonderful works, it is because they worked iniquity. Iniquity is sin; Jesus says, "depart from me ye that work iniquity."

But we do have to KNOW Jesus. For Jesus says depart from me. I never KNEW you. How can we have an assurance in KNOWING Jesus? 1 John 2:3 says, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

Furthermore, if that is not enough for you, then skip down to verses 26-27 in Matthew 7. It says,

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:26-27).

So there is no "sin and still be saved gospel" being pushed here. It says if we do not do what Jesus says, we are likened unto a foolish man who built his house upon the sand and great was the fall of that house.

 

[Benaiahian Monk]

1. We are saved as a result of the finished work of Jesus Christ at Calvary (John 17:4; 19:30; Heb. 4:3). If it depends on us in the least little bit, we become Co-Redeemers with Him.
2. It is believing, not performing, that saves us: (Eph. 2:8-9).
3. If our faith fails, His sustains us: (2 Tim. 2:13).
4. Salvation by faith alone glorifies Christ who died for us and will one day present us to the world as trophies of His grace: (Eph. 5:25-27).
5. It is Christ, not ourselves, who makes us acceptable before God: (Eph. 1:6).
6. Redemption is a present possession of every born again believer in Christ: (Eph. 1:7).
7. If the dos and don’ts of the Mosaic Law didn’t save anyone then, why would any set of dos and don’ts save anyone, or keep anyone saved now (Rom. 3:19-20; 10:3-4)?
8. Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Rom. 10:13). If salvation can be lost, this verse is not true.
9. We are born again (regenerated) from above: (John 3:3-5). There isn’t a verse anywhere in the Bible teaching this process can be reversed!
10. We have been redeemed by His blood: (Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14). Redemption means to be purchased, like from a slave market.
11. It is Christ’s righteousness not our own, that provides us right standing before God: (Rom. 3:21-28; Phil. 3:9; Titus 3:5).
12. We have been forgiven all sin: (Rom. 4:7; Eph. 1:7).
13. We are now and forever, the children of God: (John 1:12).
14. We are never to be condemned: (John 3:18; 5:24; Rom. 8:1) This includes future condemnation in Hell, dear friend.
15. We can’t be lost by Christ: (John 6:39-40).
16. If salvation can be lost, how strange that no theologian in the history of the church has ever been able to set forth the precise moment is will be taken from us.
17. We are in Christ’s hand and in the Father’s hand never to be removed (John 10:28-29).
18. Verses promising everlasting life to those placing faith in Christ must be extracted from Scripture is salvation can at any point, for any reason, be forfeited.
19. We are reckoned by God to be sinless: (Rom. 4:7-8; 8:33; Col. 2:13).
20. We are citizens of Heaven: (Eph 2:19; Phil. 3:20).
21. We have entered into His rest: (Heb. 4:3).
22. We have been made perfect forever by the offering of Christ: (Heb. 10:14).
23. We can never ever be snatched out of Jesus’ hand: (John 10:28)
24. We can never ever be snatched out of the Father’s hand: (John 10:29)
25. We have been delivered from the wrath to come: (1 Thess. 1:10)
26. We are dead: (Col. 3:1-3). Death permanently removes us from the earthly realm as Paul explains in this passage of Scripture.
27. We have been justified (declared not guilty of all sin) by faith: (Rom. 3:28) If right living got us declared not guilty, Christ died for nothing – (Gal. 2:21).
28. We furthermore, have had all charges dropped against us: (Rom. 4:7-8; 2 Cor. 5:19; Col. 2:13-14; Heb. 10:17-18).
29. We are (spiritually and positionally) in Christ: (Ephesians 1:1,3,10,12,20; 2:6,10,13).
30. We are being kept secure by God: (Phil. 1:6; Col. 3:3).
31. We are sanctified (set apart permanently): (1 Cor. 6:11; Heb. 10:10).
32. We are seated in Heaven with Christ now: (Eph. 2:6; Col. 3:1-3). Nowhere in Scripture are we ever removed or unseated from this lofty position.
33. We are sealed unto the day of redemption (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30). The redemption spoken of here is the ultimate deliverance of all believers by the Lord Jesus Christ (Eph. 1:14).
34. We are a brand new creation; a new person: (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15; Eph. 4:24).
35. We have everlasting life as a present ongoing possession: (John 3:16, 36; 5:24; 6:47) Greek scholar AT Robertson’s Word Studies says that we have this here, and now, and for all eternity.
36. We are as righteous as the Lord: (1 Cor. 1:30; Rom. 3:25; 2 Cor. 5:21) Righteousness comes purely from believing in God, not in doing a thing- (Rom. 3:22). It gives us the same standing with God as Christ has with Him, since His righteousness has been transferred to us through faith (Rom. 3:25).
37. We are saved completely by grace apart from personal worth, merit, or ability (Rom. 1:15; 4:16; Eph. 2:8-9).
38. We were chosen to be saved on the basis of God’s foreknowledge (Rom. 8:29-30) before God created the world (Eph. 1:4) If we could lose our salvation, then God is not omniscient in that He made a mistake choosing us.
39. We are preserved in Christ: (Jude 1:1) The Greek word here, according to Strong is tay-reh’-o, and it means to guard from loss or injury, properly keep an eye on; in other words they live in complete protection. Scofield wrote: “Assurance is the believer’s full conviction that, through the work of Christ alone, received by faith, he is in possession of a salvation in which he will be eternally kept.”
40. For every verse submitted by limited security advocates to “prove” salvation can be lost, a plethora exist to contradict it.
41. You might be able to move some rocks but you won’t move this one.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

Chapter and verse please.

The unforgivable sin is not a verbal sin, it is a sin of the "heart" and the "heart" in the OT means "the whole being of a man" or their whole nature.

Do you know what the book of life is?

It's a "book" written in with names of those God was going to give life to and He wrote this "book" BEFORE He created man.

Christ died and saved ALL these people named.

NOW, the Holy Spirit is on the planet and He is APPLYING the salvation bought by the Son on Calvary...

These non-elect, non-forgiven are an OFFENSE to the Holy Spirit whose ministry on the planet is to apply salvation to God's elect at the appointed TIME.

This isn't my post and I'm giving reply

(isa. 1:18.)

 

[mkgal1]

This is what I agree with (and, yes.....we can all have a blind spot that we aren't acknowledging and asking for forgiveness for....but I don't believe that's our eternal outcome. I believe God's power of love will teach and transform us all...eventually):


---->Is there a sin that cannot be forgiven?
Yes, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is any sin that a person clings to by continually resisting the convicting power of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind that there is not one specific sin that is unforgivable, such as lying, stealing or murder, but rather a perpetual hardening of the heart and willfully sinning against God and man (1 Timothy 4:2; Titus 1:15). In Acts 7:51, Stephen says the following to the Pharisees, "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.” In a nutshell the unpardonable sin is any sin that a person doesn’t want to give up, confess, or even ask forgiveness for and additionally doesn’t want to hear any more about it from the Holy Spirit.~What is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? | Bibleinfo.com

 

[One More Fellow Believer]

Okay so everyone knows what the unforgivable sin is and was in Jesus`s day. Many people say the unforgivable sin cannot be commited today because Jesus isn't walking on the Earth anymore. But I don't know. If the unforgivable sin could be commited today could a believer commit it? Say they have a mental illness and part of their mental illness is that they say really bad things about the holy spirit and Jesus could they be forgiven? I'm asking because I am the person with the mental illness and part of dealing with my illness everyday is dealing with thoughts that the holy spirit could be Satan. I mean Jesus says in John 6:37-6:40 that he will not lose a single believer so my salvation should be as secure as any other believers but I still cannot stop these thoughts from coming into my head no matter how many meds I take. I want Jesus to cure me so that I will never blasphemy him or any part of God anymore but he wont. Its almost as if Jesus hates me and doesn't understand how bad this is making me feel. So is it possible for a believer to commit the unforgivable sin? If not why? If yes we would eventually get the punishment we deserve for saying such things. But why would Jesus give us the holy spirit in the first place? And why would Jesus say he would not lose a single believer if believers could be lost? Wouldn't that make Jesus a liar? And wouldn't that mean that saying a believer could lose his salvation call Jesus a liar from his numerous statements in the bible that say that a believer cannot lose their salvation? I mean... I'm just as saved as any other believer right?

Hello, friend. I've registered in this forum specifically so I could reply to you... your post touched me deeply.

I suffered for a long time from mental illness, including intrusive thoughs. Some people don't realize, but mental illness is something quite common, and not always evident; I'm a reasonably sucesseful professional, with a family, but still is something that haunted me.

Imagining that you are saying awful, awful things is something that happened to me. An urge to blasphemy, or just think nasty stuff. Then came the guilt, fear of damnation.

Do not fear or despair. Just as some people have legs that can't stand, or eyes that don't see, some have minds that don't work right. Jesus and God loves us more than we can imagine, and fully knows the burden that was put onto us. In his infinite love, I can't imagine them not feeling pity and understanding what we go through.

Besides keeping your prayer and faith, what you need, if you have been suferring from these intrusive thoughts, is professional help. Seek a good and realiable psychiatrist. If you can get recommendations do it, if not, seek one that seems serious and dedicated and can help you. Then go through the treatment, be it with therapy or medication, the doctor will know what is needed. In time (a long time, it took me years), things will get better. God will always be with you, and give you strengh, humbleness and perseverance to overcome this. Maybe that is your plan to you, to embetter you (we, of cours, have no way to know His plans).

Do not think of your illness as literal Satan, tje devil himself, talking to you. Its just a health problem - a gruesome health problem - but just something to be healed.

I wish you all the best and will include you in my prayers today. But I do recommend quite strongly that you seek professional help in parallel to your faith - think of it as a good Christian with a broken foot.

Do not suffer; the path of healing is long, but God's patience, comprehension and love for you is infinite.

 

[mkgal1]

I feel horrible, MMBattlestar.....I didn't even read your full OP (I was merely going by the title and skimming a few posts).

I hope One More Fellow Believer's post puts your mind at ease. God's love is powerful enough to redeem and heal each and every part of us (even our broken brains)....eventually.

 

[Neogaia777]

God associates with the righteous because He is holy.
But if a righteous person turns away from their righteousness, all their righteousness they have done shall not be mentioned.

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." (Ezekiel 18:24).​

In other words, God will have no memory of a person's righteous deeds if they do evil again. It would be as if he never knew them because God associates with the righteous and not the unrighteous.

Also, it must be pointed out that the REASON WHY Jesus is telling this believer to depart from him is not because they did many wonderful works, it is because they worked iniquity. Iniquity is sin; Jesus says, "depart from me ye that work iniquity."

But we do have to KNOW Jesus. For Jesus says depart from me. I never KNEW you. How can we have an assurance in KNOWING Jesus? 1 John 2:3 says, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

Furthermore, if that is not enough for you, then skip down to verses 26-27 in Matthew 7. It says,

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:26-27).

So there is no "sin and still be saved gospel" being pushed here. It says if we do not do what Jesus says, we are likened unto a foolish man who built his house upon the sand and great was the fall of that house.

Problem is Jason, is that we all still do sin, if were being honest, after we are saved, and that is what is to be reconciled here...

God Bless!

 

[Neostarwcc]

Hello, friend. I've registered in this forum specifically so I could reply to you... your post touched me deeply.

I suffered for a long time from mental illness, including intrusive thoughs. Some people don't realize, but mental illness is something quite common, and not always evident; I'm a reasonably sucesseful professional, with a family, but still is something that haunted me.

Imagining that you are saying awful, awful things is something that happened to me. An urge to blasphemy, or just think nasty stuff. Then came the guilt, fear of damnation.

Do not fear or despair. Just as some people have legs that can't stand, or eyes that don't see, some have minds that don't work right. Jesus and God loves us more than we can imagine, and fully knows the burden that was put onto us. In his infinite love, I can't imagine them not feeling pity and understanding what we go through.

Besides keeping your prayer and faith, what you need, if you have been suferring from these intrusive thoughts, is professional help. Seek a good and realiable psychiatrist. If you can get recommendations do it, if not, seek one that seems serious and dedicated and can help you. Then go through the treatment, be it with therapy or medication, the doctor will know what is needed. In time (a long time, it took me years), things will get better. God will always be with you, and give you strengh, humbleness and perseverance to overcome this. Maybe that is your plan to you, to embetter you (we, of cours, have no way to know His plans).

Do not think of your illness as literal Satan, tje devil himself, talking to you. Its just a health problem - a gruesome health problem - but just something to be healed.

I wish you all the best and will include you in my prayers today. But I do recommend quite strongly that you seek professional help in parallel to your faith - think of it as a good Christian with a broken foot.

Do not suffer; the path of healing is long, but God's patience, comprehension and love for you is infinite.

Thank you for your post! I read it to my wife and it has helped us a lot. First off is like to say welcome to CF! I hope you stay here I love these forums. Second of all Of like to say that I am seeing a psychiatrist and she's been semi helpful. I don't know if I should tell her when I see her next week about these thoughts or not. I mean she isn't Christian and probably wouldn't understand. I mean maybe I can tell her and she would recommend upping my medication doses. Because right now I only take 10 mg of an antipsychotic called Saphris once a day. I do hope that these thoughts will go away eventually because living with my mental illness everyday is a struggle. Thank you for praying for me and I hope you stay here so we can talk more. See ya.

 

[Neogaia777]

No. One of the unforgivable sins (which is mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 12) is clearly stated here:

31 All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." (Matthew 12:31-32).​

It is strange to me why you and others would think that the unforgivable sin is something other than what Scripture says it means plainly above here. The above passage says that whoever SPEAKS (i.e. blasphemes) against the Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven them. In other words, if any one speaks bad words against the Holy Ghost they will not be forgiven of such a thing. You cannot repent or ask God for forgiveness for that kind of sin. It is unforgivable. It is not forgivable in this life and is not forgivable in the life to come (i.e. the Millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ). There will be no unbelievers in the Millennium, so you can forget the interpretation that says that rejecting God in this life is speaking of the unforgivable sin. Nowhere does Scripture say anything of the kind. Anyone can commit the unforgivable sin. It does not matter if they are a believer or an unbeliever. Anyone can say bad words against the Holy Ghost. Granted, a believer who is faithful will strive to be guarded against doing such a thing (of course).

How does one speak against the Holy Ghost (Spirit)...? Or, "Commit the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit...?" In God's words...

That's more what I was getting to in my prior post...

God Bless You Jason...

 

[Neogaia777]

When Did the apostles like peter, repent...?, and when were they born again...? And did they ever still sin afterward...? Well, Peter did, and Paul called him out on it...

Peter repented or was born again, after what he did about Jesus when he was going to be crucified, like denying him for one, abandoning him, turning his back on him... Anyway... That was part of Peter's conversion story, I think... He (Peter) wept bitterly it says after he did all this, and then ran away and were hiding, along with many of the other apostles, and disciples...

Peter brokeness over this sin is probably what led to him repenting of all of that sin and never doing those particular sins against Jesus or now with the Spirit of Jesus, or God, ever again... And Peter did not return to those particular sins ever again, nor do them with the Spirit of God, anymore ever again in his life, even keeping that vow to the point of death...

But, Peter did sin again, (though not that particular sin prior), Peter did sin after he was born again/converted, cause Paul felt the need to point it out in the scriptures...

Anyhow,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I think, especially for people like us, it (the unpardonable, unforgivable sin) is being kinda anti-Christ like in nature... and they deny the Father and the Son,, and speak "blasphemy" against them, believe in them, but call them evil.. and persecute (to say the least) the people of God, and the like...

God Bless!

 

[SkyWriting]

He isn't saying we are not capable of sin... if he were then Peter proved him wrong not too much long after he stated that, right? We are to strive for perfection, seek and walk in as best we can the righteousness of God in love and mercy and faith. But that doesn't mean we are incapable of sin... that condition is addressed when we are 'changed' at his coming.

We are incapable of perfection. But inviting God into our muck is seeking the best outcome possible.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Problem is Jason, is that we all still do sin, if were being honest, after we are saved, and that is what is to be reconciled here...

God Bless!

You are talking out in left field here. The point here is that Matthew 12:32-33 is clearly an unforgivable sin. It is defined by anyone who SPEAKS against the Holy Ghost. The words blasphemy are tied to this, as well. In other words, if one speaks bad words against the Holy Ghost, they are not forgiven. It is pretty easy to understand. If you do not like this truth in the Bible, that is your choice. But it is true never the less.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I think, especially for people like us, it (the unpardonable, unforgivable sin) is being kinda anti-Christ like in nature... and they deny the Father and the Son,, and speak "blasphemy" against them, believe in them, but call them evil.. and persecute (to say the least) the people of God, and the like...

God Bless!

Nothing is mentioned of the kind within Scripture. All anyone has to do is say bad words against the Holy Ghost one time and they are not forgiven. There are no conditions given as an exception to this. It is what it is.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

We are incapable of perfection. But inviting God into our muck is seeking the best outcome possible.

Yeah, okay. Try doing a search word at BlueLetterBible on the word "perfect" and "blameless."

 

[Bible Highlighter]

When Did the apostles like peter, repent...?, and when were they born again...? And did they ever still sin afterward...? Well, Peter did, and Paul called him out on it...

Peter repented or was born again, after what he did about Jesus when he was going to be crucified, like denying him for one, abandoning him, turning his back on him... Anyway... That was part of Peter's conversion story, I think... He (Peter) wept bitterly it says after he did all this, and then ran away and were hiding, along with many of the other apostles, and disciples...

Peter brokeness over this sin is probably what led to him repenting of all of that sin and never doing those particular sins against Jesus or now with the Spirit of Jesus, or God, ever again... And Peter did not return to those particular sins ever again, nor do them with the Spirit of God, anymore ever again in his life, even keeping that vow to the point of death...

But, Peter did sin again, (though not that particular sin prior), Peter did sin after he was born again/converted, cause Paul felt the need to point it out in the scriptures...

Anyhow,

God Bless!

Are you aware of the 144,000? They were found without fault before the throne of God. See Revelation 14:3-5.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

How does one speak against the Holy Ghost (Spirit)...? Or, "Commit the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit...?" In God's words...

That's more what I was getting to in my prior post...

God Bless You Jason...

The post you quote gives you the answer.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

Thank you for all your replies. I'm too far behind on this thread to reply to them all but I've read most of the thread. I just wanted to say that I'm not going to let this bother me anymore. If I did commit the unforgivable sin I would only end up getting the punishment I deserve. Each and every one of us deserves hell we are only saved because of Gods grace and desires. Plus if I did go to hell for something that I cannot help or control wouldn't that be unjust? The bible is kind of silent on mental illness as a whole but I know that there were schizophrenic people in Jesus`s time. I don't think that Jesus would have abandoned them because of them losing their minds. I don't think Jesus has abandoned or forgotten about me. He loves me. I do believe that I am going to be with Jesus when I die and that's what matters. And when I finally do die ill be cured! Something for me to look forward to.

IF you are born again of God you are good to go.

If there was ONE SIN of the Elect of God that Christ did not pay for then God could NOT raise Him from the dead and Jesus would STILL be in the grave.

Think about this.

 

[Neogaia777]

You are talking out in left field here. The point here is that Matthew 12:32-33 is clearly an unforgivable sin. It is defined by anyone who SPEAKS against the Holy Ghost. The words blasphemy are tied to this, as well. In other words, if one speaks bad words against the Holy Ghost, they are not forgiven. It is pretty easy to understand. If you do not like this truth in the Bible, that is your choice. But it is true never the less.

Like simply getting mad at God sometimes, and venting your frustrations, or using God's name as a curse word, or what do you mean @Jason0047 ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Like simply getting mad at God sometimes, and venting your frustrations, or using God's name as a curse word, or what do you mean @Jason0047 ?

It is not what I mean, it is what does the Word of God mean. As I said before, it is to speak bad words (to curse) against the Holy Ghost. Have you never seen anyone call another person bad words or names before?