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[LoveofTruth]

My Lord does divide Himself as bread and fruit of the vine (Matthew 26:26). My Lord says that He is food (John 6:55).

You misunderstand what I mean

We don’t know Christ after the flesh now and to say there he is or there he is on that altar is not scriptural.

Matthew 24 - 23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.”

2 Corinthians 5 - 16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”

And

Hebrews 10 - 12. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;”


1 Corinthians 1 - 13. Is Christ divided?...”

 

[LoveofTruth]

Thank you, but I'm already thoroughly knowledgeable about this heresy you've embraced and all of the Scriptures that the demons who invented it provide to those whom they have convinced to ascribe to it.

But you are horribly mistaken. The Living Christ is present in the very meal of bread and wine that he imparts to us while He is present with us in our Eucharistic gathering. He is there, where two or more of us are gathered in His name, in the midst of us, imparting to us His most pure body and His most precious blood, just as He did with His disciples at the last supper. This Communion really is the participation in His body and blood (1 Corinthians 10:16). It is also a commemoration of Christ (i.e. do this in remembrance of me). But it is far more than that. It is a "profound mystery", which the mind can never comprehend.

By this heresy of yours, you have denied the mystery and replaced it instead with a mere rational construct. The Divine mystery to be experienced and not understood is now become for you only an abstract concept, defined within your brain. You have circumscribed the un-circumscribable God, instead of experiencing God in the "profound mystery" of Communion.

You ought to know better than this. I thought you were a Christian who knows Scripture and is spiritually discerned.

Christ comes in the heart by faith. This is the Spirit of the Son in our hearts.

Galatians 4 - 6. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”

Sad to say you are in the heresy and beware of idolatry

 

[truefiction1]

Christ comes in the heart by faith. This is the Spirit of the Son in our hearts.

Galatians 4 - 6. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”

Well, no kidding? God dwells in my heart by faith and obedience (John 14:23), this is how I know that I eat His flesh and drink His blood (John 14:21) as bread and wine. I wouldn't teach that the bread and wine of the Orthodox Eucharist is indeed the body and blood of Christ if this had not been revealed to me by God the Holy Spirit. You are confused about what we do in Communion. You think that we believe that God is confined in the bread and wine. Not so, the exulted Christ is boundless, everywhere present, and fills all things. We do not worship bread and wine. We worship God Who is inconceivable and incomprehensible. God is inconceivably and incomprehensibly present in the bread and wine of Communion. This is what the Christ teaches in His Gospel. "This is a profound MYSTERY" (Ephesians 5:32). Yet you call it idolatry. It is the work of the Holy Spirit. Yet you are calling it evil. Beware of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

 

[truefiction1]

Christ comes in the heart by faith. This is the Spirit of the Son in our hearts.

Galatians 4 - 6. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”

Sad to say you are in the heresy and beware of idolatry

Refer again to my post #246

 

[LoveofTruth]

is it not so that you've succumbed to prelest so as to be wrestled away from the "profound mystery" of which the Apostle Paul points to in (Ephesians 5:32) before ever having experienced it for yourself? Don't you think that maybe you ought to consider this possibility, seeing as how we do not wrestle with "flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms" ? (Ephesians 6:13)

I have been freed from the harlot for a long time now almost 30 years and I am fully aware of such and the many daughters she has.

I do not go by the so called "church fathers" or man made traditions, but in the Spirit and with scripture and the body ministry.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Well, no kidding? God dwells in my heart by faith and obedience (John 14:23), this is how I know that I eat His flesh and drink His blood (John 14:21) as bread and wine. I wouldn't teach that the bread and wine of the Orthodox Eucharist is indeed the body and blood of Christ if this had not been revealed to me by God the Holy Spirit. You are confused about what we do in Communion. You think that we believe that God is confined in the bread and wine. Not so, the exulted Christ is boundless, everywhere present, and fills all things. We do not worship bread and wine. We worship God Who is inconceivable and incomprehensible. God is inconceivably and incomprehensibly present in the bread and wine of Communion. This is what the Christ teaches in His Gospel. "This is a profound MYSTERY" (Ephesians 5:32). Yet you call it idolatry. It is the work of the Holy Spirit. Yet you are calling it evil. Beware of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

wWorshiping bread is idolatry even if you say it is not bread, and try to invent some words of men to explain it away. Jesus rebuked his disciples for thinking he meant bread when he told them to beware the leaven of the pharisees, he was speaking of their doctrines.

He also corrected any who would have thought he meant to eat his flesh and drink his blood was physical, when he said "the flesh profiteth nothing, the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life" Every true believer is born again by the word of God. This is the seed that is sown in the heart.

No man needs to eat physical bread yo have Christ dwell in his heart. This comes by faith. The supper was done in "remembrance" of him. Plain and simple to make bread God and the fruit of the vine literal blood is not scriptural.

Paul said

"this bread which we break"

you are reproved by one verse here it is

"...The bread which we break..."(1 Cor 10:16 KJV)

and how do you understand this verse?

1 Corinthians 10:17
"For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread."

 

[LoveofTruth]

The Christ said exactly what He said. He did not say "This bread represents my body and that which is in this cup represents my blood". He said "This is my body, and this is my blood". If you don't accept and obey what He says then you are denying Him and have chosen to follow after an antichrist, as described here: "there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies that even deny the Master who bought them" (2 Peter 2:2). And here: "Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 1:9). And here: "... many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist." (I bolded this saying especially, because your heresy of denying the real presence of Christ in the flesh in the Eucahristic meal is very closely related to the spiritual affliction that produced this gnostic heresy of old).(2 John 1:7).

But this is how we know that your not at this time a follower of my Lord, but are as described here : "They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us. You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth." (1 John 2:19-20)

With this heresy of yours, you have joined your spiritual kin as described here:

"From that time on, many of His disciples turned back and no longer accompanied Him." (John 6:66)
Note the numerical coincidence. Is it not the number of Anti-Christ? These disciples would not eat the flesh of our Lord or drink His blood. Just like you.

are you trying to imply in your error and heresy that anyone in christendom who does not acknowledge that your God is a piece of bread on an altar being sacrificed by a priest over and over , that they are blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

wow you just damned most of Christendom. And all the saints before you including Paul , Peter and all the new testament writers

beware, you are in great danger spiritually.

I do not deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. But the Jesus you have is another Jesus warned of in scripture.

But you fight against all the scriptures i showed you and have no real response to many of them.

 

[LoveofTruth]

The Christ said exactly what He said. He did not say "This bread represents my body and that which is in this cup represents my blood". He said "This is my body, and this is my blood". If you don't accept and obey what He says then you are denying Him and have chosen to follow after an antichrist,

Jesus said

"I am the door" is he literally a door? if you take him literally then you confound yourself.

Jesus spoke in a parable to the crowds and he often spoke very deep spiritual truths. You confound his words when you say the believers are to eat his literal flesh with their mouths and drink his literal blood, when I showed you that drinking blood was forbidden in scripture.

Jesus said, "I am the true vine", is Jesus literally a vine?

you confound yourself over and over. But the sad thing is you really think your right and you think you are defending the teachings of the apostles and writers of the new testament.

But you aren't.

Jesus said "I am the light of the world" if you take that in the literal sense, then Jesus is the Sun in the sky and you would be a Sun worshipper.

Jesus said , right after telling men to eat his flesh and drink His blood,

"63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."( John 6:63 KJV)

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."(notice, no eating food and drinking here) and "35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."( John 6:35

Hearing of faith is how to have life and the Spirit. Not by the works of the law or of the flesh, or of man made sacraments.

Paul says

"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"( Galatians 3:1-5 KJV)

consider and repent

 

[LoveofTruth]

To all

Jesus warned to beware of those who go about in long robes and called of men father and rabbi etc. He warned of this for a reason.

Luke 20:46
"Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;"

The simple fishermen of Jesus day were just that simple, modest, humble.

beware...

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[truefiction1]

Jesus said

"I am the door" is he literally a door? if you take him literally then you confound yourself.

Jesus spoke in a parable to the crowds and he often spoke very deep spiritual truths. You confound his words when you say the believers are to eat his literal flesh with their mouths and drink his literal blood, when I showed you that drinking blood was forbidden in scripture.

Jesus said, "I am the true vine", is Jesus literally a vine?

you confound yourself over and over. But the sad thing is you really think your right and you think you are defending the teachings of the apostles and writers of the new testament.

But you aren't.

Jesus said "I am the light of the world" if you take that in the literal sense, then Jesus is the Sun in the sky and you would be a Sun worshipper.

Jesus said , right after telling men to eat his flesh and drink His blood,

"63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."( John 6:63 KJV)

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."(notice, no eating food and drinking here) and "35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."( John 6:35

Hearing of faith is how to have life and the Spirit. Not by the works of the law or of the flesh, or of man made sacraments.

Paul says

"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"( Galatians 3:1-5 KJV)

consider and repent

Jesus really is the door, and He really is the true vine, He really is the Good Shepherd. All of these titles are what He really is. The language He uses is metaphorical, and so points to a Truth and reality known only be personal Communion between our spirit and the Spirit of God. Are you saying that Jesus in "not really the door", not "really the True Vine", and "not really the Good Shepherd"? If this is your teaching, then I disagree with it as well.

 

[truefiction1]

To all

Jesus warned to beware of those who go about in long robes and called of men father and rabbi etc. He warned of this for a reason.

Luke 20:46
"Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;"

The simple fishermen of Jesus day were just that simple, modest, humble.

beware...

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He said to beware of being a hypocrite. Being a hypocrite is very easy to do, so there are a lot of hypocrites. What does this have to do with eating His flesh and drinking His blood? Nothing.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Jesus really is the door, and He really is the true vine, He really is the Good Shepherd. All of these titles are what He really is. The language He uses is metaphorical, and so points to a Truth and reality known only be personal Communion between our spirit and the Spirit of God. Are you saying that Jesus in "not really the door", not "really the True Vine", and "not really the Good Shepherd"? If this is your teaching, then I disagree with it as well.

I was just going back to my original post and exposing the long robed men as Jesus did. These men in long robes and priest gowns today set themselves up in wrong authority over others and the robes create a false pretens of authority

 

[LoveofTruth]

Jesus really is the door, and He really is the true vine, He really is the Good Shepherd. All of these titles are what He really is. The language He uses is metaphorical, and so points to a Truth and reality known only be personal Communion between our spirit and the Spirit of God. Are you saying that Jesus in "not really the door", not "really the True Vine", and "not really the Good Shepherd"? If this is your teaching, then I disagree with it as well.

Jesus said this one time,
How is it that you don’t understand?

I am speaking of Jesus not being a literal door or vine. Are to saying he is? He said he is the door and true vine. If we take what he said literally and carnally as you do when he said this is my blood which is (present tense) shed for you . Then you create confusion and mss the spiritual truth.

 

[truefiction1]

Jesus said this one time,
How is it that you don’t understand?

I am speaking of Jesus not being a literal door or vine. Are to saying he is? He said he is the door and true vine. If we take what he said literally and carnally as you do when he said this is my blood which is (present tense) shed for you . Then you create confusion and mss the spiritual truth.

This is where there is such a huge disconnect between how you think about Scripture and how we see by the Light of the Holy Spirit into the mysteries being pointed at in the language of my Lord. Jesus says "I am the door", and I understand that He "really is" the door. His being the door is a mystery beyond mental comprehension. You see only a literal object (a door) and think that he is not really the door, but is only using the word to represent something spiritual. I see a spiritual reality being pointed to by the metaphorical word which cannot ever really be defined by the word door. God is known only through encountering his Divine energies, not by rational (literal) thought processes. His Holiness defies thought and can only be communicated through the connecting of His Spirit with our own spirit. This is what happens in the profound Mystery between Christ and His Church. Everything Christ says points to this profound Mystery of Communion. Bread and wine being body and blood is the Mystery of Communion, and it really is Him in the bread and wine Who we are joined to as in Marriage, where we become one flesh with the Bridegroom.

 

[LoveofTruth]

This is where there is such a huge disconnect between how you think about Scripture and how I see by the Light of the Holy Spirit into the mysteries being pointed at in the language of my Lord. Jesus says "I am the door", and I understand that He "really is" the door. His being the door is a mystery beyond mental comprehension. You see only a literal object (a door) and think that he is not really the door, but is only using the word to represent something spiritual. I see a spiritual reality being pointed to by the metaphorical word which cannot ever really be defined by the word door. God is known only through encountering his Divine energies, not by rational (literal) thought processes. His Holiness defies thought and can only be communicated through the connecting of His Spirit with our own spirit. This is what happens in the profound Mystery between Christ and His Church. Everything Christ says points to the profound Mystery of Communion.

I see Jesus as the door and the vine but only in a symbolic, typological way, not a literal way as you do. He is the door in a very deep spiritual way and the vine. He is the life in every believer as we are connected to him and abide in Him. The image of a branch connected to the vine or broken off the vine creates a picture image of the reality in the spirit. But the vine is just that a type or shadow, not the reality. To say for a second that jesus is a literal vine and to have a vine in our gatherings and adore it and bow down to it in any way would be idolatry of the highest order. Paul warns of such and says ,

"25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."(Romans 1:25 KJV)

If a person thinks in the extreme literal way you do, they would say that when Jesus says "this is my blood of the new testament" that the cup of the fruit of the vine was literally blood. That is where you go off into error and miss Jesus meaning and create idolatry and other errors.

When Jesus says things like "go and tell that fox", or "eat my flesh and drink my blood", or "I am the door" etc. He is speaking using physical earthly things to typologocally represent a spiritual reality. But the things itself is not the reality. Even the lamb slain for sin was a type of Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. But Jesus is not a literal lamb. He is symbolically shown that way but he is a man, and had to be fully God and fully man.

There are many shadows and types of spiritual truth.

But it can safely be said that when Jesus said to some that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood , if they grabbed him and tore him to pieces and ate his literal flesh and drank his blood literally, that would have not helped them one bit. In fact it would have damned them.

Hebrews 10:1
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 

[truefiction1]

God cannot be known by thinking about God. God can be known only be known by the mysterious encounter of our own spirit with His Holy Spirit. But the "hard sayings" (Holy Mysteries) he speaks of are to be taken at His word as "really True", and to be believed on by faith that He is the Son of God and has the words of Eternal Life. He said "My flesh is meat indeed" and "My blood is drink indeed". It was a "hard saying" and many stopped following Him because of this saying. He asked His disciples "Are you not also going to leave?" They answered "Lord, where else would we go? You have the words of Eternal Life." Is it so hard to just believe Who has the words of Eternal Life that some try to alter His words? Apparently so. I will believe His words just as He spoke them, because He is truly the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and all of His sayings are the Truth -- really.

 

[truefiction1]

I see Jesus as the door and the vine but only in a symbolic, typological way, not a literal way as you do. He is the door in a very deep spiritual way and the vine. He is the life in every believer as we are connected to him and abide in Him. The image of a branch connected to the vine or broken off the vine creates a picture image of the reality in the spirit. But the vine is just that a type or shadow, not the reality. To say for a second that jesus is a literal vine and to have a vine in our gatherings and adore it and bow down to it in any way would be idolatry of the highest order. Paul warns of such and says ,

"25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."(Romans 1:25 KJV)

If a person thinks in the extreme literal way you do, they would say that when jesus says "this is my blood of the new testament" that the cup of the fruit of the vine was literally blood. That is where you go off into error and miss Jesus meaning and create idolatry and other errors.

When Jesus says things like "go and tell that fox", or "eat my flesh and drink my blood", or "I am the door" etc. He is speaking using physical earthly things to typologocally represent a spiritual reality. But the things itself is not the reality. Even the lamb slain for sin was a type of Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. But Jesus is not a literal lamb. He is symbolically shown that way but he is a man, and had to be fully God and fully man.

There are many shadows and types of spiritual truth.

But it can safely be said that when Jesus said to some that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood , if they grabbed him and tore him to pieces and ate his literal flesh and drank his blood literally, that would have not helped them one bit. In fact it would have damned them.

Hebrews 10:1
"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

It is you who is so literal that you can't accept Jesus' saying about his flesh and blood as true. If you can't define it with literal abstract concepts, it therefor cannot be true to you. You're rejecting a God Whom your mind cannot comprehend, because you have allowed your own mind, or intellect, to become your god. This is prelest, and it is the absolute worst form of it, from which hardly anyone ever recovers because it's impossible for such a one to ever be convinced that their mind (their god) can fail to define anything at all -- even God. Rightly does the prophet Isaiah speak to this condition (Isaiah 5:21).

FYI, Jesus "really is" the Lamb, slain before the foundation of the world. The Bible says He is the Lamb of God, so this is exactly what He is. In the Kingdom of Heaven He is all of these things which are said of Him - REALLY, not figuratively. You can't see it because of this: (John 9:41)

 

[LoveofTruth]

God cannot be known by thinking about God. God can be known only be known by the mysterious encounter of our own spirit with His Holy Spirit. But the "hard sayings" (Holy Mysteries) he speaks of are to be taken at His word as "really True", and to be believed on by faith that He is the Son of God and has the words of Eternal Life. He said "My flesh is meat indeed" and "My blood is drink indeed". It was a "hard saying" and many stopped following Him because of this saying. He asked His disciples "Are you not also going to leave?" They answered "Lord, where else would we go? You have the words of Eternal Life." Is it so hard to just believe Who has the words of Eternal Life that some try to alter His words? Apparently so. I will believe His words just as He spoke them, because He is truly the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and all of His sayings are the Truth -- really.

again I remind you of a story of Jesus with the disciples. If you think the way you do, Jesus would have rebuked you as he did them

"14 Now the disciples had forgotten to take bread, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf. 15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?"( Mark 8:14-18 KJV)

Jesus was speaking of the pharisees doctrine, not literal bread. But they took it literally.

 

[truefiction1]

again I remind you of a story of Jesus with the disciples. If you think the way you do, Jesus would have rebuked you as he did them

"14 Now the disciples had forgotten to take bread, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf. 15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?"( Mark 8:14-18 KJV)

Jesus was speaking of the pharisees doctrine, not literal bread. But they took it literally.

Not so. Jesus knew that only those who receive the Kingdom of God as a little child will receive it. I think as a child who believes what Jesus says without question. You, on the other hand, must explain what He said in a way that your adult mind can make sense of it before you will believe Him. Hence, I receive the Kingdom of God (in the Holy Spirit), while you get something else altogether.

 

[truefiction1]

are you trying to imply in your error and heresy that anyone in christendom who does not acknowledge that your God is a piece of bread on an altar being sacrificed by a priest over and over , that they are blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

wow you just damned most of Christendom. And all the saints before you including Paul , Peter and all the new testament writers

beware, you are in great danger spiritually.

I do not deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. But the Jesus you have is another Jesus warned of in scripture.

But you fight against all the scriptures i showed you and have no real response to many of them.

No. Christ's Apostles all knew that Christ is present in the bread and wine of Communion. They passed this Holy Mystery throughout the Church from the beginning until now. Paul wrote that the bread really is His body and the cup really is His blood, warning all to never profane it by not discerning the body and blood in Communion. The Holy Spirit revealed the Truth of this profound mystery to me personally as I was Communing, so that I know that I'm in no danger by denouncing any teaching that denies this Truth. This is my testimony before God and before all.

You know, I think you might truly benefit from doing some serious reading about prelest.