Lord's Supper - Wine or Grape Juice?

[Hank77]

No they are not since all the other times He said in 3 days or on the 3rd day with no mention of nights. The 3 days and nights were used as an example regarding Yonah. The sign was NOT a dead man in the grave (or in a fish) for 3 days, it was that that dead man rose! All dead men are in a grave for 3 days.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You are still confused more than ever. He said he rose Sunday while it was still NIGHT-TIME! How do you get 3 pm out of that??? It is getting frustrating talking to you because you just don't know what you are talking about.

What is frustrating is that you cant or wont read. Here is a direct quote from that link:
"Jesus rises within the closed tomb on the Saturday Sabbath at 3:00PM (i.e. He is was in the Heart of the Earth for exactly 72 hours from the point of His death)."
So who is the one confused??

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Any proof they had / used non alcoholic wine?

The last supper was a significant event and held lots of symbolism. The bread had to be unleavened to represent the fact there was no sin (leaven) in Him. The unfermented juice was necessary to represent Christs pure life... blood that was unblemished to be a worthy sacrifice on the cross.

 

[1stcenturylady]

What is frustrating is that you cant or wont read. Here is a direct quote from that link:
"Jesus rises within the closed tomb on the Saturday Sabbath at 3:00PM (i.e. He is was in the Heart of the Earth for exactly 72 hours from the point of His death)."
So who is the one confused??

Obviously, I am. I missed that part and don't agree with it, and didn't notice that he contradicted himself. What I did agree with was that the Passover meal was Tuesday night. And what I said in my list was that He rose after sundown Saturday night.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Obviously, I am. I missed that part and don't agree with it. What I did agree with was that the Passover meal was Tuesday night. And what I said in my list was that He rose after sundown Saturday night.

I agree it was after sundown. However, if you read the account of the 2 witnesses on the road to Emmaus, you will quickly see that there is NO way that He died on Wednesday.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There's no reason to think that he couldn't do that. He certainly went against other rules and regulations that governed Hebrew practices.

About as likely as Him gnawing on a porkchop...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The last supper was a significant event and held lots of symbolism. The bread had to be unleavened to represent the fact there was no sin (leaven) in Him. The unfermented juice was necessary to represent Christs pure life... blood that was unblemished to be a worthy sacrifice on the cross.

It is interesting that from the beginning, LEAVENED bread was used in the Church (for a number of reasons). Rome changed it in the 9th Century and the Protestants went the same way later.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It is interesting that from the beginning, LEAVENED bread was used in the Church (for a number of reasons). Rome changed it in the 9th Century and the Protestants went the same way later.

I know leaven is used in seemingly contradictory ways in scripture but I think this scripture puts it in it's proper context.

Exodus 23:18
Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread;

 

[1stcenturylady]

I agree it was after sundown. However, if you read the account of the 2 witnesses on the road to Emmaus, you will quickly see that there is NO way that He died on Wednesday.

But no way He died on Friday either. How do you explain that?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know leaven is used in seemingly contradictory ways in scripture but I think this scripture puts it in it's proper context.

Exodus 23:18
Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread;

In Scripture the Greek term "artos" is used, not "azymous"...

 

[Freedom~Sprite]

I still call revisionist history until shown a scholarly source that is more than speculation about what was served at Jesus' Last Supper.

Wine.
Just as when Jesus at the wedding at Cana turned casks of water into wine. It would have been unheard of in his time for there not to be wine at a wedding.
The Bible doesn't condemn consuming alcohol. It condemns becoming a drunkard and over indulgence of alcohol.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

But no way He died on Friday either. How do you explain that?

Of course He died on Friday, the Scriptures make that very clear, even with 2 witnesses.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Of course He died on Friday, the Scriptures make that very clear, even with 2 witnesses.

I'm talking about your reference to the the account on the Emmaus Road. How can it be Friday, and not Wednesday or Thursday. Remember, the 15th is a High Sabbath, and can be any day of the week. There is a preparation day before it.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The blood of bulls and goats.

Heb 10:4 for it is impossible for blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Are you arguing that Jesus and the disciples drank actual human blood??

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

In Scripture the Greek term "artos" is used, not "azymous"...

Believe as you wish...

 

[1stcenturylady]

It is interesting that from the beginning, LEAVENED bread was used in the Church (for a number of reasons). Rome changed it in the 9th Century and the Protestants went the same way later.

Does the Eastern Orthodox use leavened bread? Personally, I won't.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm talking about your reference to the the account on the Emmaus Road. How can it be Friday, and not Wednesday or Thursday. Remember, the 15th is a High Sabbath, and can be any day of the week. There is a preparation day before it.

The day they were walking with Yeshua was on the 1st day of the week, the day He rose from the dead, Sunday. They said that today (Sunday) was the 3rd day since those events occurred. Count backwards and there is no day zero...Sunday is day 3, Saturday is day 2 and Friday is the day all those events occurred...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Does the Eastern Orthodox use leavened bread? Personally, I won't.

For almost 2000 years...yes!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Believe as you wish...

It is not as I wish, it is what the Scriptures say...

 

[Hank77]

Are you arguing that Jesus and the disciples drank actual human blood??