Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful Israel

[Truth7t7]

The "man of sin" of Paul's era has come and gone around 2000 years ago.
The "man of sin" of OUR era is the supreme "Beast" of Revelation 13->forward.

The Revelation connects the Beast and the Great harlot.

If a person sees the Beast is a man and correctly IDs the Great harlot,
then one is in position to ID the supreme Beast by name.

One man in recent history fits the Revelation description of the supreme Beast.

Some most significant secrets are hidden in plain sight.

Please were all in suspense?

Who is the supreme beast, tell us the secret wisdom?

 

[John Prewett]

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I'm interested in how you would interpret these symbols.......

Please were all in suspense?
Who is the supreme beast, tell us the secret wisdom?

The following verses are singled out of the Revelation to make this point:

The beast is a Satan powered king [therefore a man],
who has had a terrible head wound, has disappeared,
and will publicly reappear, and amaze the world.


Revelation chapter 13

13v1'....I saw a beast coming out of the sea...'

13v2'. ...dragon gave him his power...'

13V3'... .and I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed.....'

13v7'....authority over every tribe and people. ....... was given him....

13V12'...and he [beast from earth] makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life....'


Revelation chapter 17

17v3'. ..and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names,

having 7 heads and 10 horns.....'

17v8'....the beast that you saw was and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth will wonder, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast

that he WAS and IS NOT and WILL COME ....'

17v11'...and the beast that was and is not, is himself also an eighth [king]

and is one of the seven...'


Based on detailed, unique, visible, verifiable prophecy/Revelation fulfillment,

I assert/declare that the Vatican is the great harlot of the Revelation,

Therefore I further assert the beast is Roman Catholic.


Can you think of a world famous Roman Catholic who has had a world famous

terrible head wound under extremely mysterious circumstances?


I predict/prophecy in Jesus name that John F. Kennedy will publicly reappear,

amaze the world, take world power, and is in fact the beast of the Revelation.


This fulfillment will confirm the truth of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

This fulfillment will confirm the truth of Jesus Christ the living Lord & Savior.


KISSINGER and 666 Note there are two beasts of Revelation 13.


One from the sea.The other from the land. One is a Gentile. The other is a Jew.

English is the world's single most widespread language:


A= 1 x 6 = 6, B = 2 x 6 = 12, C = 3 x 6 = 18, D = 4 x 6 = 24, E = 5 x 6 = 30, etc.


K= 66

I= 54

S= 114

S= 114

I = 54

N= 84

G= 42

E= 30

R= 108

+ 666


Kissinger's name equates to '666' by a simple formula.

Kissinger is Jewish

Kissinger is Papal adviser and premier "world statesman'

Kissinger documented evil NWOrder leader

So: Re- Vatican, JFK, and KISSINGER

The question becomes-


Would Jesus Christ allow such literal fulfillment to occur coincidentally?

I say NO, Jesus would not.


Therefore I am COMPELLED to believe that it is prophecy fulfillment in progress.


The confirmation of my contention will be the public and literal reappearance of JFK

who will take world power with Kissinger at his side.


I urge anyone to personally study and heed the entire Revelation.

Early in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, God promises to bless anyone who reads or hears the Revelation and heeds it.


'...for the time is near'...'


'....and the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast...'


wait and see....


Call on Jesus Read and HEED His Revelation!


The Lord once said, 'Surely, just as I have intended, so it has happened,

and just as I have planned, so it will stand......'


Isaiah 14:24



SLINGING SEEDS


JFK: Sexual sociopath and political faker

 

[Truth7t7]

The following verses are singled out of the Revelation to make this point:

The beast is a Satan powered king [therefore a man],
who has had a terrible head wound, has disappeared,
and will publicly reappear, and amaze the world.


Revelation chapter 13

13v1'....I saw a beast coming out of the sea...'

13v2'. ...dragon gave him his power...'

13V3'... .and I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed.....'

13v7'....authority over every tribe and people. ....... was given him....

13V12'...and he [beast from earth] makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life....'


Revelation chapter 17

17v3'. ..and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names,

having 7 heads and 10 horns.....'

17v8'....the beast that you saw was and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth will wonder, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast

that he WAS and IS NOT and WILL COME ....'

17v11'...and the beast that was and is not, is himself also an eighth [king]

and is one of the seven...'


Based on detailed, unique, visible, verifiable prophecy/Revelation fulfillment,

I assert/declare that the Vatican is the great harlot of the Revelation,

Therefore I further assert the beast is Roman Catholic.


Can you think of a world famous Roman Catholic who has had a world famous

terrible head wound under extremely mysterious circumstances?


I predict/prophecy in Jesus name that John F. Kennedy will publicly reappear,

amaze the world, take world power, and is in fact the beast of the Revelation.


This fulfillment will confirm the truth of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

This fulfillment will confirm the truth of Jesus Christ the living Lord & Savior.


KISSINGER and 666 Note there are two beasts of Revelation 13.


One from the sea.The other from the land. One is a Gentile. The other is a Jew.

English is the world's single most widespread language:


A= 1 x 6 = 6, B = 2 x 6 = 12, C = 3 x 6 = 18, D = 4 x 6 = 24, E = 5 x 6 = 30, etc.


K= 66

I= 54

S= 114

S= 114

I = 54

N= 84

G= 42

E= 30

R= 108

+ 666


Kissinger's name equates to '666' by a simple formula.

Kissinger is Jewish

Kissinger is Papal adviser and premier "world statesman'

Kissinger documented evil NWOrder leader

So: Re- Vatican, JFK, and KISSINGER

The question becomes-


Would Jesus Christ allow such literal fulfillment to occur coincidentally?

I say NO, Jesus would not.


Therefore I am COMPELLED to believe that it is prophecy fulfillment in progress.


The confirmation of my contention will be the public and literal reappearance of JFK

who will take world power with Kissinger at his side.


I urge anyone to personally study and heed the entire Revelation.

Early in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, God promises to bless anyone who reads or hears the Revelation and heeds it.


'...for the time is near'...'


'....and the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast...'


wait and see....


Call on Jesus Read and HEED His Revelation!


The Lord once said, 'Surely, just as I have intended, so it has happened,

and just as I have planned, so it will stand......'


Isaiah 14:24



SLINGING SEEDS


JFK: Sexual sociopath and political faker

Well JFK and Kissinger are dead?

How did God reveal this to you, by a dream or vision?

 

[John Prewett]

Well JFK and Kissinger are dead?
How did God reveal this to you, by a dream or vision?

For starters, Kissinger is not even claimed to be dead.

We see JFK differently because currently you believe the Government/Media.
Whereas I believe the Revelation. Most pertinently Revelation 13->forward.

Would Jesus Christ allow such literal fulfillment to occur coincidentally?
I say NO, Jesus would not.
Therefore I am COMPELLED to believe that it is prophecy fulfillment in progress.

 

[Truth7t7]

For starters, Kissinger is not even claimed to be dead.

We see JFK differently because currently you believe the Government/Media.
Whereas I believe the Revelation. Most pertinently Revelation 13->forward.

Would Jesus Christ allow such literal fulfillment to occur coincidentally?
I say NO, Jesus would not.
Therefore I am COMPELLED to believe that it is prophecy fulfillment in progress.

I looked up Kissinger, JFK is dead?

Don't ya think Kissinger is stepping on a banna peal right now, I checked his pictures out, looks frail as a potato chip.

A 94 year old leading the world?

I do agree the future antichrist will be a Jew.

 

[John Prewett]

I looked up Kissinger, JFK is dead?
Don't ya think Kissinger is stepping on a banna peal right now,
I checked his pictures out, looks frail as a potato chip.
A 94 year old leading the world?
I do agree the future antichrist will be a Jew.

23 The same day the Sadducees, who say that there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, 24 “Teacher, Moses said, ‘If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry his wife and raise up children for his brother.’.......... Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife shall she be of the seven? For they all had her.” 29 Jesus answered, “You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Truth7t7, currently,
“You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God."

The chronological age of Kissinger and JFK DOES NOT MATTER

 

[John Prewett]

.............I do agree the future antichrist will be a Jew.

Subordinate Beast is a Jew. Supreme Beast is a Roman Catholic.

 

[David Kent]

The temple of God Paul was talking about in 2 Thess.2 is not the Church. The Ephesians spiritual temple idea is based on the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, with Christ as The Chief Cornerstone and cannot be corrupted by a false one claiming to be God. Any believer that wrongly bows to an idol or false messiah cuts their self off from the spiritual temple (Christ's Church).

The Apostate Jews were still Jews. Jesus said The pharisees sit in Moses' seat and today the Pope sits in Christ's seat.

 

[David Kent]

I consider your point to be pointless.
Of course there have been "multiple Anti-Christs in history."
"Anti-Christ ... anti-God ... anti-God's people" .... all the same

Not all the same. The way we use the word anti, against is only one of the meanings. The way it is used in scripture is in place of, not against.The pope calling himself Vicar of Christ is calling saying he is In place of Christ, or vice Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not all the same. The way we use therd anti, against is only one of the meanings. The way it is used in scripture is in place of, not against.The pope calling himself Vicar of Christ is calling saying he is In place of Christ, or vice Christ.

The Jews Are Waiting Upon Their Messiah?

The Bible Is Stuffed Full Of Scripture Stating This Future Antichrist Will Deceive The Jews?

You Think The Jews Are Gonna Receive A Roman Catholic, Let Alone The Pope As Their Long Awaited For Messiah?

Jews Hate Catholics, Who Were Instrumental In Aiding The Nazis during The Holocaust.

The Jews Are Waiting For A Jew, Claiming To Be From The Lineage Of King David.

Will The Future Antichrist Be A Catholic?

Not A Chance!

 

[John Prewett]

The Jews Are Waiting Upon Their Messiah?
The Bible Is Stuffed Full Of Scripture Stating This Future Antichrist Will Deceive The Jews?
You Think The Jews Are Gonna Receive A Roman Catholic, Let Alone The Pope As Their Long Awaited For Messiah? Jews Hate Catholics, Who Were Instrumental In Aiding The Nazis during The Holocaust.
The Jews Are Waiting For A Jew, Claiming To Be From The Lineage Of King David.
Will The Future Antichrist Be A Catholic? Not A Chance!

You really currently ignore the Revelation.

The future supreme BEAST will have been a Roman Catholic.
The subordinate BEAST will be a Jew.
SOME Jews will end up worshiping the Beast/image and will take the "mark"
SOME Jews will be converted and saved by Jesus
(and will not worship Beast/image and will not take the "mark).
same as
SOME Gentiles will worship the Beast/image and will take the "mark"
SOME Gentiles will be saved by Jesus
(and will not worship Beast/image and will not take the "mark).

If one will just heed the GOD-SENT Revelation, it's rather simple.

 

[Douggg]

Not all the same. The way we use the word anti, against is only one of the meanings. The way it is used in scripture is in place of, not against.The pope calling himself Vicar of Christ is calling saying he is In place of Christ, or vice Christ.

David the person is not called the Antichrist in Revelation, but the beast. The reason is on the 7 year timeline, the last 42 months in Revelation 13 the person is no longer in the role of being the Antichrist.

Yes, on the instead of and against Jesus - but not instead of being the head of the church.

The instead of and against - is that the person will be anointed the King of israel, instead of and against Jesus, the rightful King of Israel.

In Revelaton 6, the rider on the white horse is given a crown - that crown represents being anointed the King of Israel.

When the person, during his reign as the perceived messiah King of Israel, betrays the Jews and the Mt. Sinai coveant he confirms to begin the 7 years (as required by Moses of all future leaders on Israel), by going into the temple sitting claiming to be God - that ends his time as the Antichrist.

God has him killed for his audacious act. In Ezekiel 28:1-10, it says God sends strangers against him, who kill him. Essentially war breaks out when he claims to be God. The rider on the red horse takes peace from the earth. The peace will have been when the Jews and the world will have thought they were living in the messianic age, having taken the Antichrist as their messiah King.

After the person is killed and finds himself in hell in Isaiah 14, God in disdain for him brings him back alive, comparing him as an abominable branch - he will be a Jew. Jesus is the righteous branch. Because the person destroys his land (betraying the covenant that God would be God of Israel) and his people. He persecutes the Jews because they reject him and his claim of being God.

When the person comes back to life - he is no longer in the role of being the Antichrist, but the beast. It has nothing to do with being a substitute for Jesus being the head of the church - at any time.

The term Christ - does not assert head of the church, but the King of Israel. This is indicated in John 12:13 and Mark 15:31-32, by both Jesus's followers and them who were his enemies.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

The concept that the Pope is the Antichrist/Beast/False Prophet, the different variation thereof - is a carry over belief from the time of the reformers which they suffered tremendous persecution from the Vatican and hierarchy.

But the end time prophecies come into effect when Israel is a nation again - which the Pope can never be embraced by the Jews as their messiah - because he is not of the right religion, Judaism, and is not a Jew, with a claim to be a blood descendant of David.

 

[Douggg]

You really currently ignore the Revelation.

The future supreme BEAST will have been a Roman Catholic.
The subordinate BEAST will be a Jew.
SOME Jews will end up worshiping the Beast/image and will take the "mark"
SOME Jews will be converted and saved by Jesus
(and will not worship Beast/image and will not take the "mark).
same as
SOME Gentiles will worship the Beast/image and will take the "mark"
SOME Gentiles will be saved by Jesus
(and will not worship Beast/image and will not take the "mark).

If one will just heed the GOD-SENT Revelation, it's rather simple.

John, I would suggest you read my post 472 in this thread. Being the beast has nothing to do with the Pope or the RCC.

John F. Kennedy is not a Jew, and is not qualified to become the Antichrist, and later the beast.

John, you are taking parts of Revelation, and using some creative thinking that the beast is John F. Kennedy brought back to life. Long time ago, I did similar thinking the beast could be a clone remake of Adolph Hitler. But the more I learned, it became apparent that those notions and ideas although built on a desire to think of a way Revelation 13 could happen, were completely misplaced.

I am not questioning your motivation, but you are not factoring all the information or even key parts of it - because you just don't know about the other information, aware of it. I can tell by reading your posts. My intentions are not to criticize you. But to expand your knowledge base. I can relate to both your age and your desire to understand Revelation.

You need to research on what it takes to be "the" Christ. What the disciples thought, and what Jews today still think. I would suggest going to this link and read up on what the Jews expect of their "mashiach".
Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

How I became aware of all this information is that I began posting at Jewish countermissionary sites (counter Christian missionary sites) to argue with them about Jesus being the messiah.

The result was after over ten years and 4500 posts back and forth, I learned a lot about their beliefs, and subsequently it became apparent what the Antichrist would be - because I learned what the term Christ actually meant.

Anyone in a purely Christian background automatically defaults to thinking Christ means Lord and Savior - because certainly Jesus is our Lord and Savior. But it is not thought of by Christians- as Jesus being the rightful King of Israel. So we don't consider the Anti Christ as being someone who become the King of Israel - instead of Jesus.

What Christians have in their background is the persecution of the reformers by the Vatican and hierarchy. So the tendency, by many Christians, is to carry over that persecution, reasoning that the Pope is the Antichrist, beast, False Prophet, different variations thereof.

You are fitting in John F. Kennedy, because of the mortal wound, considering that it was to the head. And that JFK was a Catholic.

But you have come up with this notion without being aware of other factors regarding the messiah, and the different roles the person who becomes the Antichrist goes through - which he is not always in the role of being the Antichrist.

He initially has to be the leader of the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire. In the end times, the Roman Empire, that part of the world, is the EU, containing Rome. Which JFK is not a fit. The person has to come from the people who destroyed the temple and city.

The person has to be descended from the 6 historical leaders of Rome, the Julio-Claudians, that bloodline, Revelation 17:10. The person also has to be a Jew. JFK, even if he were brought back to life after 60 years does not qualify.

To nail the Antichrist, think what it would take for the Jews to think that the person is their long awaited mashiach, how they will be fooled for a while.

 

[Postvieww]

Wow, I’ve been trying to catch up on these posts and I am finding little agreement on this thread about anything everyone is right and everyone is wrong.


Let me throw out a couple of points (for now).


I respectfully ask the scholars here to agree or refute with scripture my two claims.


1. The entire story of the Bible, God’s plan, is Middle East centered with Israel and Jerusalem being the main focus. Not the USA, Europe, Russia, or New York, Rome or Moscow.


2. Every nation named by name in the scripture that is destroyed by God in the end times is Middle Eastern nations more specifically predominantly Muslim nations.





PS No way is JFK is the antichrist.

 

[Postvieww]

The future supreme BEAST will have been a Roman Catholic.
The subordinate BEAST will be a Jew.

Can you support these claims with scripture?

 

[John Prewett]

Can you support these claims with scripture?

My post # 462 (scroll above) reveals why I believe what I believe.
Only JFK emerging with Kissinger at his side will vindicate me.

Douggg: I read your post 472 and am confident it is riddled with error.
I'm confident the Supreme Beast will be a Roman Catholic because the Supreme Beast is connected to the Great harlot in Rev 17 (Great harlot rides the Beast). I'm well aware JFK was not a Jew .....

 

[parousia70]

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Context here is the day of the Lord, the end times.

Rather, There have been SEVERAL "Day of the Lord" events In Israel's History. The one here in Isaiah referrs to the Derstruction of ancient Babylon by Medeo Persia:

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

Indeed, this particular "day of the Lord" is an Historical event that took place in 539 BC when the Medes Destroyed Babylon.
This is NOT Future to us.

 

[parousia70]

There are no priests or cardinals in the Christian Church.

The Church of scripture is one united ecclesial body (Eph 4:3-4; Eph 4:13-16; Jn 17:21; Mt 16:18) without schismatic divisions (1 Cor 12:25; Rom 16:17; 1 Cor 1:10; Jude 1:19; Gal 5:20; 3 John 1:9-10), with one teaching for all the churches (Acts 15:22-23,25,28/Acts 16:4-5; 1 Tim 1:3; 1 Cor 1:10; Eph 4:5; Jude 1:3), and one bishopric authorized of and by the apostles (Titus 1:5) by the laying on of hands in ordination (Heb 6:2; 2 Tim 1:6; 1 Tim 4:14; Titus 1:5), sharing ministers back and forth among all churches (1 Cor 16:3; Rom 16:1,3,9,21,23; Phil 2:19,25; Titus 3:12), receiving one another in fellowship and in greeting (Rom 15:5-7; Rom 16:16; Col 4:10,12,14; 3 John 1:9-10), where excommunication removes individuals from this one body (Matt 18:17; 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,4-5), and which existed from St. Peter and the apostles unto today (Matt 16:18-19; Eph 3:21).

 

[parousia70]

I have shown previously how the descriptions in Revelation 18 do not point to Jerusalem.

And I have shown they do.
In fact I'll show it again:

MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:22-23
...and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 25:10-11
Moreover I WILL TAKE FROM THEM the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment;

 

[parousia70]

Show your proof from Revelation. We can’t define "great city" outside of revelation, let’s be consistent.

Then why are you appealing to Great Cities outside of Revelation here:

There are other “great cities” in scripture as I have previously listed.

If you are going to create a rule that the rest of us must follow, shouldn't you follow it yourself?
Or are you the exception?