Hi pinbackbsc04, welcome to the forum.Well, if that's the case, then the OP and thousands upon thousands of well-respected theologians are all "adding to the prophecy that is revealed in Revelation," because his statements reflect a commonly-held exegesis linking the two books of the Bible...
so you do not consider the book of Daniel to have any relevance to current era, is that what you are saying?
That it is fulfilled therefor we do not need to understand it?
Are you saying that the "mark" is a cashless society?
Yes. What Daniel was to ancient Israel,
the GOD-SENT Revelation is to our era (addressed explicitly to Servants of Jesus).
Yes.
in order to tell what the mark is you must know who or what the beast is. would you share that information with us?
What about Matthew 24, John, any relevancy to Revelation?Yes. What Daniel was to ancient Israel,
the GOD-SENT Revelation is to our era (addressed explicitly to Servants of Jesus).
Okay, the beast is the eighth king - who is the eighth king?The Revelation tells us what the Beast is. All you have to do is believe the Revelation.
10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
11 Concerning the beast who was, and is not, he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to destruction.
Rev 17
What about Matthew 24, John, any relevancy to Revelation?
Okay, the beast is the eighth king - who is the eighth king?
Kissinger, the second beast? and the 666, and mark associated with the second beast?KISSINGER and 666 Note there are two beasts of Revelation 13.
One from the sea.The other from the land. One is a Gentile. The other is a Jew.
English is the world's single most widespread language:
A= 1 x 6 = 6, B = 2 x 6 = 12, C = 3 x 6 = 18, D = 4 x 6 = 24, E = 5 x 6 = 30, etc.
K= 66
I= 54
S= 114
S= 114
I = 54
N= 84
G= 42
E= 30
R= 108
+ 666
God addressed the Revelation to "servants of Jesus" .... it is the last book in the Bible ...
I am confident God knew that literate servants of Jesus would have a basic understanding of the Bible
before coming to the last book in the Bible.
So due to His basic understanding of Spiritual reality ....
the servant of Jesus would not be reading the Revelation "in isolation" ....
The Revelation is NOT replete with instructions to refer back to any other books of the Bible.
(much less instruct the reader to go to the "christian book store" and stock up on books purporting to explain the Revelation
while in fact they lead you into scads of speculations and interpretations and sidetracks)
That's a beautiful eloquent verse and certainly inspirational and is the essence of what made Paul such a great Christian, who I consider a brother, hoping for the resurrection of the dead, that he might receive his incorruptible eternal redeemed body soon, and be glorified in it. Thanks for posting it.Even Paul spoke of this revelation of Jesus Christ..."Christ IN YOU the hope of glory" and Paul received that revelation, "But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not rush to consult with flesh and blood,"
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.Well, if that's the case, then the OP and thousands upon thousands of well-respected theologians are all "adding to the prophecy that is revealed in Revelation," because his statements reflect a commonly-held exegesis linking the two books of the Bible...
Matt 24 is about the end time of ancient Israel.
The God-sent Revelation is addressed to servants of Jesus and reveals OUR 'end time."
There are some similarities tween the two end times ....
but in order to understand the Revelation one does not need to refer back to Matt 24.
The Revelation does not direct the reader to refer back to Matt 24 or any other book.
The Revelation explains itself.
As a matter of act, regarding OUR end time, chapter 13->forward reveals all we need to know ....
EXCEPT for chapter 1:1-3 (which is crucial to believe)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His servants things which must soon take place.
He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
2 who bears record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy
and keep those things which are written in it, for the time is near.
Kissinger, the second beast? and the 666, and mark associated with the second beast?
I thought the bible says in Revelation 14:11 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. The image will be made of the first beast...
13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live ______________________________________________________
15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
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John, it looks your Kissinger second beast 666 theory don't work out. ...........
Sorry John, this a complete falsehood. Matthew 24 is also about Christ's return. If knowledge makes us arrogant, does ignorance makes us humble?
John, I understand that another beast is introduced in Revelation 13. But that second beast - which you are theorizing is Kissinger - he is not the one worshiped, not the one the image is made of, not his mark, not his number. Those attributes belong to the first beast which you theorize is JFK.Works out fine Doug. You are ignoring that at Rev 13:11 "another beast" is introduced.
Funny how many do contortions to keep from seeing plain fulfillment.
Sure Matt 24 is about Christ's return. And the Matt 24 return took place nearly 2000 years ago. Do try to get up to speed
A71, I don't know if you are aware, but this forum features a tags system - whereby the participation is limited to the thread tag - such as futurists only.May I suggest you start a Preterist thread. Bye...
Would it be more correct/easier understood by others/or both, to say that instead of God stopping the CLOCK on Israel, (which technically happened) that instead He saw them as Dead Men's Bones, or as dead unto Himself until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in? Then God breathed life back into Israel again.I'm not trying to push my views on anyone here, just expressing them. My favorite analogy is a stopwatch, when Israel rejected the Messiah he hit the stop button. If you ever look at the prophets the coming of the kingdom coincides with the coming of the Messiah. Now not everyone accepts this line of interpretation but it's seamlessly consistant with the requisite texts. What we are waiting for is the fullness of the Gentiles to be brought into the body of Christ. I see nothing here to be divisive or contentious here. The only essential doctrine here is the return of Christ at the end of the age. You agree with me on that I would not hesitate to extend the right hand of fellowship, so to speak. Frankly I find the Levitical imagery far more interesting and the deconstruction of the beast from the sea from Daniel CH. 2 and 7 is far more informative. I'm a little bit of an odd ball on things like the rapture and the timeline, my priority is an emphasis on the return of Christ. Then we can agree to disagree and resolve to build one another up in our common faith instead of banging away at one another's views.
Grace and peace,
Mark