Adam ?

[Aman777]

Somebody told me Christ was born of a virgin because he was God incarnate. What would you say?

Amen. Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 

[DamianWarS]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

God created Adam with limits, as a finite being. Regardless how "best" of specimen he was because he was not God he would be less than perfect.

 

[Sammy-San]

Amen. Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

He implied it wasn't neccesarily to keep Christ sinless.

 

[Ron Gurley]

OP: Q1: 'Man was created in the (SPIRITUAL) image of God ...

A1: Don't stop there.

Genesis 1 (NASB)
26 Then God (elohim = plural -PRE EXISTING ONE) said, “Let Us make man in Our (spiritual) image, according to Our (character) likeness....

The GODHEAD is PURE AND PERFECT SPIRIT...only

John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Man has Body + Soul + SPIRIT.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Q2...so man and God are ONE and perfectly created.

A2: False logic and UN-Scriptural !!

Man is IMPERFECT with "free will" to reject God.

Romans 3:10
as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;

Romans 3:....Justification by Faith
21 But now apart from the (Mosaic) Law the righteousness of God has been manifested,
being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.

Q3: However, the flesh of man is born of Lucifer and

A3: FALSE: All human flesh / homo sapiens on planet earth can be traced to A&E in Eden.
Lucifer is a fallen spirit being/angel and begat no human.

Q4: all flesh worships the beast today

A4: FALSE. I do NOT!!
The "Beast" is a spirit being aka the "anti-christ".

Rev.: "666"...name of a MAN!!

Q5 so all flesh will perish during this short temporary generations.

A5: Huh??

Q6: In the next generation, all the bodies of men and beasts and every other image will be formed from the information called Christ within their created minds. Never again will man be deceived by images that appear "good and evil".

A6: Huh??

 

[Ron Gurley]

Post #1078: Response

CLEANSED is not spiritually baptized. It's a baptism with WATER.
....the WATER cleansing is only temporary and corruption abounds.

WRONG!! Forgiveness of sin and "CLEANSING" is a benefit of salvation purchased by the blood of Jesus the Divine Messiah.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hebrews 9:14
how much more will the blood of Christ,
who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:22
And according to the Law, one may almost say,
all things are cleansed with blood, and
without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

1 John 1:7
but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

 

[Aman777]

God created Adam with limits, as a finite being.

Not so, since God (Elohim-The Trinity) always creates eternally. Lord God/Jesus formed Adam of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Jesus ALWAYS forms temporarily. That is WHY mankind MUST be born by God the Trinity.

God the Trinity "created" Adam in God's Image or Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-5 Adam and Eve lived for 930 years AFTER they were born again Spiritually and then left this world to live forever with Jesus. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

He implied it wasn't neccesarily to keep Christ sinless.

Sure it was, since IF there was any other way Jesus would not have had to die. Jesus IS God physically. If He had sinned, we would all be lost. Amen?

 

[Sammy-San]

Sure it was, since IF there was any other way Jesus would not have had to die. Jesus IS God physically. If He had sinned, we would all be lost. Amen?

God cannot sin. So the virgin birth was to keep God from his own judgement?

 

[DamianWarS]

Not so, since God (Elohim-The Trinity) always creates eternally. Lord God/Jesus formed Adam of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Jesus ALWAYS forms temporarily. That is WHY mankind MUST be born by God the Trinity.

God the Trinity "created" Adam in God's Image or Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-5 Adam and Eve lived for 930 years AFTER they were born again Spiritually and then left this world to live forever with Jesus. Amen?

Adam was not created as God's equal and he is separate from God. Whatever Adam was he was less than God thus he had limits and finite characteristics.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Not so, since God (Elohim-The Trinity) always creates eternally. Lord God/Jesus formed Adam of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7 Jesus ALWAYS forms temporarily. That is WHY mankind MUST be born by God the Trinity.

God the Trinity "created" Adam in God's Image or Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain killed Abel. Genesis 5:1-5 Adam and Eve lived for 930 years AFTER they were born again Spiritually and then left this world to live forever with Jesus. Amen?

Actually, Adam fell short by 70 years of the Day of the LORD (is as a thousand years)...There are two tellings of creation in scripture. The first telling, their name was Adam and every tree was given for meat with no garden mentioned. Then in the second telling, they became two after a deep slumber (Adam naming the second one) and a garden planted with a tree that is forbidden for eating (a law)...it is a pattern of twos found throughout scripture.

Adam eats of a tree of good and evil, and has two sons, one good and one evil. A picture of the duality within...two sons...carnal/spiritual. The spirit of Christ was from the beginning and the first word God spoke was let there be light. The darkness being that which we cannot (yet) 'see'/perceive as it relates to the truth that is in us (being revealed...renewing of the mind) as Paul said we have the"mind of Christ"and "Christ in you, the hope of glory".

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Adam was not created as God's equal and he is separate from God. Whatever Adam was he was less than God thus he had limits and finite characteristics.

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:6

As long as we perceive the spirit as something outside of our very being, we are not believing what God has said...We are a son (no gender implied) as much as Jesus (firstborn among many brethren) and "be ye perfect as your heavenly father is perfect"...it has everything to do with perception as in the question God asked of Adam, "Where art thou?" For as Jesus said the kingdom is within you, not an over here or over there by observation of the five senses. It is the spiritual truth of our inner being for the flesh profits nothing. We are the temple not made with human hands...the dwelling place of God...and God's glory fills the temple...when we can 'see'/perceive with singleness of eye.

The same spirit that rose Jesus from the grave lives in you...as Paul said, "Christ in you, the hope of glory"...faith brings us full circle back to the beginning...Alpha and Omega, First and Last Adam, The beginning and the end, as it relates to the journey of our soul/process taking place within.

 

[Aman777]

Adam was not created as God's equal and he is separate from God.

When Adam was "created by God the Trinity", or born again Spiritually in Christ, Adam became an immortal son of God, made by Jesus on the 3rd Day Gen 2:7, but created eternally IN God Spiritually and no longer separated from God the Father Son and Holy Spirit. It takes the agreement of the Trinity (God) to create a New Creature in Christ. Gen 1:26 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16

Whatever Adam was he was less than God thus he had limits and finite characteristics.

Of course, since Adam was made from the contaminated air, dust and water God created in the beginning. Remember that darkness or death was upon everything God would made physically apart from Himself. Gen 1:2 That is WHY Jesus was crucified in God's mind before the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8 Today, Adam is in Christ, an immortal being, exactly as God knew before He began His Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Actually, Adam fell short by 70 years of the Day of the LORD (is as a thousand years)...There are two tellings of creation in scripture. The first telling, their name was Adam and every tree was given for meat with no garden mentioned. Then in the second telling, they became two after a deep slumber (Adam naming the second one) and a garden planted with a tree that is forbidden for eating (a law)...it is a pattern of twos found throughout scripture.

Adam was made before the beginning of our Cosmos. Gen 2:7 He lived for billions of years with Jesus, His Creator. Adam watched as the first Stars of our Cosmos (13.8 billion years ago) lighted up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Adam watched as every living creature that moves, came forth from water on the 5th Day/Age. Gen 1:21 Adam watched as Jesus made the common ancestors or beasts of the earth and birds, from the ground and Adam named them. Gen 2:19

Adam provided the rib which Jesus fashioned into Eve after all the other living creatures were made. Gen 2:22 Adam sinned and he and Eve were cast from the Garden and Cain killed Abel. THEN Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually by The Trinity. Gen 5:1-2 Adam lived for 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born again in Christ Spiritually. Gen 5:5

Adam eats of a tree of good and evil, and has two sons, one good and one evil. A picture of the duality within...two sons...carnal/spiritual. The spirit of Christ was from the beginning and the first word God spoke was let there be light. The darkness being that which we cannot (yet) 'see'/perceive as it relates to the truth that is in us (being revealed...renewing of the mind) as Paul said we have the"mind of Christ"and "Christ in you, the hope of glory".

Adam disobeyed because of his love for Eve. Remember that she ate first, which means she lost her glory/brightness which surrounded her. Adam ate to be like her, not realizing that he was condemning all Humans to death on this lost Earth.

Darkness/Death was upon everything God created physically in the beginning. It's because anything apart from God is subject to death. God gave us our intelligence, which is like His, Gen 3:22 through Adam, the firstborn of Humanity. Only the descendants of Adam are Human. That's God's Truth. Amen?

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

Adam was made before the beginning of our Cosmos. Gen 2:7 He lived for billions of years with Jesus, His Creator. Adam watched as the first Stars of our Cosmos (13.8 billion years ago) lighted up on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 Adam watched as every living creature that moves, came forth from water on the 5th Day/Age. Gen 1:21 Adam watched as Jesus made the common ancestors or beasts of the earth and birds, from the ground and Adam named them. Gen 2:19

Adam provided the rib which Jesus fashioned into Eve after all the other living creatures were made. Gen 2:22 Adam sinned and he and Eve were cast from the Garden and Cain killed Abel. THEN Adam and Eve were born again Spiritually by The Trinity. Gen 5:1-2 Adam lived for 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born again in Christ Spiritually. Gen 5:5



Adam disobeyed because of his love for Eve. Remember that she ate first, which means she lost her glory/brightness which surrounded her. Adam ate to be like her, not realizing that he was condemning all Humans to death on this lost Earth.

Darkness/Death was upon everything God created physically in the beginning. It's because anything apart from God is subject to death. God gave us our intelligence, which is like His, Gen 3:22 through Adam, the firstborn of Humanity. Only the descendants of Adam are Human. That's God's Truth. Amen?

Yes, we have always been...spiritually speaking. The end of our faith takes us full circle (back) to the beginning that has no end.

 

[Ken Rank]

Would you say submission is a pre fall thing?
Somebody told me Christ was born of a virgin because he was God incarnate. What would you say?

I believe messiah was God in the flesh and do not believe anyone or anything else could have reversed the curse of death passed on to us. The one who could reverse the curse had to have no sin... and since all men are born into sin, only God (and unfallen angels) are without sin... then man couldn't do this. God had already declared HIMSELF to be the only Savior... and so I believe He came in human form.

As for your submission question... I am not positive what you are asking. However, if you are asking what I think you are... then it's a great question and point because I think it was in our nature to submit to God before the fall and after, we sort of bowed before ourselves, made ourselves "Lord" instead of God. A friend paints it this way.... Adam was KIND OF LIKE plugged into God. God was Adam's source for all things... God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged and now Adam had to CHOOSE for himself between good and evil and we have been choosing, often poorly, ever since. When we come in faith it is kind of like us plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good of evil for us.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

I believe messiah was God in the flesh and do not believe anyone or anything else could have reversed the curse of death passed on to us. The one who could reverse the curse had to have no sin... and since all men are born into sin, only God (and unfallen angels) are without sin... then man couldn't do this. God had already declared HIMSELF to be the only Savior... and so I believe He came in human form.

As for your submission question... I am not positive what you are asking. However, if you are asking what I think you are... then it's a great question and point because I think it was in our nature to submit to God before the fall and after, we sort of bowed before ourselves, made ourselves "Lord" instead of God. A friend paints it this way.... Adam was KIND OF LIKE plugged into God. God was Adam's source for all things... God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged and now Adam had to CHOOSE for himself between good and evil and we have been choosing, often poorly, ever since. When we come in faith it is kind of like us plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good of evil for us.

The perception of who we are as a son is exclusively a truth only the father as God can reveal in us, no less than it was this for Jesus...being The Way...for we are all "considered sheep to be slaughtered"...and to 'see'/perceive, we must be made blind...

John 9:39 Then Jesus declared, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind. 40 Some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard this, and they asked Him, “Are we blind too? 41 If you were blind,” Jesus replied, “you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

When it is a truth that is less than us (perceived lack) or something that doesn't flow out of us, God causes us to wander in the wilderness or fall into a deep sleep...When we awaken, we can 'see' that God fills all in all...Or that His glory fills the temple (we being the temple not made with human hands)...God's glory is our garment (wedding) that covers our nakedness. In the garden, God made coverings of skin for Adam and his wife...and they were destined to labour in the field for their bread, though the promise to enter His rest remains. As Paul said, "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is what the narrative in the Bible be about...knowing about God is totally different than knowing intimately...though nothing is out of order, "every man in his own order"...

 

[Sammy-San]

I believe messiah was God in the flesh and do not believe anyone or anything else could have reversed the curse of death passed on to us. The one who could reverse the curse had to have no sin... and since all men are born into sin, only God (and unfallen angels) are without sin... then man couldn't do this. God had already declared HIMSELF to be the only Savior... and so I believe He came in human form.

As for your submission question... I am not positive what you are asking. However, if you are asking what I think you are... then it's a great question and point because I think it was in our nature to submit to God before the fall and after, we sort of bowed before ourselves, made ourselves "Lord" instead of God. A friend paints it this way.... Adam was KIND OF LIKE plugged into God. God was Adam's source for all things... God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged and now Adam had to CHOOSE for himself between good and evil and we have been choosing, often poorly, ever since. When we come in faith it is kind of like us plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good of evil for us.

Why exactly don't women transmit the curse? That is interesting-a sinner who doesnt pass down sin and could have a sinless descendant.

And I meant submission as in marriage.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

God would determine Adam's path and would always determine for Adam what was "good" and what was not. When Adam sinned it was "as if" he unplugged.........

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:31


And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Gen 3:9-12


Did God tell the man he was naked? Not good? ...must have something to do with eating...

 

[Aman777]

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:31


And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Gen 3:9-12


Did God tell the man he was naked? Not good? ...must have something to do with eating...

You have confused the invisible God with God's Son, Lord God-YHWH/Jesus. The following verse shows your error:

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

This is confirmed by: 1Jo 4:12

 

[Ken Rank]

Why exactly don't women transmit the curse? That is interesting-a sinner who doesnt pass down sin and could have a sinless descendant.

Sin entered the world by a man not by a woman. When Chavah (Eve) ate, the process of decay leading to death was no passed on to all of creation. But when Adam sinned, the process of decay leading to death did begin... in him and in ALL of creation. (consider Romans 5:12-21 and also Romans 8:22)

And I meant submission as in marriage.

Probably... Adam was made first, then Eve was made for Adam. While I don't believe women were made for men to rule... I do believe there was an authority structure in place by God. God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of man, man is the head of women... according to Paul.