maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want
I'm not sure the Lord wants us to be able to prove that he exists. However, if you walk with him, he will solve all your problems for you.
maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want
maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want
not material proofs that unbelievers want
His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.I agree there is no proof.
Jesus told the story about the rich man who went to hell and asked Abraham to send someone back to tell his brothers not to come to this place. Abraham told him that if they won't believe the Law and the Prophets, it won't make any difference if someone was raised from the dead to warn them because they wouldn't believe him either.
maybe spiritual proofs but not material proofs that unbelievers want
Perhaps its an interpretation of the meaning of proof. In my definition proof allows the movement of a hypothesis towards being simply fact by conclusively excluding all other explanations other than the existence of GOD. Saying it or writing it wont make it proof.I disagree that we have no proofs that God exists!!! His "fingerprints" are "all over the place." Psalms 19:1 says "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth his handiwork." Either the Bible is dependable or it is not; and it is. Mount Rushmore, and footprints in the sand, as well as fingerprints are "proofs" that people have walked this planet. There are all kinds of evidence of "intelligent design" in every cell of every living organism, and more. "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God." Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1.
I can accept your last statement. In tons of court cases proof is produced but it doesn't always convince everybody one way or the other. Actually when you look for other reasonable explanations for some of the proofs of God, they just can't be found. The original writings of the Bible, written over a period of 1600 years, by forty different men chosen by God to write them down, and having absolutely no mistakes, no contradictions, can not be explained by anything else than God being behind it. Sure that statement can be picked apart using human, fallible, incorrect reasoning, but that is a whole nuther ballgame. It still comes down to people are going to chose to believe what "they want" to believe and keep arguing their own belief.Perhaps its an interpretation of the meaning of proof. In my definition proof allows the movement of a hypothesis towards being simply fact by conclusively excluding all other explanations other than the existence of GOD. Saying it or writing it wont make it proof.
Eg two objects of different rates will fall at the same rate. We test it and remove all possible causes for the observed phenomena. Your referral to God's "fingerprint" develops your belief but isnt a proof as it isnt possible to remove other explanations for the observed phenomena. If there WAS proof, there would never be any debates or doubts and the whole world would be christian or at least theists.
And that's the OPs issue. There's no proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Lots of espoused facts cannot be fact_checked eg Moses and the sea separating. There's no way of speaking to the author even if we knew who it was. This is the point of the OP and why religion has faith challengesI can accept your last statement. In tons of court cases proof is produced but it doesn't always convince everybody one way or the other. Actually when you look for other reasonable explanations for some of the proofs of God, they just can't be found. The original writings of the Bible, written over a period of 1600 years, by forty different men chosen by God to write them down, and having absolutely no mistakes, no contradictions, can not be explained by anything else than God being behind it. Sure that statement can be picked apart using human, fallible, incorrect reasoning, but that is a whole nuther ballgame. It still comes down to people are going to chose to believe what "they want" to believe and keep arguing their own belief.
the same manner a satanist could say the heavens declare the glory of satan, he has no proofsI disagree that we have no proofs that God exists!!! His "fingerprints" are "all over the place." Psalms 19:1 says "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth his handiwork." Either the Bible is dependable or it is not; and it is. Mount Rushmore, and footprints in the sand, as well as fingerprints are "proofs" that people have walked this planet. There are all kinds of evidence of "intelligent design" in every cell of every living organism, and more. "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God." Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1.
kinda obvious my brother, and not obvious at the same timeJesus told the story about the rich man who went to hell and asked Abraham to send someone back to tell his brothers not to come to this place. Abraham told him that if they won't believe the Law and the Prophets, it won't make any difference if someone was raised from the dead to warn them because they wouldn't believe him either.
The Pharisees of Jesus' time witnessed His miracles yet they did not believe in Him and conspired to kill Him because He threatened their status and their approach to their religion.
So if people won't believe the Bible, then all the empirical proof in the world won't convince them of the truth of the Gospel because the devil has blinded their minds so that they cannot see or understand what the Gospel is all about.
easily somebody could say the same about the koran, or say that satan wrote the bible, what proof the satanist has? none, what proof we christians have? none, only our faith, there lies our grace, not in much reasoningThe original writings of the Bible, written over a period of 1600 years, by forty different men chosen by God to write them down, and having absolutely no mistakes, no contradictions, can not be explained by anything else than God being behind it.
having absolutely no mistakes, no contradictions, can not be explained by anything else than God being behind it.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them. 1 Corinthians 2:14. See also 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. I copy below just one supposed Bible Contradiction from the list given in blue above.
All the supposed contradictions, inconsistencies, errors, that people present have explanations to show God's Word is accurate and trustworthy.
The Apostle Paul was directly quoting Genesis 22 which labels Isaac as Abraham's only begotten son.So even if those are explanations are written outside The Bible you feel they are God inspired as well ?
GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.
And someone explains this really was his janitor being rowdy so one his sons wasn’t really his. This makes up for lack of consistency?