From Daniel To Revelation

[A71]

I see a lot of people making hopelessly wrong statements about Revelation because they do not have a clue about the Book Of Daniel, and I mean this in the nicest possible way.

Daniel and Revelation interlock, and Revelation is the prophetic continuation of Daniel. That is why John is called 'the beloved disciple', because Our Lord was showing us that he is like Daniel, who was "greatly beloved" (Dan 9:23), a "man greatly beloved" (Dan10:19).
John wrote Revelation therefore because he is the prophetic successor of Daniel, just as John the Baptist succeeded Elijah.

We can understand Revelation to some extent without understanding Daniel, but it will be a limited understanding.
Blessings to all.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

I see a lot of people making hopelessly wrong statements about Revelation because they do not have a clue about the Book Of Daniel, and I mean this in the nicest possible way.

Daniel and Revelation interlock, and Revelation is the prophetic continuation of Daniel. That is why John is called 'the beloved disciple', because Our Lord was showing us that he is like Daniel, who was "greatly beloved" (Dan 9:23), a "man greatly beloved" (Dan10:19).
John wrote Revelation therefore because he is the prophetic successor of Daniel, just as John the Baptist succeeded Elijah.

We can understand Revelation to some extent without understanding Daniel, but it will be a limited understanding.
Blessings to all.

That is based upon your own understanding.
To whom it is revealed, it is revealed.
To whom it is not, it is not.
That is why he spoke to them in parables.
Let he who hath ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
You also are adding to the prophecy that is revealed in Revelation.

 

[A71]

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[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Silly statements??

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

John 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[A71]

Yes ok Keith, you've made your point. Not sure what it is..

I am a very busy person, I am learning 3 new languages when not working, so I am not going to be able to answer your points

 

[mark kennedy]

Daniel gives unique details on the final conflict known as the tribulation. There is a major expansion of details, Daniel tells us nothing about the seals, trumpets or vials of wrath for instance. The content of Revelations is built on the writings of the prophets, all of which spoke of Christ and the coming of the kingdom of God. Cross referencing Daniel with Revelations is fairly straightforward but a better literary cross reference would be Levitical imagary, the lampstand is most likely the Menora. Revelations is not a terribly difficult book if you know how to navigate the imagry, which is profoundly Levitical.

 

[A71]

Daniel tells us more than you think.

How do you see the So-called tribulation?

I am not sure Revelation is particularly easy, but maybe you can convince me otherwise. A lot of important imagery also comes from Daniel.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Moronic statement buried in silly statements.

Please man, people may have different opinion with you in this forum.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

I see a lot of people making hopelessly wrong statements about Revelation because they do not have a clue about the Book Of Daniel, and I mean this in the nicest possible way.

Daniel and Revelation interlock, and Revelation is the prophetic continuation of Daniel. That is why John is called 'the beloved disciple', because Our Lord was showing us that he is like Daniel, who was "greatly beloved" (Dan 9:23), a "man greatly beloved" (Dan10:19).
John wrote Revelation therefore because he is the prophetic successor of Daniel, just as John the Baptist succeeded Elijah.

We can understand Revelation to some extent without understanding Daniel, but it will be a limited understanding.
Blessings to all.

Here is what I struggle with in what you said and your comments below in response to others. It is like you want to make a statement that you never really make. There is no meat to your original post, only an attack. Why don't you just lay out what you actually believe for people to read, instead of just claiming that you understand something that almost everyone else doesn't?

 

[A71]

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[A71]

Here is what I struggle with in what you said and your comments below in response to others. It is like you want to make a statement that you never really make. There is no meat to your original post, only an attack. Why don't you just lay out what you actually believe for people to read, instead of just claiming that you understand something that almost everyone else doesn't?

I have made a very clear statement. Do you want me to repeat it?
Who have I attacked?
Because this is a Forum, it would be inappropriate.

 

[A71]

Deleted....sorry, I thought Keith was trolling me

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

I have made a very clear statement. Do you want me to repeat it?
Who have I attacked?
Because this is a Forum, it would be inappropriate.

All you are doing is bantering. You made a link between Daniel and John. You made a link between The Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation. I understand that. Most people who study prophesy link those Books as well. But, you suggested Revelation is a continuation of Daniel. Why not make some pinpointed statements that have meat to them, rather than just structural bones. Then, someone could evaluate Scripturally and might actually be blessed by what you have to share, instead of feeling attacked.

 

[mark kennedy]

Daniel tells us more than you think.

How do you see the So-called tribulation?

I am not sure Revelation is particularly easy, but maybe you can convince me otherwise. A lot of important imagery also comes from Daniel.

That's easy enough, the tribulation is the last of the seventy sevens. The sixty ninth ended with the crucified Messiah and since then the commencement of the last seven years has been on hold. It starts with the opening of the seals and the first four seals describe the rise of the antichrist. Half way through the tribulation, three and a half years, the abomination that causes desolation begins the second half of the tribulation sometimes called the great tribulation. The final wave of judgments are the pouring out of the vials of wrath that devastates the kingdom of the antichrist.

This is all pretty basic stuff, not sure what you might disagree with here.

 

[A71]

If all I am doing is 'bantering' - whatever that means - go and join a thread that means something to you.

Who is attacking who here?

I am establishing the ground rules. How can we go on if not everyone agrees? E.g. Mark to some extent.

Why are you coming down on me for no reason?

I answered your points, and you carry on attacking me. Do you have an axe to grind that I do not know about?

 

[A71]

That's easy enough, the tribulation is the last of the seventy sevens. The sixty ninth ended with the crucified Messiah and since then the commencement of the last seven years has been on hold. It starts with the opening of the seals and the first four seals describe the rise of the antichrist. Half way through the tribulation, three and a half years, the abomination that causes desolation begins the second half of the tribulation sometimes called the great tribulation. The final wave of judgments are the pouring out of the vials of wrath that devastates the kingdom of the antichrist.

This is all pretty basic stuff, not sure what you might disagree with here.

cheers Mark. precisely for this reason, discrepencies in understanding Daniel, it is impossible just to go to the meat.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

That's easy enough, the tribulation is the last of the seventy sevens. The sixty ninth ended with the crucified Messiah and since then the commencement of the last seven years has been on hold. It starts with the opening of the seals and the first four seals describe the rise of the antichrist. Half way through the tribulation, three and a half years, the abomination that causes desolation begins the second half of the tribulation sometimes called the great tribulation. The final wave of judgments are the pouring out of the vials of wrath that devastates the kingdom of the antichrist.

This is all pretty basic stuff, not sure what you might disagree with here.

Why is that everyone thinks that things are somehow "put on hold"? That somehow God was like nah, I'm gonna just not do what I said I would. I'll do it when I feel like it.
Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
That somehow since we can't figure out God's timetable as he has said, that somehow he put it on hold?
No. This is a clear indicator that you're misinterpreting it. Starting at the correct points in time and proceeding accordingly, it becomes clear. So you can get a general ballpark. While we can mathematically interpret many things, and study and watch, recall that no man knows the day or hour except the Father, no not even the Son.

Also, I was not attempting to curse here...merely stating a few scriptures that clearly came to mind.

 

[A71]

You said this Keith:

"You also are adding to the prophecy that is revealed in Revelation"

Which invokes the following curses:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

It is a very serious allegation for me, which is why I probably overreacted

 

[mark kennedy]

Why is that everyone thinks that things are somehow "put on hold"? That somehow God was like nah, I'm gonna just not do what I said I would. I'll do it when I feel like it.
Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
That somehow since we can't figure out God's timetable as he has said, that somehow he put it on hold?
No. This is a clear indicator that you're misinterpreting it. Starting at the correct points in time and proceeding accordingly, it becomes clear. So you can get a general ballpark. While we can mathematically interpret many things, and study and watch, recall that no man knows the day or hour except the Father, no not even the Son.

Also, I was not attempting to curse here...merely stating a few scriptures that clearly came to mind.

I'm not trying to push my views on anyone here, just expressing them. My favorite analogy is a stopwatch, when Israel rejected the Messiah he hit the stop button. If you ever look at the prophets the coming of the kingdom coincides with the coming of the Messiah. Now not everyone accepts this line of interpretation but it's seamlessly consistant with the requisite texts. What we are waiting for is the fullness of the Gentiles to be brought into the body of Christ. I see nothing here to be divisive or contentious here. The only essential doctrine here is the return of Christ at the end of the age. You agree with me on that I would not hesitate to extend the right hand of fellowship, so to speak. Frankly I find the Levitical imagery far more interesting and the deconstruction of the beast from the sea from Daniel CH. 2 and 7 is far more informative. I'm a little bit of an odd ball on things like the rapture and the timeline, my priority is an emphasis on the return of Christ. Then we can agree to disagree and resolve to build one another up in our common faith instead of banging away at one another's views.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Job 15:6 Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee.