we have no proofs about the existence of god

[JIMINZ]

Proof that God was behind the writing of the Bible is the astronomical chances that so many of it's prophecies have come true. Further proof is its original lack of error or contradiction. Further proof are the many patterns of numerical/alphabetical sequences the original text contains, acting like the things our money has in it to make counterfeiting very difficult. Proof is the inability of the far more numerous enemies of Israel to destroy Israel once and for all.

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1) Proof that God was behind the writing of the Bible is the astronomical chances that so many of it's prophecies have come true.
2) Further proof is its original lack of error or contradiction.
3) Further proof are the many patterns of numerical/alphabetical sequences the original text contains, acting like the things our money has in it to make counterfeiting very difficult.
4) Proof is the inability of the far more numerous enemies of Israel to destroy Israel once and for all.

1) True
2) True
3) True
4) True

But none of these things were a Proof to me, leading me to Salvation, I was unaware of any of them until after my Conversion.

They are now proofs of God because I now Believe, they are an effect of my belief, not the cause.

 

[Blade]

Theres this Christan rap singer...and sings also.. I love "NF - OH LORD" just search that on youtube.

Everything in this life has GOD In it. There will come a day when God is taken out. Take EVERYTHING that is GOOD out.. light.. warmth.. kindness...joy.. the WORLD gets all this. He made it so simple that from the wise to the not wise... they know SOMETHING made all this...made me.

 

[Antig]

All it takes to do what ?
I had faith as a child , loved Jesus ;didn't need the bible even .
Are you afraid that by looking at evidence of God and His creation ,you will stop believing ,stop having Faith ,because the God You have created for you might crumble .
Many people who have said they have Faith do not have any longer because it has not been able to stand up to arguments made by well educated non christians ,many many millions .
Fine ,you do not need anything but the bible ,but you are writing in a faraway land on something which is not mentioned in the bible .Do you imagine that if people who invented such things had not researched' knowledge '(which seems taboo to you), it would have been possble ?

All i know is that i believe in God. I dont need any proof.

 

[JIMINZ]

All i know is that i believe in God. I dont need any proof.

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That's just the point, it cannot be proven God exists, and it cannot be proven God does not exist.

I had Faith that He did exist, and that Trumped any Proof beforehand.

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I believe the word seen in this verse is understood to mean Proof.

 

[Antig]

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That's just the point, it cannot be proven God exists, and it cannot be proven God does not exist.

I had Faith that He did exist, and that Trumped any Proof beforehand.

John 20:29
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I believe the word seen in this verse is understood to mean Proof.

Look at human life. Look at the stars. Look at nature. Look around you. All this is proof that God does indeed exist! Look at Jesus suffering for us on the cross. That is proof.

But, a true believer has pure faith. Pure love of God. I would gladly die for God.

 

[Vicomte13]

That's just the point, it cannot be proven God exists, and it cannot be proven God does not exist.

It absolutely can be proven that God exists, and that Jesus, specifically, is divine in some sense (or at least divinely favored).

Whether people will accept the proof or not is a different matter.

 

[Vicomte13]

The Hebrews, after all, walked through the walls of water on the bottom of the Red Sea, and saw the sea swallow up Pharaoh's army, and saw the pillar of fire and heard the voice of God. They KNEW God existed - and they rebelled anyway.

Judas saw Jesus raise the dead and walk on water, but he betrayed him anyway.

 

[The Times]

maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want

I would like to ask you how you define what is material proofs? Is it visually capturing something?

Will material proofs suffice to account for something or to discount it?

Can material proof be used as 100% evidence to the existence of something?

Here is my claim, that material proofs cannot be relied upon to the existence of the deity transcending time and space.

By most estimates, we're can see about 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum (that includes gamma rays, radio waves, x-rays, infrared, ultraviolet, microwaves, etc.). And it's a good thing too!

It is a good thing too! And Moses can vouch for that to.

So if we use 0.0035% of what we can materially prove, then our science fails miserably and with it our logical and rationale mind.

It would be like looking across one continent to another, to try and visually capture each other from both vantage points.

God is immaterial and trying to prove God materially is a foolish experiment to begin with.

In fact if you were in the scientific community, you will understand that many aspects of our reality are only modelled by relationship of an input and output plant experiment. 99.99999999% of top eschalon science is not visually captured, but rather modelled by measurements from numerous experiments. Such experiments, like understanding the properties of light, has yielded both the particle theory and the wave theory models and yet what light is materially, from a visual perspective is not known.

Scripture compares God to light. John declares that God is Light 1 John 1:5 and in Genesis 1:3 God declares "Let there be Light".

So God is immaterial, as he is illusive as Light has remained illusive from materially proving it visually.

So, now we come to the scientific proofs of God's existence, which uses the same input and output relationship of the experimental plant measurements. The plant is humanity at large and the input from God into humanity across the entire history of mankind has yielded an output, that can be used as a measure to describe the qualities and properties of God through the consistent experiences of countless billions of real life experiments, that incorporates every one of us as the plant.

So the proof to the existence of God, is in the transparent and consistent properties and qualities that have been reported by the plants, that is people's, where their testimony has yielded a precise report of who God is and in that endeavour, similar to the experiments that model light, the science behind this is 100% scientifically repeatable, proven and consistently modelled.

You have therefore a hugely more accurate proof of the existence of Jesus Christ our one True God, than to depend on capturing visual material proof.

If science depended on visual material proofs, then you can virtually scrap 99.9999% of the sciences.

Do you understand?

Jesus is the one True God, by the modelled outcome of the plant called humanity.

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me (John 5:39)

 

[The Times]

Look at human life. Look at the stars. Look at nature. Look around you. All this is proof that God does indeed exist! Look at Jesus suffering for us on the cross. That is proof.

But, a true believer has pure faith. Pure love of God. I would gladly die for God.

Believe it or not, this is how science sets out to discover things, by modelling what is repeatedly and consistently measured across the input and output plant of an experiment. We are living in the Petri dish of God and humanity is the plant and our testimonies are the plant outputs, to the inputs from God.

Science uses such interactions to determine what light is and model it, even though materially they do not know what it is and cannot observe it visually.

God cannot be proven materially as also 99.99999% of scienfically modelled discoveries cannot be proven materially and so the method of proving the existence of God, is not different to how scientific discoveries are made, using modeling through repeatable and consistent experimentations of input and output plant interactions. Humanity is the plant and so our testimonies is the modelled proof to the existence of God.

 

[Greg Merrill]

It absolutely can be proven that God exists, and that Jesus, specifically, is divine in some sense (or at least divinely favored).

Whether people will accept the proof or not is a different matter.

Jesus is deity, the second person of the Trinity of God. The Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit make up the one true God. All three can be referred to as God, though God is more than just any one of the three alone. They are three persons making up one God. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. All three are equal in their attributes (Omniscient, Omnificent, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, immutable, holy, eternal, etc.) They have taken on different roles to do different works; The Father ruled from Heaven, while the Son died on the cross, and the Holy Spirit convicted the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Never think less of Jesus, than Who He is, the eternal Word of God, present with the Father before creation of the universe, Who sits at the right hand (authority of the Father) on the throne of God as God, along with the other two members of the Trinity.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want

The proof is his creation. The proof is a changed life, it is our testimony. No where in the bible does it say we need to prove anything. That is why our testimony is so important and that is the substance of faith.

 

[SolomonVII]

maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want

In the end, unbelievers and believers are not so very unlike.
We may not have proofs. What is unknown in an universe approaching infinite will always be too great to prove much of anything. The only proof we have is what works, and more specifically what works now, because the future is the biggest unknown of all, and change is the only constant.

But even if we have no proofs, we all have needs. We all have goals, and a reason to get up in the morning, a desire for something more than we have now that keeps all of moving forward.

We all orient ourselves toward something more than we are now. We all seek to realize our higher self.

The difference between believers and non-believers in this regard is that the former are guided by a five thousand year tradition in aspiring to realize the goal of that higher self, that "God" who we aspire to; the latter are flying by the seat of their pants in aspiring for pretty much the same thing.

 

[Almost there]

The Jews also paid taxes for poverty relief (that's what the tithe was for). Christians are called to more than taxpaying.




It's not a matter of checking political speech but considering the impact of religious speech.



Love is, above all, a feeling.



Not to the point of nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or firebombing Dresden it doesn't.



I've always been cold blooded. I don't believe there is much virtue in fighting. It's dangerous and expensive. Peace brings prosperity. The quickest way to peace, in my estimation, is to swiftly kill your enemies from a distance.



I suppose. In any case I don't test the theory because God is watching. When I didn't think he existed as a "he" who cared, I did what pleased me without guilt.

Bombing hiroshima and nagasaki did two things: It saved millions of lives and kept the USSR from trying to mess with us in the region, post war. Guilt is from Satan. Conviction is from God. Love is proved by actions. And when you love someone unconditionally, you choose to do so, whether they "make you feel good" or not. If they do, it's an extra bonus. Have you ever heard the phrase, "I love you, but I don't like you."?

You and I are on the same page regarding peace. My wife was once asked is she could shoot a man who was attacking her sexually, she could not answer. She was then asked if she could shoot a man who was sexually attacking her daughter. The answer was, of course, "in a New York second."

 

[Vicomte13]

Jesus is deity, the second person of the Trinity of God. The Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit make up the one true God. All three can be referred to as God, though God is more than just any one of the three alone. They are three persons making up one God. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. All three are equal in their attributes (Omniscient, Omnificent, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, immutable, holy, eternal, etc.) They have taken on different roles to do different works; The Father ruled from Heaven, while the Son died on the cross, and the Holy Spirit convicted the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Never think less of Jesus, than Who He is, the eternal Word of God, present with the Father before creation of the universe, Who sits at the right hand (authority of the Father) on the throne of God as God, along with the other two members of the Trinity.

Ok.

 

[Vicomte13]

Have you ever heard the phrase, "I love you, but I don't like you."?

I have heard the phrase. To me, it is bathos.

 

[thesunisout]

easily somebody could say the same about the koran, or say that satan wrote the bible, what proof the satanist has? none, what proof we christians have? none, only our faith, there lies our grace, not in much reasoning

The bible has hundreds of fulfilled prophecies, which no other book has. The scripture stands alone among all other books as having the definitive proof of Gods existence and of the life, death and resurrection of His Son.

http://www.newtestamentchristians.c...stament-prophecies-fulfilled-in-jesus-christ/

 

[want-love]

Then faith is putting that belief and trust into action.

all ok, i already knew this

 

[Antig]

If you are a Christian then you need no proof what-so-ever that God exist. None. Love of God is enough. You will know instantly. It will be burnt into your heart and soul.

 

[want-love]

Imagine a mother in a courtroom whose son has just been convicted of murder. For weeks the mother has listened to the mountain of damning evidence against her son. But when the unavoidable guilty verdict is given, she leaps up from her seat and cries, "No! It's a lie! It's all a lie! My son is not a murderer!" The enormous prior emotional, relational and biological connections of the mother to her son trump any and all evidence that has been, or could be, given. No matter what might be presented to her as evidence of her son's guilt, she simply won't believe it.

I've met many atheists for whom the same is true. No matter what evidence you might supply in defense of your faith, they have a prior philosophical and moral prejudice against your evidence that prevents them from accepting it as valid. This is why it is always a miracle when God penetrates all this prejudice and resistance and redeems people - especially adults - from it.

The problem, though, isn't that there isn't good reason to believe that the revelation of the Bible is true. There are a multitude of excellent philosophical, experiential, and historical reasons to be a Christian. You can find many of them spelled out here:

www.reasonablefaith.org
www.crossexamined.org
www.coldcasechristianity.com
www.str.org

In fact, I think there is no other religion on the planet that has anywhere near as robust an apologetic as the Christian religion has. The real problem for the unrepentant sinner isn't evidence and reason. The Bible tells us what's really going on:

John 3:19-20
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Romans 1:21-23
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

It is because this is true of the lost person that it is impossible to argue them into God's kingdom. God must act as only He can and convict the lost of their sin, and illuminate their mind, and draw them to Himself. So it is the apostle Paul wrote to Timothy:

2 Timothy 2:24-25
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

While all this is true, giving a defense of the faith, having sound reasons for it, is still vital. All believers are under the command of God to be able defenders of their faith:

1 Peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

quite true, i am not agree with "specially adults". I agree that is a miracle of the love to penetrate in a closed atheist mind

 

[want-love]

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How was it with you, did you require and receive Proofs before you believed, because I sure didn't.

Wow, imagine a human being having to exercise humility towards God.

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