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  1. LoveofTruth

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    THE PASTOR KING

    The Exalted Pastor over all

    As shocking as this may seem, there is not one verse in the New Testament that speaks of a man over all the church called, “The Pastor”, who does most of the ministry, gets a regular salary and who acts as the head of the church. Rather, in the New Testament, we see the whole church ministering to one another in Christ who works effectually in all believers (Eph 4:11-16 , 1 Cor 14:26-38, 1 Peter 4:10,11) and we read of elders (plural) in every church (singular) who watch over and feed others spiritually (Acts 14:23, James 5:14, 1 Peter 5:1,2). They are not to Lord over others and control them in a supreme authority but are to be examples.

    Paul said to the church, “Not that we have dominion over your faith but are helpers ..” (2 Cor. 1:24). The word “dominion”, here means “to rule: have dominion over, lord, be lord of...(from 2962),...supreme in authority, ie (as a noun) controller. By implication, Master (as in official title..)...” (Strongs Concordance. # 2961). Jesus also warned of such a false dominion and authority over others (Matthew 20:25-27), and said “it shall not be so among you”.

    Yet in many gatherings today, this person called “The Pastor”, is exalted above all others as he stands on top a large platform behind a “pulpit”. He is the one who dominates and has preeminence over all others and does most of the speaking week after week. He generally rules in a large castle-like structure unbiblically called “the church” with lower ranked servants under him. Sometimes he has a sign outside with his name on it. Many flattering titles are given to him such as, “Reverend”, “Master of Divinity”, or “President”, and he uses expressions such as “My church” or “My people”. Scripture warns against one man in and exalted role having the preeminance over all in the church (3 John 9,10, 2 Cor 11:12,13,20, Acts 20:29-31, Col 2:8, Job 32:31,32) and Jesus said “Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ” (Matt. 23:8,10).

    Almost all of the activities in the assembly today are controlled by the Pastor and no one is permitted to speak or minister unless he allows it. There is rarely opportunity for anyone else to minister as Christ leads, for they are not on the man made programs in man’s order. Many are unaware of their freedoms in the body of Christ and even if they were, they would be afraid to speak as God leads them, fearing the disapproval and rebuke of the pastor. Many dangerously look to this one man alone for all their spiritual guidance in the assembly, rather than wait on God and to be led by the Spirit in mutual edification of one another in God’s order.

    The Modern Pastoral Role is Unbiblical

    The position that the modern Pastor holds today is unbiblical. It fights against the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:5,9, Rev. 1:6, Rom. 12:1), the mutual edification of one another in the body of Christ as He leads, (1 Cor. 14:26-38, 1 Cor 12:7, 1 Peter 4:10, 11, Col. 3:15,16, Eph. 4:16) and it hinders Gods direct leading and working in all believers in the church (Heb. 13:20,21, 1 John 2:27, Eph 4:16,21, Col 3:15,16). The role of the modern Pastor over all often quenches the spirt in the rest of the body and hinders the very function and growth of the church.

    This modern role of “The Pastor” today, sets him up to reign as a king (or Lord) over the body of Christ and exalts him (2 Cor. 11:12,20, Rom 12:3-5). His position as head of the church can usurp the headship of Christ in the meetings (Col 2:8, 19) and bind up the saints in the traditions and commandments of men that turn from the truth and fight against the commandments of the Lord (1 Cor 14:26-38, Col 2:8,19, Titus 1:14).

    Paul warned us of such serious things and said, “Beware, lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ” (Col. 2:8). The word ”spoil” implies, leading believers away and robbing them of their goods. The one modern pastor tradition does this in part and makes the word of God of no effect by this role (Mark 7:13). These controlling men don’t allow believers to edify one another in the gatherings as they are commanded to do in scripture and hinder them from being good stewards of their gifts from God (1 Cor 14:26,30,37, 38 1 Peter 4:10,11). But If any man reject God’s commands to do so they are ignorant and should not be listened to and withdrawn from (1 Cor 14:26,30,37, 2 Thess. 3:6).

    If anyone examines scripture closely they will see that this modern Pope-like figure called the “The Pastor “ today does not come from scripture but rather comes out of the worldly traditions of men, mixed with an OT priesthood and pagan traditions. It stems from the (so called) “church fathers”, such as; Ignatius of Antioch, Cyprian and others, from Constantine, a false Roman Catholic hierarchy and from reformers who retained many of the Catholic priest roles and misunderstanding of Christ headship in the body ministry.

    Many Gifts Not Just a Pastor Gift

    We read in scripture that God ”...gave gifts unto men...he gave some, apostles; and some, and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”, (Ephesians 4:8,11,12) Notice that the word, “pastors” is in the plural form. We do not find the singular one man pastor over all in the New Testament. All of these gifts are needed in the body of Christ and not just pastors. But somehow through the traditions of man, this one “pastor” gift come to dominate over all the other gifts.

    Though there are blessed pastor giftings in the body of Christ, (just as there are apostles, prophets, evangelist and teachers), the modern role of the exalted “Pastor” over all does not exist biblically and is a dangerous distortion spiritually to the church. Many of those in this unbiblical role may be true believers and loving men with sincerity and have many good qualities, Others may be seeking their own glory and reputation. But either way they are still in error in this exalted role and they still hinder the body from functioning in Christ.

    Despite the confusion of many religious forms today and the multitude of believers who gather in them, with the exalted Pastor over all, their various spiritual moments, evangelistic aspects and some good ministration seen in many of these gatherings, there is still a great problem in the churches and it must be corrected and set in God’s order.

    We see in many assemblies today a weak, dysfunctional body that plays church and cannot follow the leading of the Spirit in the assembly as good stewards in mutual edification. Instead they are forced to look at the back of each others heads and are drawn after the exalted man on the the platform. Is Jesus Christ outside of many gatherings
    today knocking and wanting to come into them and to “sup” with them (Revelation 3:16-20) and to participate with them, or is He ready to spew some out of his mouth, while they think all is well and they are rich and increased with goods and need nothing.

    The reality is, that if this modern role of the Pastor today was taken away from most assemblies they could not function and would most likely be in a fearful panic and possibly collapse. But if you take away the modern one man Pastor role over all from a true biblical church gathering, they would still be able to use their gifts and edify one another and minister as God intended in His order.

    God’s Order and Man’s Order

    God’s order in the body of Christ is His spiritual working in every part as he leads and empowers believers in all things. Though hidden from the eyes of natural men, it is there nevertheless. This order begins in the spirit and the patient waiting on God as He leads into all gifts, ministry and fruits of the Spirit and sets the order in the gatherings, (Titus 1:5, Col. 2:5, Psalm 37:23, Eph. 4:15,16, 1 Tim 3:15, 1 Cor. 14:26-37, 1 Cor. 11:34, Heb 13:20,21, 1 John 2:27). No person can know this order unless they are in Christ, and walk in the spirit. But sadly, even many christians today are drawn away from God’s order and rule in their hearts into a religious form of man’s order and the dominion of exalted leaders.

    Man’s order does not begin in the spirit, it begins in man’s carnal mind and human wisdom, and by what they know naturally ( 1 Cor 2, Jude 1:10) and is regulated by the modern pastor role, programs and traditions of men in the rudiments of the world.

    Jesus said, “I will build my church” and he is fully able to do this by his power and might, which he has been doing all along. God’s order is very different than mans order and traditions in the church.

    “Give us a King”

    There is a story in the bible where God’s people said, “Give us a King, to judge us(1 Samuel 8:6). God allowed it, but told Samuel, “they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me that I should not reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7). God also told Samuel to warn them that the king would bring them into bondage, take their goods and use them for his glory (1 Samuel 8:11-19).

    Saul also had some of the Levites killed (1 Sam. 22:17,18). The Levites being a type of the priesthood of all believers. Similarly, as Saul had them killed and they could no longer minister, so the modern one man Pastor Lord also quenches the spirit in the body and hinders or cuts off the priesthood of all believers where they can no longer minister freely.

    Today, similar to the story of Saul, you can almost hear the people cry, “Give us a Pastor, like all the other churches”, especially when they are looking for a new one. But by doing so, they may be rejecting God from reigning over them in the gatherings.

    Body Ministry to One Another

    The bible teaches that Christ is to lead in every part of the body as the head of the church, “From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love” (Ephesians 4:16). This is how Jesus Christ builds (or edifies) His church. Notice, that through Christ headship the whole body can edify one another, and not just rely on one man the Pastor. This should be allowed to happen every time the saints gather together in Christ and wait on the Lord.

    When the church comes together all can have something revealed to them and share it (1 Cor.14:30). They can also have a psalm, a doctrine, a tongue, a revelation and interpretation, (1 Cor.14:26); comfort and edify one another (1 Thess. 5:11); use all their gifts as they wait on God (Rom. 12:1-10); have a spiritual manifestation to profit all (1 Cor 12:7-); admonish one another (Rom. 15:14); teach one another (Col. 3:16); exhort one another, (Heb. 3:13); warn unruly (1Thess. 5:14); confess their faults one to one another (James 5:16); anoint the sick (James 5:14); prophesy to one another (1 Cor. 14:31); discipline erring brethren (1 Cor5:3-5, 6:1-6); pray for one another (James 5:16); lead in prayer and song (1 Cor. 14:15); have a psalm, hymn or spiritual song (Col. 3:16); any man can speak or minister as God leads (1 Peter 4:10,11). We must follow after Christ who will lead us in this way, and not follow after man-made programs and dead rituals and the exalted Pastor role that quench the Spirit.


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  2. drjean

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    Okay I see that rant :D You've made some good points but missed a very basic one: the origin of the term "pastor".

    pas·tor
    ˈpastər/
    noun
    noun: pastor; plural noun: pastors
    1. 1.
      a minister in charge of a Christian church or congregation.
      synonyms: minister, clergyman, priest, parson, cleric, chaplain, padre, ecclesiastic, man of the cloth, churchman, vicar, rector, curate, preacher, imam;
      informalreverend
      "our pastor is taking a group to Guatemala to help with disaster relief"
    verb
    verb: pastor; 3rd person present: pastors; past tense: pastored; past participle: pastored; gerund or present participle: pastoring
    1. 1.
      be pastor of (a church or a congregation).
      "he pastored Peninsula Bible Church in Palo Alto"
    Origin
    late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd,’ from past- ‘fed, grazed,’ from the verb pascere .

    WIKI says:
    [2] The term "pastor" also relates to the role of elder within the New Testament, but is not synonymous with the biblical understanding of minister. Many Protestant churches call their ministers "pastors".

    Present-day usage of the word is rooted in the Biblical metaphor of shepherding. The Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) uses the Hebrew word רעה (raʿah), which is used as a noun as in "shepherd," and as a verb as in "to tend a flock."[3] It occurs 173 times in 144 Old Testament verses and relates to the literal feeding of sheep, as in Genesis 29:7. In Jeremiah 23:4, both meanings are used (ra'ah is used for "shepherds" and "shall feed"), "And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD." (KJV).

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    Christ's Charge to Peter by Raphael, 1515. In telling Peter to feed his sheep, Christ appointed him as a pastor.
    English-language translations of the New Testament usually render the Greek noun ποιμήν (poimēn) as "shepherd" and the Greek verb ποιμαίνω (poimainō) as "feed". The two words occur a total of 29 times in the New Testament, most frequently referring to Jesus. For example, Jesus called himself the "Good Shepherd" in John 10:11. The same words in the familiar Christmas story (Luke 2) refer to literal shepherds.
     
  3. LoveofTruth

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    Hello, I dont agree with you here. And I believe you are in error.

    The word "pastor" in the Greek (as it was used in the text) means simply "poimen, -of uncertain affinity; a shepherd literally or figuratively..."

    A shepherd shows where to get food and nurtures etc. It is like believers are brought into a place, called the kingdom of God as God works in all believers and He gives some certain gifts to help the others in that good pasture. He gives pastors to show where to get food and nurture the believers in that place. He also gives teachers to instruct in that place, evangelist to bring others into that place and teach how to bring others in and share the understanding of the gospel, prophets to give the mind of God and direction in that place and apostles to lay foundations in that place and also to bring others into that place. Each of these gifts does more than I mentioned but I am giving a general understanding of how all these gifts help others in that place where God has brought all believers and all are needed in the kingdom. We see some interesting verses that may relate somewhat in Ezekiel 34:12-18, etc

    The word "pastors" appears only once in the entire New Testament in Ephesians 4:11 and it is in the plural form. Nowhere do we see this one man ministry called the "pastor" over an entire church. this came along later with the false clergy and Laity division that developed .

    The word Pastor- Poimen in Greek is different than the word "feed" in Greek. The word "feed" as it is used in 1 Peter 5:1 in Greek is "poimaino-meaning to tend or feed, like feeding cattle in a trough. The word is a different word than "pastor", poimen.

    So when Peter says this

    "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

    2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight..."(1 Peter 5:1,2)

    Notice that Peter is speaking in general to "elders". Not specific gifts among the elders. He also says that he is an elder also. This shows that elders may also be apostles as peter was an apostle " Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter..." ( Matthew 10:2 KJV). Apostles seem to touch on other ministries but we don't read of peter being called a pastor. Though at times he may have touched on that and also been a prophet and evangelist and teacher.

    This is important because if we say that the word "feed" a verb here in the KJV, is pastor, we confound the scripture. Feeding is not the noun as pastor is. The word "pastor" as a noun is found only once in the New testament.

    Paul speaks to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20 and says that the Holy Ghost made them overseers. This shows that elders are also overseers, and from 1 Peter and other places we can see that some elders may have different gifts, such as apostles, prophets evangelist, pastors and teachers. Not all are "pastors".

    Also in Acts 20 when Paul talks to them he commended them to God and the word of His grace which is able to build them up. He did not commend them to a pope like character or pastor over them. Elders plural is the biblical order, not one man called the pastor over all who quenches the gifs in other ministries if he exalts himself over all. Or if his function is placed over all and all face forward to listen only to him. All should wait on the Lord for ministry to one another as scripture commands.

    So and elder is who they are an older man or mature in the faith, an overseer is what they do, to watch over and superintend, and apostle, prophet evangelist, pastors and teachers, is some of the gifts they might have.

    Somehow this one gift came to dominate over christendom and all are pastors.
     
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  5. LoveofTruth

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    It also doesn't help to use modern understanding and definitions of pastor to prove your point. The modern understanding has gone away from the biblical pastor and elders and various gifts to focus on one gift.

    The clergy and laity division in history was a great problem and affected the church and church function under Christ headship greatly.

    But this is another long study.
     
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    Ah yes, another "the pastor is a mini pope" thread.
     
  7. LoveofTruth

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    similar. This tradition seems to have been started in the so called church fathers then strengthened with the so called "clergy and laity" division in history.

    But in scripture we read of body ministry to one another where all can use their gifts and be led by the Spirit and edify one another (1 Cor 14:256-38, 1 Peter 4:10,11, Ephesians 4:11-16, Colossians 3:15,16, Romans 12:1-8, 1 Thess 5;11, 1 Cor 12 etc etc etc)

    We also read of elders plural in every church. Never do we read of one man over all as a Lord over the flock and exalted over all except in the negative, in such verses as 2 Cor 11:12-20, etc)

    Though there are pastors as a spiritual gift to the church, there are also apostles, prophets, evangelist and teachers Ephesians 4:11
     
  8. Michael Collum

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    Yeah, the biblical elders were homegrown within the congregation, this having a seminary to elevate people unnecessarily is a trap.
     
  9. LoveofTruth

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    yes, and they buy their way into ministry and take a course and do a test and then they are "pastors". This is not how God gives gifts. It is a gift from God apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors and teachers, no man can buy or study his way into such a gift. Paul said he was an apostle not of men or by men, Galatians 1:1.

    They even call themselves "master of Divinity". But Jesus said call no man "Master" for one is your master even Christ.

    I feel for those who have gone down that long road to become "pastors". But the best thing they can do is step down from any exalted role over others, gather with believers in homes and wait on the Lord. Eventually they may be recognized as elders with others as all let the word of Christ dwell in them richly, and as they allow the word of Gods grace to build them up.
     
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    OH I see, yes, if your issue is with the modern minister being a speaker only and not a pastor. But there are counseling courses etc available, back in my day the minister received nothing of the sort in Seminary!
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

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    I think folks do not like change. We get to doing things a certain way so often and so much that anything else cannot be true. You really cannot say that the modern day church position can be defended with Scripture. For the church that is popular today cannot be seen within the Scriptures.

    "How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying." (1 Corinthians 14:26).

    Nowhere do we see in Scripture believers and unbelieves gathering in worship with alter calls later being made. A person cannot worship or truly praise God if they are an unbeliever or they have not accepted Christ yet. A person needs to repent and have a change of heart first. But the Pastor King will not have it any other way. The Pastor King speaks and everyone is to be silent. The Pastor King tells people when they can leave and or he may direct them to holds hands and or whatever he wants as a part of his church building. Note: The church is the body of Christ. Yet, is it not strange that people refer to empty buildings as churches. This lets us know that people have things mixed up. They need to get in God's Word and truly study what the Biblical church really is. They need to study how it functions according to Scripture and not what man and his traditions say.
     
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    Take for example the Lord's supper. If any man partakes of the Lord's supper in an unworthy man, they shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." (1 Corinthians 11:27).

    They drink damnation to themselves if they were to do so.

    "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." (1 Corinthians 11:29).

    Most in a church do not want to stand out, so they take of the bread and juice and thus they drink damnation to themselves.
    But this problem would not exist if believers simply gathered in their homes with believers only.
    So this is just one of the many problems with the modern day church.
    Also, another problem is that the Pastor King goes into financial debt trying to learn the Word of God.
    Yet, the Scriptures say,'

    "Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price." (Isaiah 55:1).

    The Word of God is free. We learn of the Scriptures not in the wisdom of men but by the power of God (i.e. the Spirit) (See 1 John 2:27).

    In addition, then there is the additional financial debt the Pastor King puts himself into with the building of a church building and parking lot.

    Jesus and His followers never told us to buy or build such a building so as to preach the gospel. Such a thing will only cause problems.
     
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    The main issue is with body life and ministry under Christ headship. All are to use their gifts and edify one another as Christ leads. We are not to have lords set up over the body that are exalted over all and who control everything and have supreme authority over all. True authority flows from Christ to the body from the head as we live and speak and do all things in Christ.

    Paul said in 1 Cor 12 that we cannot say to another I have no need of you. All are needed in the body of Christ.

    I showed just some of the aspects of a Christians gathering as all wait on the Lord who works in all believers.

    "Notice, that through Christ headship the whole body can edify one another, and not just rely on one man the Pastor. This should be allowed to happen every time the saints gather together in Christ and wait on the Lord.

    When the church comes together all can have something revealed to them and share it (1 Cor.14:30). They can also have a psalm, a doctrine, a tongue, a revelation and interpretation, (1 Cor.14:26); comfort and edify one another (1 Thess. 5:11); use all their gifts as they wait on God (Rom. 12:1-10); have a spiritual manifestation to profit all (1 Cor 12:7-); admonish one another (Rom. 15:14); teach one another (Col. 3:16); exhort one another, (Heb. 3:13); warn unruly (1Thess. 5:14); confess their faults one to one another (James 5:16); anoint the sick (James 5:14); prophesy to one another (1 Cor. 14:31); discipline erring brethren (1 Cor5:3-5, 6:1-6); pray for one another (James 5:?); lead in prayer and song (1 Cor. 14:15); have a psalm, hymn or spiritual song (Col. 3:16); any man can speak or minister as God leads (1 Peter 4:10,11). We must follow after Christ who will lead us in this way, and not follow after man-made programs and dead rituals and the exalted Pastor role that quench the Spirit."
     
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    This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the idea of a "pastor king."
     
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    Yes it does. He sets up the time and place and who is welcome. The Pastor king could simply have a gathering for believers only to partake of the Lord’s supper, but he doesn’t do that.
     
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    Sounds like you are drawing our attention to certain doings of a minority of pastors who are abusing their calling, that's all.
     
  17. LoveofTruth

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    A pastor King is reference to a man who is like a Lord over the flock and in control over others in supreme authority. It also refers to the OT type of Saul when the people said "give us a king"

    I commented on this also here,

    "“Give us a King”

    There is a story in the bible where God’s people said, “Give us a King, to judge us(1 Samuel 8:6). God allowed it, but told Samuel, “they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me that I should not reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7). God also told Samuel to warn them that the king would bring them into bondage, take their goods and use them for his glory (1 Samuel 8:11-19).

    Saul also had some of the Levites killed (1 Sam. 22:17,18). The Levites being a type of the priesthood of all believers. Similarly, as Saul had them killed and they could no longer minister, so the modern one man Pastor Lord also quenches the spirit in the body and hinders or cuts off the priesthood of all believers where they can no longer minister freely.

    Today, similar to the story of Saul, you can almost hear the people cry, “Give us a Pastor, like all the other churches”, especially when they are looking for a new one. But by doing so, they may be rejecting God from reigning over them in the gatherings."
     
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    One of the questions is, how are they called ? And how are they made pastors?.The modern idea is to buy their way into bible school take a pastoral course and do a exam then they are an "official"pastor and some go on to be called "Masters of Divinity" etc. These worldly titles and flattering titles and even the whole way they are made pastors is not the biblical way. God gives gifts to men, no man can buy it or study enough to be in that gift. Is is a spiritual gift from God.

    Many of the so called "pastors" today may not have such a gift even if they spent money to go to a school and study and had other men give them a certificate etc.

    And Jesus said call no man master, for one is your master even Christ. Yet they seem to have no problem calling themselves masters. Master means a guide. But jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. And it is God who works in us to will and to do and to make us perfect unto EVERY good work.
     
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    Okay, but the part in Jason's post about receiving Holy Communion unworthily didn't seem to have anything in particular to do with the principle you're referring to here.
     
  20. Albion

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    Well, I just find that POV to be amusing. Of course you're making a gross generalization. Some churches require a pastor to have attended seminary (but not to have earned a Master's degree), and many don't require any such education at all.

    On top of that, the talk about "buying" one's way into seminary, "doing a [sic] exam," and so on reads exactly like you have a personal grievance and this is not actually about a pressing theological concern for Christians generally.

    You're offended at the idea of a Master's degree, I think you mean.

    How many pastors have such a degree, I wonder? Not many. But then, you might also be opposed to Bachelor's degrees if the pastor is married or a Doctorate if he doesn't practice medicine. (?)
     
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